Obsama: Sacrifice/Deification/Unification

[8bitagent]

Damn this thread has blown my noodle...these are definitely the topics I miss here.

Language and interpretation is so important. There's a reason Fox News uses "Usama", even though since I've been reading about bin Laden since 1998 it's been "Osama" with other news sites.
We've been told "Angelic" or Adaimic original language has an almost comedic double meaning twist to it. Indeed, Unicorn can become "Unique Horn".
Didn't Giffords shooter Loughner talk excessively about programming language? Words have so many meanings...doesn't Mormon mean "gates of hell" or something in Chinese?

Words are powerful. Whether you're a protege of Edward Bernays, an adept in NLP courses, hypnosis and trigger programming or doing research on hate radio that helped lead to the Rwandan genocide.
Before the book series Twilight got mega huge, parapolitical circles talked of "Twilight Language".

If the true agenda of the controllers is feeding off emotional energy and other esoterica beyond mere oil grabs and Pax Americana...and if events like 9/11, Obama's win night and Obama's "defeat" of Osama elicited mass global transformative emotion...than I find it no coincidence both Obama and Osama arrived on the center stage to play their parts perfectly in this narrative.

Very few people, broadcaster or average person, is immune from the Osama/Obama faux paus. Why is that? Is this by design, some crazy sigil magick of words?
If we were hit over the head for a decade with "OSAMA! He's the devil, be afraid", switching to "OBAMA! He's the lightbringer, he's our savior"...then it makes sense that eventually these two polarizing figures
would dance at midnight, and their stories would collide and mingle. "OBAMA GETS OSAMA" many headlines read.

The ancients, gnostics, Egyptians and Iraqi Yazidis all believe in duality. God/Devil. Male/Female duality. The hexagram represents this. The WTC Towers represented male/female.

If Obama and Osama are meant to be two towers or beacons that are meant to absorb extreme emotions of hate, love, fear...than I have no doubt their names are not coincidence and represent a "mimetic mystical" dichotomy(or recipe) Now someone will ask "I believe in may far out conspiracies, but how could the controllers script this narrative of Obama/Osama decades ago and bring them on a path that leads to this very moment?" I don't know, but the universe works in mysterious ways:)
Hell though...I saw some of the tone and words used in the Obama/Osama death thread, and I sadly see how I too get caught up in the love/hate thing of emotions. It seems by design that we hate Obama(for different reasons) as many do Osama. Obama/Osama. Osama/Obama. I genuinely don't think these two men had/have any idea what their true purpose is. Build me up, break me down.

I could through in some Jo'Camp and Jung in there, with archtypes and all that. Wasnt Osama the Rambo movie era lawrence of Arabia mythical good guy riding on his white horse to valiantly ward off the evil commie bastards...before turning into an evil super villain?

There's a very strong birth/death, sun/twin feeling about this Obama/Osama era we're experiencing. Right when Birtherism died with the Lion King movie clip and Obama's yuck yuck with Trump, in comes Death.

...hey! Who knew Saturday Night Live writers would help usher in the apocalypse?

[wintler2]

Thats a trip, Plutonia, and i'm not sure if or where i've arrived. Thanks for the ticket, but i wont claim to make sense until i get my bearings. In the meanwhile i'm strongly reminded of the game Mafia. Its a tidy little exercise in scapegoating that eventually results in a highly cynical attitudes to group think, because if play enough games everybody gets a turn being one of the scapegoats unjustly lynched by 'good' townsfolk. Its a remarkable game too for the rapid escalation in sophistication of deceits, as all players manouver to make someone else the scapegoat, almost as if it were second nature..

[Feilan]

doesn't Mormon mean "gates of hell" or something in Chinese?

... not quite - men (2nd tone) is 'gate' -> 门
... gui men guan - 鬼门关 。。。 gui means ghost ... guan is usually the verb to close or shut, also to shut in or lock up ... so, the part which sounds a lot like 'mormon' is 'men guan' which translates as closed gate or 'close gate' ...

