Judeophobia & The Revolutionary Right

[seemslikeadream]

this is actually a very small board people have been here for years we all know each other very well ....very very well.....

people have a history here...we know them ...new people will get a fair shake but there are about 30 people that know each other from their posts going back years...there's no fooling these folks..to think this place would get infested by SFers is absolutely insane and is down right insulting


but we must put up with the ever vigilant AD and solace

[Sounder]

solace wrote...

I don't think that's why he does it. My concern would be why would it bother anybody. Anti-racism is a GOOD thing and anyone who doesn't want to read about it can do just that as adults. Advocating for NO MORE NO MORE NO MORE is kinda suspicious to say the least when people can exercise choice about what they decide to look at/respond to. Our late mod made that point many times.

So here's the thing, from my POV anyway, this is a discussion board, not AD's auxiliary filing cabinet.

Yet because these kind of threads become 'trigger' events, they serve to effectively distract from more substantive issues.

For instance, my opinion is that Rockefeller, while only representative of a larger issue, is more worthy of examination than is William Dudley Pelley.

Pelley is easy to talk about.

Rockefeller, not so much. Then folk might have to look at how effected, nay moulded, they may be from and by Rockefeller consensus bullshit.

[solace]

The strange thing here isnt the idea that this board has been infiltrated, the strange thing is the idea that keeping anti-racist threads bumped constantly would somehow ward them away.

I don't think that's why he does it. My concern would be why would it bother anybody. Anti-racism is a GOOD thing and anyone who doesn't want to read about it can do just that as adults. Advocating for NO MORE NO MORE NO MORE is kinda suspicious to say the least when people can exercise choice about what they decide to look at/respond to. Our late mod made that point many times.

I agree completely that in a forum full of sane well balanced adults someone making threads people dont like would simply be ignored and everything ok. But in all my years of posting on forums, chat rooms, irc channels ect, I have yet to find a single community that is full of sane well balanced adults. Realistically, if someone incessantly spams a forum with the same stuff for years on end people are going to get sick of it. And the fact that this wasnt motivated by some kind of deep passion for the subject matter but rather some weird voodoo logic where these threads keep hoards racist spys at bay doesnt help much.

If it had been SPAM, as his detractors have obviously convinced you to come on side with then wouldn't that say that ALL the mods and Jeff were, all during that time, incredibly incompetent?

[seemslikeadream]

no AD plays by the rules ...no doubt.....smart...everyone here is smart

I could start an OP every day on the same subject and it would be playing by the rules

[solace]

solace wrote...

I don't think that's why he does it. My concern would be why would it bother anybody. Anti-racism is a GOOD thing and anyone who doesn't want to read about it can do just that as adults. Advocating for NO MORE NO MORE NO MORE is kinda suspicious to say the least when people can exercise choice about what they decide to look at/respond to. Our late mod made that point many times.

So here's the thing, from my POV anyway, this is a discussion board, not AD's auxiliary filing cabinet.

Yet because these kind of threads become 'trigger' events, they serve to effectively distract from more substantive issues.

For instance, my opinion is that Rockefeller, while only representative of a larger issue, is more worthy of examination than is William Dudley Pelley.

Pelley is easy to talk about.

Rockefeller, not so much. Then folk might have to look at how effected, nay moulded, they may be from and by Rockefeller consensus bullshit.

I understand what you are saying but of course there is always the issue of who gets to define substantive issues. And on it goes.

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

Spam isnt the right word I guess. And I have no idea if the mods were incompetent or not I wasnt here.

[seemslikeadream]

the mods are great ....smart decent fair people and we just lost one of the best there ever was


AD is also smart

[Searcher08]

I see it as people having very different "alarm bells" and standards for what constitutes being an anti-Semite and or racist. Some people have alarms that are tripped from just naming any out of a wide range of individuals or organisations - once these alarms have been tripped for example by a perceived association with David Icke or GIlad Atzmon and they lose almost all trust in the poster.
If you then add the dynamic of other people who have the experience of being in room where the 120db intruder alarm is going off all the time and who cant stand the noise and start ripping it off the wall, the original people see this very action as indicating they are probably friends of the anti-Semite invaders, a stance which drives the deafened ones crazy as they see themselves wanting to stop noise, not allow burglars.
Add into the mix others who see much of the 'alarm system' as the using similar strategies to Hasbara activists and you have a systemic no-exit 'infinite loop'.

In my time here, I only recall one poster who fitted the infiltrator type from the Far Right (Vigilant) ; there have actually been more people banned under the Israeli fascist banner - like the guy who had a mad rabbi as an avatar, another from years ago who was a member of fairly long standing before he outed himself.

[seemslikeadream]

oh yes the association game ...the 7 degrees of separation ...you must be one look at who he mentioned in that thing 30 years ago


Joseph Campbell comes to mind...

you do know Campbell is a raging Anti?


green is the color of sarcasm for the new people here

[Sounder]

Solace wrote....

I understand what you are saying but of course there is always the issue of who gets to define substantive issues. And on it goes.

