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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:37 pm
by crikkett
General Patton, what a horrible time to lose your feed!!

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:40 pm
by General Patton
Most of the traffic switched to a private channel, not sure what they're on. Lots of noise, breathing and other stuff on this main one now, along with half conversations.

Edit: nevermind 4th scanner down

5th one up:
http://audio4.radioreference.com/71138770.mp3

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:00 pm
by Hunter
How often do we see situations with barricaded people go on and on for ours. They didn't wait long to set this on fire.

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:09 pm
by General Patton
There was a silver expedition blocking the fire trucks once they decided to let them in, but by then it had already burned. The fire hit a gas line, they let it burn and got specs from a firefighter who had lived in the cabin as a child so that they knew the basement would be too hot to survive in. All internet scanners I have are down right now from heavy traffic. Building is clear now, so it's over for the cabin area.

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:12 pm
by JackRiddler
I see we have major breaking events here, but I wrote this earlier today, so here it is now...
FourthBase wrote:http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2013/02/11/mike-davis/exterminating-angels/

SNIP
But I’m haunted by an eerie precedent to Dorner’s story: the legend of Mark Essex. He was a monster in the same sense as Dorner: his rage at injustice and humiliation became an annihilating violence.
A young Black navy veteran with almost no formal weapons training, Essex boldly attacked the headquarters of the New Orleans Police Department on New Year’s Eve, 1972. After killing a black police cadet and wounding a white lieutenant, Essex escaped to a nearby warehouse where he ambushed a K-9 unit and killed another cop. For a week he eluded a vast manhunt before suddenly reappearing in the Howard Johnson Hotel across the street from City Hall. Going floor to floor, always warning the housekeepers to flee, he shot down hotel managers and white guests, setting rooms afire as he climbed toward the roof.
The New Orleans police rushed the hotel, but Essex with uncanny accuracy shot cops off fire ladders, mowed them down in stairwells and killed them as they stepped out of elevators or got out of their cars in the streets below. By nightfall on 7 January 1973, Essex – now bunkered on the roof of Howard Johnson – had militarily defeated the entire New Orleans Police Department. He had shot ten police officers (five dead, including a deputy chief) and eleven white civilians (four dead) while withstanding thousands of rounds of police fire without a wound. Ultimately a marine helicopter was brought in and after taking numerous hits from Essex in three runs at the hotel, a police sharpshooter killed the one-man black liberation army. When the coroner received what remained of Essex he counted 200 bullet wounds.
How is it possible I'd never heard of this case before?

I suspect few here have. I'd guess we all know Charles Whitman and other rampage or spree killers from the same era or earlier, but that most of us have only learned of Essex now, thanks to FB's post. If Essex's attack had happened today, it would have got a solid month's coverage. The MSM would have picked a couple of images as iconic and repeated them endlessly, and these would also end up on the TV in India. Everyone you know would have an opinion. They'd feel required to have one, to discuss it. It would be a political issue and prompt policy proposals. He'd be classed as a terrorist. If he'd issued a manifesto, we'd be reading it on this board. Homicide rates in the US are much lower today than then, after peaking in the early 1990s, but rampage killings appear to be as frequent or higher, at least in absolute numbers. I think the media coverage and the fashion of turning each such event into an iconic one, a kind of brand, is a factor in that.

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:01 pm
by Wombaticus Rex
^^Wild! I am actually working on an article about that, plus the Hanafi shootings in DC in 77, nothing new under the sun.

Brutal night on all global sensor fronts, glad I'm drinking for it.

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:20 pm
by 8bitagent
Well that was anticlimactic.(Unless there's some Thomas Harris Red Dragon twist) Found just in time for Obama's speech. Onto the next must see tragedy of the week(or day I guess it is in this hyper news cycle)

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:24 pm
by Nordic
Anybody else sorta horrified at the timing of this with Obama's speech?

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:24 pm
by General Patton
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/02/dorner-held-couple-hostage-in-cabin-for-days-cops-wounded-killed-as-they-forced-him-back-in-during-flight-attempt-2576292.html
Before the shootout, Christopher Dorner allegedly broke into a cabin days ago in the San Bernardino Mountains, tied up the couple inside and held them hostage until he left Tuesday morning, a source said.

Then Dorner was allegedly spotted by state Fish and Wildlife officers in a white pickup truck, the source said. When they attempted to stop him, Dorner crashed the truck during a chase and exchanged gunfire with the officers as he fled into another cabin, where he was quickly surrounded by San Bernardino County sheriff’s deputies, the source said.

Dorner is now surrounded by police inside a Big Bear area cabin after allegedly getting into a gun battle that left two San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deputies wounded.

The source said one deputy was hit as Dorner fired out of the cabin and a second was injured when Dorner exited the back of the cabin, deployed a smoke bomb and opened fire again in an apparent attempt to flee. Dorner was driven back inside the cabin, the source said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/fugitive-cop-christopher-dorner-barricaded-cabin-cops/story?id=18480021
Police got a break at 12:20 p.m. PT, when they received a 911 call that a suspect resembling Dorner had broken into a home in the Big Bear area, taken two hostages and stolen a car.

The two hostages, who were tied up by Dorner but later escaped, were evaluated by paramedics and were determined to be uninjured.

Officials say Dorner crashed the stolen vehicle and fled on foot to the cabin where he barricaded himself and exchanged fire with deputies from the San Bernardino Sheriff's Office and state Fish and Game officers.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/police-checking-reports-that-ex-lapd-officer-dorner-sighted/?hpt=hp_t1
[Updated at 10:02 p.m. ET] A body believed to be that of Christopher Dorner has been pulled from the cabin, multiple law enforcement sources tell CNN contributor Tom Fuentes. The sources say they were told this by LAPD.

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:08 am
by DrVolin
Almost as convenient as dumping the body at sea.

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:27 am
by JackRiddler
So who was it that said above when they found him it would be put down as a single shot suicide? Can't find it again, but someone did...

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:04 am
by Fresno_Layshaft
JackRiddler wrote:So who was it that said above when they found him it would be put down as a single shot suicide? Can't find it again, but someone did...

That was me. I didn't anticipate that they'd "Waco" Chocolate Rambo.

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:30 am
by Canadian_watcher
hm.. I've been on a news diet so just reading about this now.
Is it possible that this was a 'show?' - I wouldn't have thought so until the house burning/no firetrucks allowed in part.
it's strange though.
and what is happening with the cops who killed the people in the truck? I mean wtf was that, and are people suitably outraged?
oh and yeah, the timing with the state of the union is coincidental.

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:43 am
by FourthBase
Now he's definitely going to miss Shark Week.

Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:59 am
by justdrew
one dorner was relatively easy, what if there'd been a hundred dorner units? oh yeah, Mexico. :confused