Angry White People

[Occult Means Hidden]

AD is criticized way too much. I'd rather the slight annoyance of many threads than the danger of this place becoming a fascist paradise.

[jakell]

AD is criticized way too much. I'd rather the slight annoyance of many threads than the danger of this place becoming a fascist paradise.

Do you really think such proliferation is an effective bulwark against fascist infiltration (infiltration being one of AD's themes)?

I suppose it's an interesting theory, sort of piling high the barricade.

[82_28]

I agree with OMH. I personally don't care what anyone says. If you're here you're here. I really don't have a problem with anyone in real life and online. I don't troll anywhere at any time no matter the site. I do not consider AD a troll or someone who is broadcasting disinfo or even trying to disrupt shit. Get along to get along! Nobody is going to turn into a pillar of salt by reading anything.

What I don't like is this nagging irrational fear I might come off as taking sides. I have no sides when it comes to individuals. I actually really do love you all.

[jakell]

I agree with OMH. I personally don't care what anyone says. If you're here you're here. I really don't have a problem with anyone in real life and online. I don't troll anywhere at any time no matter the site. I do not consider AD a troll or someone who is broadcasting disinfo or even trying to disrupt shit. Get along to get along! Nobody is going to turn into a pillar of salt by reading anything.

What I don't like is this nagging irrational fear I might come off as taking sides. I have no sides when it comes to individuals. I actually really do love you all.

You're right, the issue is far too inflated. This is why I direct my criticisms at AD and try to duck third party bitching such as was attempted over the page.

This last is really the key to the whole business and seems pretty simple formula.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Did anyone read that OP?

[jakell]

Did anyone read that OP?

Yes, I did, I try and read most of the material relating to where I live posted here.

Admittedly, I did skim a bit.

[Iamwhomiam]

Jesus, Jakell, I didn't try to start any argument, truly I didn't.

It's like I walked into a raging family argument and all I want to know, to be told clearly, why are you arguing? It's that simple. Think what you will about me, I cannot help what you think, nor do I seek to change your mind. Your evasive replies were not helping anyone.

You vague first comment I sought you to clarify for me. How is that trying to engage you in a fight with AD? Hell, speak plainly, not so one has to be a member of a cult to understand you.

[jakell]

Jesus, Jakell, I didn't try to start any argument, truly I didn't.

It's like I walked into a raging family argument and all I want to know, to be told clearly, why are you arguing? It's that simple. Think what you will about me, I cannot help what you think, nor do I seek to change your mind. Your evasive replies were not helping anyone.

You vague first comment I sought you to clarify for me. How is that trying to engage you in a fight with AD? Hell, speak plainly, not so one has to be a member of a cult to understand you.

Ah, this may be the problem, there was no raging argument, it's really part of a series of criticisms I've aimed at AD, which I described rather briefly as:

Every one of AD's copious individual copypasta threads are composed of related issues that eventually get crossposted until there is little to no differentiation.

I've been as strong a critic of poor antifa ideation as I have been of the far right, and have repeatedly stressed to AD that the poor collation of all this, plus conflation of absolutely anything that can be thrown together is tactically a disaster. I know he's capable of rigour, but hardly seems to bother for some reason.

Your right about the 'family' (RI) thing, but I'm outside of that really, which is why I said it's best to ask others about all that, my concern is the issues themselves as I have some investment there. I think the 'family' thing inflames the situation and, for clarity's I sake try to avoid it (which you will have noticed)

[JackRiddler]

AD's threads do not ever happen without immediate angry reactions from a certain number of posters, of the sort jakell produced here. Why are you so provoked? What is it that makes you feel addressed?

[tapitsbo]

A far as affect goes you and AD are never angry, though. I'll give you that.

[jakell]

Ah, this may be the problem, there was no raging argument, it's really part of a series of criticisms I've aimed at AD, which I described rather briefly as:

Every one of AD's copious individual copypasta threads are composed of related issues that eventually get crossposted until there is little to no differentiation.

I've been as strong a critic of poor antifa ideation as I have been of the far right, and have repeatedly stressed to AD that the poor collation of all this, plus conflation of absolutely anything that can be thrown together is tactically a disaster. I know he's capable of rigour, but hardly seems to bother for some reason.

Your right about the 'family' (RI) thing, but I'm outside of that really, which is why I said it's best to ask others about all that, my concern is the issues themselves as I have some investment there. I think the 'family' thing inflames the situation and, for clarity's I sake try to avoid it (which you will have noticed)

AD's threads do not ever happen without immediate angry reactions from a certain number of posters, of the sort jakell produced here. Why are you so provoked? What is it that makes you feel addressed?