^^ that was pretty dorky of me *but* because Chinese is my 2nd language of choice I couldn't resist. I learned something too! I didn't know how to say/write 'gates of hell' and I think we can all agree how necessary that is these days

anyway. more from this corner for connecting Rene Girard with all of this obsama bizness ... the cbc link plutonia provided is really rich and I heartily encourage anyone interested to check it out. They've replayed that series at least twice I believe and I was fortunate to catch it on both occassions...
Here's the book version:

[Plutonia]

Language and interpretation is so important. There's a reason Fox News uses "Usama", even though since I've been reading about bin Laden since 1998 it's been "Osama" with other news sites.

He's not talking about anything as puny as language 8bit, he's saying that because we imitate each other- and we do naturally, all the time- we have no protection from our own collective violence except either the unifying effect of sacrificial violence or our collective refusal of violence. Also that civilization, all civilizations, are formed on the dirty secret (as well as a saving illusion) of ritual sacrifice and scapegoating. And sacrifice doesn't not necessarily require the death of the victim, only the symbolic death.

“The violent origins of social order - peace and stability emerging from the bellum omnium contra omnes - through the coalescence of enmity onto a sacralised victim."

The inverse proof is the sacrifice of a victim who is collectively seen as innocent which results in the disruption of the social order; recently seen in the Revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia, the first organized around the death Sayed Kaled and the second around the self-immolation of a poor fruit vendor.

If the true agenda of the controllers is feeding off emotional energy and other esoterica beyond mere oil grabs and Pax Americana..

With this theory we don't need hypothetical energy vampires to explain what happens.

Because of our emptiness, ultimately what we (unconsciously) desire is an ephemeral quality of wholeness that we see in the object we desire- whether a person or a ferrari or a nation. That is, of course, our projection. If the object we desire is a person, that person becomes our rival, seeming to either allow or deny us access to what we think will satiate us. This is the infant's experience of the mother.

But that doesn't leave out those who manipulate the mechanism in order to "individuate" themselves out of the "collective."

To pervert the mechanism, an innocent victim is selected to receive the positive, unwanted projections of the sacrificers, and it's those innocent, pure parts of themselves that they are symbolically killing as embodied by the victim. Instead of unification/deification, the psycho-social effect is separation from the collective and the demonization of the victim. This accounts for SRA and our collective fascination with the unholy hordes- the resurrected undead vampires, zombies.

This makes sense if you allow a the “consensus reality trance” or Sheldrakes morphogenetic field, to be "sticky" and difficult to get free of; even theoretically necessary for those who wish to act on the collective in order to direct the social order, rather than be directed by it. (Jung's idea of individuation offers a similar effect through a kind of self-sacrifice of the culturally received personal self.)

Though it may be the mechanism whereby the grid of unseen entities hook into the human psyche, as well.

[Plutonia]

Very interesting Plutonia. Your twinning explanation is good.

And thanx for posting the video series "arrivals". Forgot which thread it was posted in. When I first started watching it I was sort of...ho hum, seen a bunch of these before...But the longer I watched the better it got. Good vid series.

Erm... that wasn't me.

[Plutonia]

Thats a trip, Plutonia, and i'm not sure if or where i've arrived. Thanks for the ticket, but i wont claim to make sense until i get my bearings. In the meanwhile i'm strongly reminded of the game Mafia. Its a tidy little exercise in scapegoating that eventually results in a highly cynical attitudes to group think, because if play enough games everybody gets a turn being one of the scapegoats unjustly lynched by 'good' townsfolk. Its a remarkable game too for the rapid escalation in sophistication of deceits, as all players manouver to make someone else the scapegoat, almost as if it were second nature..

It makes ones brain take a different shape, I know.

That game could subvert the apocalypse. Could make a good documentary film. Take that game into a community that is scapegoating and see what happens.

