The masks are debilitating. No doubt. Step outside and exercise... Now, run another lap without the mask. I think you'll accept that it's easier to function without your face smothered;
I jogged 2 miles in a mask this past week. It was slightly weird. It had no impact on my breathing.
Why the FUCK did you do that?
Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:03 am
by lucky
I went in to a shop last week and for the first time I put on a mask, within seconds I felt I couldn't breath properly and started sweating and the put the mask under my nose. Tried putting it on a few times after but wont be doing it again unless forced to and even then would probably walk away.
The masks are debilitating. No doubt. Step outside and exercise... Now, run another lap without the mask. I think you'll accept that it's easier to function without your face smothered;
I jogged 2 miles in a mask this past week. It was slightly weird. It had no impact on my breathing.
Why the FUCK did you do that?
Yeah, who in their right mind goes jogging?
Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:54 pm
by liminalOyster
Thanks, DrEvil for making me laugh instead of writing something reactive. I like to jog. I deeply understand why some people hate it, also.
I just drove by the governors house in my town and saw a bunch of unmasked yahoos protesting our current mask mandate, We have the highest rate of COVID per capita in our state. And we have a wildly disproportionate number of Black people dying due to comorbid chronic illness. And we have utterly anemic prevention measures and moving in on a 3% infection rate in the whole state. I wear a mask because I don't know enough (and don't believe the scientific community does either) to feel comfortable with exposure, which is almost certain when jogging for two miles in a city of unmasked people.
Many people who have worked in certain areas of art, medicine, dentistry, veterinary medicine, technology, contracting or science have worn masks for hours at a time. Many of those masks are waaaaaaaaaay more uncomfortable than N95, KN95 or cloth masks and worn for much longer. I sincerely sympathize with those for whom they are anxiety provoking and thus lead to a feeling of not being able to breath, but it's just a feeling, assuming you're wearing a functioning mask. I have asthma by the way.
Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:58 pm
by norton ash
Yeah, I forgot to take mine off walking home after shopping and was annoyed because I had to put the groceries down and settle the dog to take the fucker off. Not necessary for outdoors, unless it's crowded sidewalks.
Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:48 pm
by DrEvil
liminalOyster » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:54 pm wrote:Thanks, DrEvil for making me laugh instead of writing something reactive. I like to jog. I deeply understand why some people hate it, also.
I just drove by the governors house in my town and saw a bunch of unmasked yahoos protesting our current mask mandate, We have the highest rate of COVID per capita in our state. And we have a wildly disproportionate number of Black people dying due to comorbid chronic illness. And we have utterly anemic prevention measures and moving in on a 3% infection rate in the whole state. I wear a mask because I don't know enough (and don't believe the scientific community does either) to feel comfortable with exposure, which is almost certain when jogging for two miles in a city of unmasked people.
Many people who have worked in certain areas of art, medicine, dentistry, veterinary medicine, technology, contracting or science have worn masks for hours at a time. Many of those masks are waaaaaaaaaay more uncomfortable than N95, KN95 or cloth masks and worn for much longer. I sincerely sympathize with those for whom they are anxiety provoking and thus lead to a feeling of not being able to breath, but it's just a feeling, assuming you're wearing a functioning mask. I have asthma by the way.
Yeah, medical personnel wear masks all the time. You would think they of all people would have figured it out by now if there were any serious issues with them.
As you say, we just don't know enough about it yet, so erring on the side of caution is the sensible thing to do. This certainly doesn't make me any more optimistic (link to paper at source):
Post-infection cardiac damage found in 78% of recovering COVID19 patients
That's 78% of a cohort, average age 49, of whom 67% had recovered at home (ie. disease was not categorized as severe enough to need hospitalization). Cohort was normalized with respect to other risk factors relative to uninfected patients. Diagnosis by MRI. Looks reasonably solid, at first glance, publication in JAMA Cardiol. (Journal of the American Medical Association, cardiology). Study coordinated via a German hospital.
Reason for "no comment necessary" is that this suggests most COVID19 survivors—including mild disease survivors—suffer cardiac damage.
You don't want to get this virus.
Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:51 pm
by Belligerent Savant
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The body has great capacity to heal. Long-term damage cannot be ascertained at this time. Let's see what the findings are 12-18 months after initial symptoms. And then, 2 years+ (if such things can be reliably determined in non-controlled settings).
Pneumonia can also have lasting damage, as can a severe flu. If you're younger, there's greater probability of full recovery with a proper regimen/diet. If you're older, as with any other illness, the potential for chronic traits is more likely, particularly if already enduring other ailments (comorbidities).
Such is life. As it has been from the onset.
It may well be more risky out there in the coming years, unfortunately. But i for one will not be driven by fear.
The body has great capacity to heal. Long-term damage cannot be ascertained at this time. Let's see what the findings are 12-18 months after initial symptoms. And then, 2 years+ (if such things can be reliably determined in non-controlled settings).
Pneumonia can also have lasting damage, as can a severe flu. If you're younger, there's greater probability of full recovery with a proper regimen/diet. If you're older, as with any other illness, the potential for chronic traits is more likely, particularly if already enduring other ailments (comorbidities).
Such is life. As it has been from the onset.
It may well be more risky out there in the coming years, unfortunately. But i for one will not be driven by fear.
I love you and your posts BS, but I always feel the need to respond when people say this thing about fear. I respect and share the importance of not living in fear, but I'm not personally driven by fear but the bigger question of risk vs danger. Danger is beyond my control and risk is a field of choices.
I don't expect to change your mind on this but I would humbly/friendly at least point you to some of the hard work being done by "longcovid" survivors at this time. A friend who is a multi-decade cardiologist (who is super hip to complementary medicine, diet, lifestyle, etc) is very very concerned about the new cardiac findings btw.
Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:42 pm
by Belligerent Savant
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All salient points to raise, Liminal. Understanding risks -- assessing and making informed decisions based on such understandings -- help lessen fear.
(Not mutually exclusive, in other words).
Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:17 pm
by Belligerent Savant
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CDC director acknowledges hospitals have a monetary incentive to overcount coronavirus deaths