But we are not talking about 'defining' what is a substantive issue, rather we are (collectively) determining the issues we direct our attention toward.

Objectively speaking, issues surrounding Rockefeller are more substantive than those produced by William Pelley, by shear force of volume and impact. (I never heard of William Pelley before and I don't expect my life to be much enriched now that I have heard of him.)

[American Dream]

What kind of person is proud to identify as a National "Anarchist"?...

Left, Right, and Wrong: Drawing a Line Against NATA in New York [UPDATED]
Posted on February 4, 2013

We are a group of autonomous anti-fascists in NYC who are responding to recent events concerning a far right group called National Anarchist Tribal Alliance­ New York (NATA–NY). They are closely connected to international fascist groups and endorse white separatism, holocaust denial, and anti-Jewish conspiracy theories.



National-Anarchism grew out of Third Position fascism, which is an anti-capitalist offshoot that believes in racial separatism rather than white supremacy. National-Anarchism was formed by aging Nazi skinheads in an attempt to infiltrate anarchist and radical movements and turn these activists towards far right politics. Some U.S. National-Anarchists prefer to say “tribal” instead “national”; this refers to organizing different, often ethnically separate “tribal” tendencies into a pan-secessionist alliance. There are similar groups in Germany, Russia, etc. which dress up as anarchists or left-wing groups, and appropriate their images and slogans—but promote ideas of xenophobia, white supremacy, racialism, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism, and homophobia.


Troy Southgate has been a fascist activist since the 1980s
and is the leader of the National “Anarchist” Movement (NAM)

In Britain, National-Anarchists publish books about obscure fascist leaders in an effort to revive their ideas. In Australia, they are involved in anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant politics and are led by a former member of Volksfront, a Nazi skinhead gang. The Bay Area group was involved in a May Day street battle with antifascists after participating in an anti-immigration rally with the Minutemen. Their other activities included infiltrating a pro-Palestinian parade with anti-Semitic propaganda, donating food only to white homeless people, protesting a queer street fair and screenings of the movie ‘Machete’ (for supposedly being anti-white), and burning a Koran. Members of all of these groups have moved back-and-forth between National-Anarchist organizing and traditional fascist and far right political work.

Continues at: http://nycantifa.wordpress.com/2013/02/ ... -new-york/

[jakell]

What kind of person is proud to identify as a National "Anarchist"?...

I really hope this is not another insinuation about me AD, because you do a lot of this, and using this style ie a brief 'comment' followed by someone else's article.

If you recall, I've described my relation to NA, I hope you absorbed it.

[Sounder]

What kind of person is proud to identify as a National "Anarchist"?...

AD, where is any quote from jakell that shows that he is proud to identify as a National "Anarchist".

Evidence please.

Barring that, where do you get off accusing a fellow member of being proud to identify as a National "Anarchist".

[jakell]

What kind of person is proud to identify as a National "Anarchist"?...

AD, where is any quote from jakell that shows that he is proud to identify as a National "Anarchist".

Evidence please.

Barring that, where do you get off accusing a fellow member of being proud to identify as a National "Anarchist".

Well here's the problem. He didn't say it, he indirectly insinuated it, and that only based on recent discussions that are not immediately apparent.
It is possible to make these sort of insinuations pile up, which Is why I'm challenging it.

He will have trouble showing evidence because, as he said, I have been 'carefully positioning myself' . He tried to give this a sinister connotation though, but I think it's a fairly rational way of behaving when new somewhere, especially on forums.

Thanks for referring to me as 'a fellow member'. I thought you had to have thousands of posts to reach that status.

[American Dream]

What kind of person is proud to identify as a National "Anarchist"?...

AD, where is any quote from jakell that shows that he is proud to identify as a National "Anarchist".

Evidence please.

Barring that, where do you get off accusing a fellow member of being proud to identify as a National "Anarchist".

Well here's the problem. He didn't say it, he indirectly insinuated it, and that only based on recent discussions that are not immediately apparent.
It is possible to make these sort of insinuations pile up, which Is why I'm challenging it.

He will have trouble showing evidence because, as he said, I have been 'carefully positioning myself' . He tried to give this a sinister connotation though, but I think it's a fairly rational way of behaving when new somewhere, especially on forums.

Thanks for referring to me as 'a fellow member'. I thought you had to have thousands of posts to reach that status.

Here's what I think, jakell: You have no clear opinion on White Supremacy and neo-Fascism. Besides there's a million factions of the Revolutionary Right, a byzantine labyrinth and what you think is complex, even if you've never quite told us what it is. Surely you will deny you're this or that as you continue to walk kinda like... a duck. You "know these people". They're "not so dumb".

What in the realm of Boneheadism do you specifically condemn? I don't think you've really told us yet. Surely you have dangled the lure of National "Anarchism" but only as your support for Autonomy in general, right?

Are you gonna stick hard to consistently advocating for National "Anarchism"? I wouldn't place any bets on that!

You are as slippery as an eel covered in Crisco.