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Good that Manning will be released but bad that it is not a pardon and that she must wait until May 2017.

Assange owes the USA nothing.

What about Leonard Peltier and Don Siegelman now POTUS Obama?

The United States has never requested the extradition of Julian Assange.

barracuda » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:12 pm wrote:The United States has never requested the extradition of Julian Assange.

Yes, and why not, exactly? It is a complicated dance routine. And who knows how things will change as we progress further into the Deranged Era. Will Trump request his extradition after having praised Wikileaks? Will Democrats and other US Liberals protest against Assange's extradition now that they have come out as fans of the CIA and the rest of "the intelligence community"? They've tied themselves in a very knotty knot.


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If he goes to Sweden, the US can request his extradition from there. The Swedish government will make themselves very unpopular in Sweden if they accede to such a request, but it might well be a "request" they cannot deny.

The big difference between Assange and Manning is that Manning is one individual, now apparently broken, while Assange is the public face of a globally-distributed anonymous organisation that is still actively hacking.

MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:44 pm wrote:Will Trump request his extradition after having praised Wikileaks?

I would bet against that.

MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:57 pm wrote:

liminalOyster » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:40 pm wrote:

MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:14 pm wrote:I wonder whether Assange will now feel obliged to make good on his offer. Since Manning has not actually been pardoned, I hope he will not feel obliged deliver himself up in her place to the hell of the US "legal" and prison systems.

Assange's original offer used the phrase "clemency."

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/776437869376262144

Damn, it's horrible. Wait now for Assange to called a coward and a liar if he doesn't doesn't walk willingly into the arena.

And Obama did grant Manning clemency so I guess Assange has an obligation to pony up.
If he did make that offer and he doesn't show up then that is cowardly and dishonest.
Like the countries he spies on and for.
But he's probably on a plane next week anyways to attend the inauguration to get his just rewards in "the arena".
A 3 Doors Down concert!
Until then Assange, we are here without you baby.

it's what the Trump party will look like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPU8OAj ... freload=10

So brekin wants to see Julian Assange deported to the USA (where he would presumably be given a life sentence in a Supermax™ prison). Good to have that on the record. Hard to know what the quality of the music at Trump's inauguration has to with any of this, though.

Anyway, and inevitably, Time Magazine is already baying for the blood of both Assange and Snowden. Big, salivating, banner headline:

WikiLeaks Said Julian Assange Would Agree to Extradition If Chelsea Manning Was Granted Clemency

Sarah Begley @SCBegley 5:05 PM ET

http://time.com/4636953/wikileaks-chels ... n-assange/

Clemency... it's the American Way.

MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:42 pm wrote:So brekin wants to see Julian Assange deported to the USA (where he would presumably be given a life sentence in a Supermax™ prison). Good to have that on the record. Hard to know what the quality of the music at Trump's inauguration has to with any of this, though.
Anyway, and inevitably, Time Magazine is already baying for the blood of both Assange and Snowden. Big, salivating, banner headline:

WikiLeaks Said Julian Assange Would Agree to Extradition If Chelsea Manning Was Granted Clemency

Sarah Begley @SCBegley 5:05 PM ET
http://time.com/4636953/wikileaks-chels ... n-assange/

Clemency... it's the American Way.

More like he would be given a sentence as Trump's Secretary of Agriculture.
Or some yet undefined position, Minister of Truth perhaps.
I joke.
But every joke has a kernel of truth.
This kernel is just GMO mutant Inca corn size.

I didn't bother to look, but I heard friends talking about how various centipede hovels were expressing cognitive dissonance about this Manning news.

In what ways could Trump fuck this up?

I certainly give way more of a fuck about Wikileaks than about Assange the person.

Luther Blissett » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:47 pm wrote:I didn't bother to look, but I heard friends talking about how various centipede hovels were expressing cognitive dissonance about this Manning news.

In what ways could Trump fuck this up?

What's a "centipede hovel", Luther?

The main cognitive dissonance will be among the Democrats and other Liberals who have affected to support Assange for so long and who have now, since Trump's election, fallen back in love with the CIA, "the intelligence community", and the National Security State.

^ To many of them already, Assange is now just that 'rapist' who got Trump elected. Just look at Twitter some time (or don't). It's truly incredible..

liminalOyster » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:44 pm wrote:

This is starting to seem like Reagan's freeing of the Iranian hostages type deal.

Did Iran Delay Hostages Release To Ensure Reagan's Election?
http://www.wrmea.org/1987-october/did-i ... ction.html

...
The charge has been raised, first in the Middle Eastern and European press and now in the US, that in 1980 while Jimmy Carter was frantically negotiating for an early release of American hostages in Iran, members of the Ronald Reagan campaign staff made the Ayatollah Khomeini an offer he couldn't refuse—badly needed US arms and spare parts for his war with Iraq if he kept the US Embassy hostages in Tehran until after election day.
...

Obama frees Manning, Assange comes to US to face charges under Trump who goes easy on him.
Then Wikileaks, InfoWars, etc.(The Limited Hangout Network) will all work in concert with Trump & Co. to keep pumping out the alternative rock that is really just the same old corporate rock.

"Hey, man, is that freedom rock?"
"Yeah, man!"
"Well, turn it up, man!"



I'm actually starting to worry for Assange now.
He potentially knows too much on both ends of the Evil Empire.
He may in the end get a promotion like the Founder of his network.