Hip Hop and Conspiracy Theory

Wombaticus Rex · Post by **Wombaticus Rex** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:10 pm

^^Thanks for that!

Kinda sad to see the optimism for Shade 45...so much for that!

Percival · Post by **Percival** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:15 pm

I have read all of Malachi Z York-El's stuff. He is out there. I watch a lot of sports and I notice all the major sports figures like Kobe and Lebron etc all do that Jay-Z hand pyramid sign too.

Maddy · Post by **Maddy** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:26 pm

Tangent, perhaps.

Kohanim or Cohanim Hands – Priestly Blessing

On Jewish tombstones you will sometimes see a symbol showing two hands arranged for the Priestly Blessing like the example here. This is a symbol of the Kohen or Cohen (Hebrew for priest). The plural form is Kohanim or Cohanim. Kohanim are assumed to be direct male descendants of Aaron, who was the first Kohen and the brother of Moses. Some Jewish surnames frequently associated with this symbol are Conn or Cohn (Kohn), Cahn (Kahn), and Cohen (Kohen), but you will find the symbol on the grave markers of people with other surnames. Today families can sometimes verify a priestly lineage from the tombstones of ancestors that have this symbol.

lightningBugout · Post by **lightningBugout** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:32 pm

Seems like a rather huge oversight to not talk about the other, probably more predominant reason for uses of Egyptian symbology in hip-hop -- recall the intense afrocentric movement in hip-hop in the late 1980's and early 1990s? X-Clan and Frances Cress Welsing's "Cress Theory of Color-Confrontation" in which whitey is insecure about his lack of pigmentation and "edutainment" and alla that. Sister Souljah, the first 4 or so PE records, even Jungle Brothers and lots of the Native Tongues records.

Not to say Jay Z's not a *corporate* shill of the highest order however.

Wombaticus Rex · Post by **Wombaticus Rex** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:05 pm

lightningBugout wrote:Seems like a rather huge oversight to not talk about the other, probably more predominant reason for uses of Egyptian symbology in hip-hop -- recall the intense afrocentric movement in hip-hop in the late 1980's and early 1990s?

Amen and absolutely. I'm also interested -- perhaps this is tangential? -- in how often the critiques and exposes of Jay-Z's Masonic agenda and the Illuminati/NWO's role in hip hop has a strong homophobic undertone. They're very concerned about "black masculinity" being diluted by "NWO puppets" like Dennis Rodman and Will Smith.

lightningBugout · Post by **lightningBugout** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:17 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote: I'm also interested -- perhaps this is tangential? -- in how often the critiques and exposes of Jay-Z's Masonic agenda and the Illuminati/NWO's role in hip hop has a strong homophobic undertone. They're very concerned about "black masculinity" being diluted by "NWO puppets" like Dennis Rodman and Will Smith.

Amen and absolutely right back at ya. I don't think that is a tangent at all. Same basic meme at play with the Larry Sinclair Obama smear - one that was successful, so far as I could see, only among a crowd that enjoyed the most cartoonish NWO type CT.

psynapz · Post by **psynapz** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:27 pm

Two words: Public fuckin Enemy. They smelled a New Whirl Odor before it even started simmering.

Public Enemy: proof that you don't have to be a NWO tool to dress exactly like one:

From "He Got Game":

[Flavor Flav - over top of choir]
Come on sing it
Sing it again y'all come on
Hey!
He-hey!!!
Aiyo, these are some serious times that we're livin in G
And a new world order is about to begin, y'knowhutI'msayin?
Now the question is - are you ready, for the real revolution
which is the evolution of the mind?
If you seek then you shall find that we all come from the divine
You dig what I'm sayin?
Now if you take heed to the words of wisdom
that are written on the walls of life
then universally, we will stand and divided we will fall
because love conquers all, you understand what I'm sayin?
This is a call to all you sleepin souls
Wake up and take control of your own cipher
And be on the lookout for the spirit snipers
tryin to steal your light, y'knowhutI'msayin?
Look within-side yourself, for peace
Give thanks, live life and release
You dig me? You got me?