[hava1]

This seems to be "on the mark" for a lot of what's going on.

But- the Israeli Hilly Billy Bullshit monitor would say that its a bunch of french existentialist-lunatics inspiring neo nazi generals into more audacious abuse of "subjects". We had a bunch of those in Israel, Gal Hirsch for instance, with Post Modern theories that inspired him to break into civilians (arabs, territories) houses, to prove some french philosopher point on spatial realities.

Sorry to be the "archie bunker", but theory aside, (this sounds really worth reading and studying), and nazis aside. It does seem that the elite managers of the world went berserk. But then Caligula set his army against Neptune, and nobody said a word, not to mention the horse in the Senate.

[Plutonia]

But- the Israeli Hilly Billy Bullshit monitor would say that its a bunch of french existentialist-lunatics inspiring neo nazi generals into more audacious abuse of "subjects". We had a bunch of those in Israel, Gal Hirsch for instance, with Post Modern theories that inspired him to break into civilians (arabs, territories) houses, to prove some french philosopher point on spatial realities.

A truly surreal image, hava.

But wasn't the philosophy just being used to justify/rationalize what they wanted to do anyway? In that sense, they could have used Lolcats or Spiderman comics, if they had found a validation in them.

On edit: There are worse things than going all archiebunker on my ass.

[2012 Countdown]

Whoa, what an OP. Much appreciated for the effort, if only as fantastic exercise. Not sure if I have adequate synapses for this kind of talk.
Thanks for the first video, and to SLAD too for the second.

[hava1]

hey Plutonia, i cannot dismiss it as rationalization, knowing roughly who those generals were (it was a small group), one is married to the head prof of the gender studies department in Tel aviv u, (Brig General Shimon Nave) and so forth, they truly consider themselves "intellectuals", and so i would credit them with being "believers". I would suggest that babbling with those french writings allowed them more distance from the suffering they caused, and more. At the moment, from what I know, one was dismissed from IDF and is selling arms worldwide (recently Abhazia, causing some problems with Gerogia/ISrael relations), and the Shimon NAve ? I don't know what he does. Those two were in the media. FOr me it was the "missing link" between our pathetic "left" and the IDF. The brothel is french, of course, and academic.

the third intellectual in that team is presently serving as chief military intelligence.....................

[Plutonia]

I guess that I consider these to be equivalent ---> rationalizers = believers

Most of what motivates us we are unconscious of and we create reasons for "Why?" that make sense to us to cover that up. Basically we have to, psychologically, otherwise we would be reduced by terror to a vegetative state.

[hava1]

otherwise we would be reduced by terror to a vegetative state.

L0L

some call it "nirvana" or the end of all desire/fear, could be relaxing but will not pay bills. I tested it.

ok, will let you go on with the smart stuff, that was my "breaking news" from the land where the deep imagery emerges and destructs.

What I briefly meant to say is that some people out there, who are paid good tax dollars, read those books as manuals. but then you know that already

[Plutonia]

What I briefly meant to say is that some people out there, who are paid good tax dollars, read those books as manuals. but then you know that already

Yeah and and that's why I posted the Peter Thiel Video. I'm suggesting we look at this theory as a manual for the Obsama deification spectacle.

[2012 Countdown]

What I briefly meant to say is that some people out there, who are paid good tax dollars, read those books as manuals. but then you know that already

Yeah and and that's why I posted the Peter Thiel Video. I'm suggesting we look at this theory as a manual for the Obsama deification spectacle.

Yeah, that factiod was the real mindblower to your theory.

[Plutonia]

What I briefly meant to say is that some people out there, who are paid good tax dollars, read those books as manuals. but then you know that already

Yeah and and that's why I posted the Peter Thiel Video. I'm suggesting we look at this theory as a manual for the Obsama deification spectacle.

Yeah, that factiod was the real mindblower to your theory.

Icing, meet Cake.