I'm pretty sure I've explained myself, here and elsewhere, and don't have much to add to that.

[American Dream]

I'm under no obligation to engage with any of the characters here who display a penchant for insinuating racist/reactionary type bullshit onto this board. Most especially, I have chosen not to engage with jakell, and it has been clear for a long, long time now. Those with a history in far right/fascist causes would seem to want nothing more than inclusion. It rarely is so simple, but for those who want to engage with them, more power to you. I rarely see results that justify it, for myself. I value my time and mental energy too much to let somebody else tell me how I need to use them.

Everything is fine around here. We got the Rigorous Intuition in the fore. There is no overgrowth of toxic fungus whatsoever in the discourse here. No one who says they are your friend could be anything but that. "Zionists", refugees, Black Lives Matter, women, queers, whoever else remember- it's not the Far Right- it's the Alt Right stepping on your toes- but really because they love ya, and just want to protect you from the globalists and the NWO.

Keep repeating to yourself, "The Conspiracy is what they say it is, The Conspiracy is what they say it is, The Conspiracy is what they say it is" until you lose all critical consciousness. By then this place will be even more unwelcoming than it already is towards people of color, women, queer folks, jews, muslims, and all the rest.

Then someday maybe there will be Justice- Just Us good ol' boys- and all will be fulfilled.

[jakell]

That's fine AD, "no platform" it is (you being the platform it seems).

Still, I reckon these points are valid, especially in the light of what I've said above and on previous occasions:

Going by your usual habit of posting any old stuff in any one of your current threads, I fail to see what this new one is for. Perhaps you will provide some input soon regarding title and content etc.

Otherwise you are simply continuing to muddy this set of related issues.

If you actually value the material you paste (ie, it's not just wallpaper), then you will do this. Joe made a start.

My last line relates to the lack of rigour you display by neither addressing the content, or collating it into useful areas.

[Sounder]

AD's threads do not ever happen without immediate angry reactions from a certain number of posters, of the sort jakell produced here. Why are you so provoked? What is it that makes you feel addressed?

This is so rich, coming in a thread called 'Angry White People' from the most angry poster on the board.

You have an odd criteria as to what constitutes anger Jack. I actually pay attention to what jakell writes and find that his cool demeanor is an asset to be respected.

Generally folk come here to keep a bead on the larger world and try to figure out better how things work. To a lesser extent some do a bit of proselytizing, but not much. Mostly that falls on AD, and some people interpret the repetition as being propaganda rather than earnest promotion of something that AD sees as a good thing.

The impression is reenforced when AD's anarchist positions seem to line up so well with western imperialist aims.


Yes, I read the article Joe.

If insecurity is a major driver of hate, then people who are 'actually' against that sort of thing would not support color revolutions and other modern contrivances that generate insecurity.

[jakell]

AD's threads do not ever happen without immediate angry reactions from a certain number of posters, of the sort jakell produced here. Why are you so provoked? What is it that makes you feel addressed?

This is so rich, coming in a thread called 'Angry White People' from the most angry poster on the board.

You have an odd criteria as to what constitutes anger Jack. I actually pay attention to what jakell writes and find that his cool demeanor is an asset to be respected.

Generally folk come here to keep a bead on the larger world and try to figure out better how things work. To a lesser extent some do a bit of proselytizing, but not much. Mostly that falls on AD, and some people interpret the repetition as being propaganda rather than earnest promotion of something that AD sees as a good thing.

The impression is reenforced when AD's anarchist positions seem to line up so well with western imperialist aims.

I do agree that AD is well meaning, and I only really stress that he should be a bit more systematic, with a view to the adage that 'less is more'. He's moving a bit in this direction anyway.

Yes, I read the article Joe.

If insecurity is a major driver of hate, then people who are 'actually' against that sort of thing would not support color revolutions and other modern contrivances that generate insecurity.

What I mainly took from it was its views on the 70's National Front, I was young at that time and have only really written properly on the BNP from mid-eighties onwards, it's good to understand them as a precursor that had a significantly different MO to Griffin's BNP which was a function of the times and it is my belief that their extremism led to an overreaction on the part of the 'Looney Left' (Brits will recognise this term) starting in the mid Eighties. As we know, overreaction starts the pendulum swinging and one of its results (IMO) is the turning of a blind eye to Rotherham type situations.
The next reaction will very likely be against this political correctness, and I think we are seeing elements of this, even though it is happening outside of the mainstream political sphere.

Now to look up some NF stuff