Also, someone mentioned Paris (their producer) in passing here... When I heard "What Would You Do?" on RI Radio, I went right down to the locally-owned music store and special-ordered the album by cash. Holy damn, it's industrial-strength CT-culture radicalization, referring to "devil state mind control / all about the battle for your body, mind and soul". It's piss-you-off music of the highest order.

He reiterates throughout the album the notion of "FUCK PEACE"! (this is waar, nigga!) which I have a difficult time accepting as the best message to spread out there. Paris seems convinced that the only way out of this mess is straight through the shit and to mean business like our lives depend on it because they do. Walking away from the system and encouraging others to do the same is not in Paris' action plan. "I hope you know the time, brotha, cuz it's late!"

While we're on the topic, even though it probably doesn't qualify as hip-hop, Stephen Marley's title track off of Mind Control is, of course, worth a mention... "Grand Mastaaaa, let the people gooo!"

Wombaticus Rex · Post by **Wombaticus Rex** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:14 pm

psynapz wrote:
Also, someone mentioned Paris (their producer) in passing here...

I had no idea Paris was part of Bomb Squad. Damn.

American Dream · Post by **American Dream** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:21 pm

Public Enemy's Son of a Bush is all the way there!

lightningBugout · Post by **lightningBugout** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:39 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
psynapz wrote:
Also, someone mentioned Paris (their producer) in passing here...
I had no idea Paris was part of Bomb Squad. Damn.

He was? Don't remember that and no mention in his WP article. Just sayin'.

His first record was the bomb, however. I thought he lost some style when he got a bit more activist but then WP reminded me how his label dropped him due to incendiary anti-bush themes. Scarface Groove is still a hot fucking track. The first two PE albums were so hot they couldn't live up to them again, I think. Like the singles on Fear of a Black Planet were all great but the album didn't hold itself together.

Ironically I spent this week listening to the first Gravediggaz record due their (questionable) tagging as "horrorcore." That record was dope.

And surprised to see no mention of Biggie's death at the hands of the LAPD on a thread about hip hop and CT.

Wombaticus Rex · Post by **Wombaticus Rex** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:21 pm

^^He was not, actually, although he did bring in PE personnel for an album called Rebirth of a Nation.

IanEye · Post by **IanEye** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:01 pm

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§ê¢rê†§ · Post by **§ê¢rê†§** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:16 am

wombaticus rex wrote:Hump Jones is a trojan horse, hence the vulgarity.

If I could only play one track for people, this would be that, so I uploaded it this morning:

http://wombaticusrex.bandcamp.com/track/i-see

I could never really get into hump jones (edit: although I enjoyed reading the Hump Jones blog when you were writing it), but I really dig this track. First time I've heard a Hakim Bey sample in a track, it works. Seems like you are still polishing this track up, but it is good.

Uncle $cam · Post by **Uncle $cam** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:43 am

I could never really get into hump jones (edit: although I enjoyed reading the Hump Jones blog when you were writing it), but I really dig this track. First time I've heard a Hakim Bey sample in a track, it works.

Indeed... out here in the Pacific Northwest hip-hop, it'd fit right in...
From the likes of, Blue Scholars etc... but it's becoming increasingly hard for me personally to find a balanced combo of good music along w/ intelligent lyrics. I've mostly gone to instrumental hip hop w/emphasis on beats....

http://ask.metafilter.com/134223/In-search-of-beats

Bushwick, motherfucking Bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya2YTC8RqrA

My Mind Playing Tricks On Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KutXyPEEbQs

old skool...lol

American Dream · Post by **American Dream** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:53 am

National Public Radio covers Jay-Z, The Nation of Gods and Earths and etc., featuring Mitch Horowitz:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =112998783

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