Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

[Iamwhomiam]

I have the luxury of living in a blue state. I would vote for Clinton if NY was a contested state, knowing all I know about her. She is the superior candidate, regardless.

[Rory]

I have the luxury of living in a blue state. I would vote for Clinton if NY was a contested state, knowing all I know about her. She is the superior candidate, regardless.

What a depressingly low bar that is. Scraping the barrel, to put it politely

[Iamwhomiam]

Yeah, Rory, the truth really is painful. Every choice we make in our life is choosing one preference over another. The lesser evil always wins whenever you choose, according to one's own beliefs.

Far from scrapping the barrel, it is logical for me to vote for Stein, according to my belief, and the very best I can do. I care very much who will appoint new SCOTUS Justices and believe Clinton's choices would be preferable to any Trump would nominate. Not for my benefit, but for the benefit my grandchildren and great grandchildren. I'll be checking out within the decade.

If you are a US citizen, who will you be voting for, Rory? Why?

[Rory]

I meant Clinton being the superior candidate to Trump, is scraping the barrel.

I'd vote for Stein - blue/red/swing state. The rest of the candidates are too repugnant. I actually like what Jill has said, and although the Green Party is a disaster, she's still the best of a poor field

[Iamwhomiam]

Oh, I agree she's the best in the field, but she cannot become elected as President this term. That is the truth, too. If you are in a swing state and you vote for Stein, you're assuring the election of one of the two, Trump or Clinton. And it might seem to some that by voting Green in a swing state you care not at all about the makeup of the future Supreme Court, which imo, is more important than the election of a 4 or 8 year term of office.

Edited to add,

I forgot to thank you Rory, for responding to my questions. I appreciate you doing so, while I do not agree with your reasoned decision, due only to your living in a contested state.

Edited once again to add,

I would say that Trump would be scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Clinton's simply the dregs.

[82_28]

iamwhoiam wrote:

I'll be checking out within the decade.

C'mon, yo. Me too. Here's one of the mortal truths that bothers me most: that Seattle mass transit will not be built out in my lifetime. They should have nailed that shit in the mid 60's. Now it's an expensive semi-shithole of redevelopment. I digress. But I am coming to that point where I am realizing I will never see anything I ever hoped for. Not totally defeatist but maybe there will be a colony on Mars before I check out.

[Iamwhomiam]

I really begged Nichols not to proceed with the tunnel. It will soon be under water. Compared to other large cities, Seattle has an efficient bus system, imo. I was surprised how cheap the fare was to and from the airport.

[NeonLX]

I really begged Nichols not to proceed with the tunnel. It will soon be under water. Compared to other large cities, Seattle has an efficient bus system, imo. I was surprised how cheap the fare was to and from the airport.

Word. We "look up to" Seattle and Portland here in rinkydink Madison (hourly frequency on weekends, anyone?). I got along without a car for a year after the divorce. I was in the best shape ever. Then I got a used car and my condition has gone downhill ever since. It's amazing how quickly one can turn into a fat-ass.

[Nordic]

From Pepe Escobar

Hillary Clinton, FBI and the Real November Surprise

COLUMNISTS 17:08 31.10.2016 (updated 17:10 31.10.2016) Get short URL Pepe Escobar 2016 US Presidential Election (59) 227506681

"As bad as it is the folks above the President make the decisions. They may have decided on Trump. These things do not happen by accident."

Thus spoke a high-level US business mover and shaker with secure transit in rarified Masters of the Universe-related circles, amidst the utter political chaos provoked by head of the FBI James Comey’s latest bombshell. It’s virtually established by now that US Attorney General Loretta Lynch told Comey not to release his letter to Congress. But Comey did it anyway. If he had not, and a scandal would – inevitably – spring up after the US presidential election, Lynch would be perfectly positioned to deny she knew anything, and Comey would be on the firing line. Lynch is a certified Clinton machine asset. In 1999 then-President Bill Clinton appointed her to run the Brooklyn US Attorney’s office. She left in 2002, taking the private practice revolving door. She was back to the Brooklyn office in 2010, urged by Obama. Five years later she became the 83rd US Attorney General, replacing the dodgy Eric Holder. A plausible case has been made that Comey took his fateful decision based on a serious internal revolt at the FBI – led by key people he trust — as well as being egged-on by his wife. Yet one of the key questions that refuse to go away is why the FBI waited until 11 days before the US presidential election to supposedly "find" an email trove on certified sexting pervert Anthony Weiner’s laptop.

The business source, although unsympathetic to the Clinton machine, especially in foreign policy, is a realpolitik practitioner, not a conspiracy theorist. He is adamant that, “the FBI reversal could not have happened without orders above the President. If the Masters [of the Universe] have changed their mind, then they will destroy Hillary.” He adds, “they can make a deal with Donald just like anyone else; Donald wins; the Masters win; the people think that their voice has been heard. And then there will be some sort of (controlled) change.”

What’s paramount in the whole soap opera is the faith in the US political system — as corrupt as it may be — must endure. That mirrors the faith in the US dollar; if confidence in the US dollar fails, the US as a hegemonic financial power is no more. The source is equally adamant that, “it is almost unprecedented to see a cover-up as extensive as Hillary’s. A secret meeting between Bill Clinton and the Attorney General; the FBI ignoring all evidence and initially clearing Hillary to near rebellion of the whole of the FBI, attested to by Rudolf Giuliani whose reputation as a federal prosecutor is unquestioned; the Clinton “pay for play” foundation. The Masters are troubled that this is getting out of hand.” The record shows that “the Masters do not usually have to go to such lengths to protect their own. They did manage to save Bill Clinton from the Monica Lewinsky perjury and keep him in the presidency. The Masters were not attacked in this case. They even got away with the 1987 cash settlement crash and the theft surrounding the Lehman debacle. In all these cases there were no overarching challenges to their control, as we see now open to the public by Trump. They antagonized and insulted the wrong man.”

Hillary Clinton is not at the center of Comey’s jaw-dropping October Surprise; it’s actually her right-hand woman and ersatz “daughter” Huma Abedin. This early January essay on Huma Abedin contains plenty of nuggets out and about – some of them positively eyebrow raising. In case Hillary Clinton becomes the next President of the United States (POTUS), Abedin, alternatively known as Princess of Saudi Arabia, will most likely become Hillary’s chief of staff – the power behind running all White House operations.

A glimpse of the FBI-Huma Abedin connection is available here. Abedin was granted Top Secret security clearance for the first time in 2009, when Hillary named her deputy chief of staff for operations. Abedin later said she “did not remember” being read into any Special Access Programs (SAPs). It’s crucial to remember that one of Abedin’s emails was huma@clintonemail.com. Crucial translation: she was the only high-level State Dept. aide whose emails were hosted by the notorious Subterranean Clinton Email Server – which she claimed she didn’t know existed until she heard about it in the news. Abedin swore under oath in a lawsuit brought against the State Dept. by Judicial Watch that she had handed over all of her laptops and smart phones that could host emails relevant to the Subterranean Email Server investigation. That may not have been the case. The laptop at the center of Comey’s bombshell was shared by Abedin and her husband Wiener before they split. If Abedin lied, she could face up to five years in jail for perjury. As if the whole illegal email-cum-sexting saga was not sordid enough, the “climax” now seems to have turned into a mixed wrestling match between the former couple, with the big “prize” being the slammer.

The FBI has finally obtained a warrant and is now frantically searching no less than 650,000 Abedin emails found on sexting freak Wiener’s laptop; the objective is to exactly determine which ones came from the Subterranean Email Server. As if this was not demeaning enough, the FBI continues to conduct an investigation on the Clinton Foundation. As former Assistant Director of the FBI Tom Fuentes said, “The FBI has an intensive investigation ongoing into the Clinton Foundation…the investigation would go forward as a comprehensive unified case and be coordinated, so that investigation is ongoing and Huma Abedin and her role and activities concerning Secretary of State in the nature of the foundation and possible ‘pay to play’, that’s still being looked at now.” Whatever happens until election day, US voters will have to consider the startling fact they may choose a next POTUS that is the subject of a wide-ranging “comprehensive unified” FBI investigation.

A former federal public corruption prosecutor volunteers a plausible take on Comey’s action. In a nutshell, FBI agents investigating Weiner’s sexting – and they are a different set of agents investigating Emailgate — saw evidence of State Dept emails on his laptop. Comey knew he needed a search warrant to comb the emails at Wiener’s computer. So he pre-empted the – inevitable – subsequent hype by “sending out a vague…letter to the Hill” that in the end left everyone even more confused. That interpretation though may be only scratching the surface. Deeper and deeper, it seems that Comey’s decision was really precipitated by the senior FBI agents’ insurgence – fed up with the “extreme carelessness” Hillary cover-up. They’ve got to have some surefire material on the Clinton (cash) machine that never saw the light. Comey could have just waited to say something after the election; after all the FBI maintains they had checked all Clinton emails, including deleted ones, not to mention the Podesta emails. So the emails on sexting Wiener’s laptop may be no more than a limited hangout. A much more plausible explanation is that Comey had to do it not only because of the FBI internal revolt (or because he had an urge to upstage WikiLeaks?) He had to do it because the rot goes way beyond the Clinton “pay to play” racket and involves virtually the whole system, from the deep recesses of the Obama administration to the War Party scam, the Department of Justice, the CIA and the FBI itself. What next? Brace for impact; it may well be the ultimate November Surprise.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/columnists/2016 ... -surprise/

[Nordic]

Oh, I agree she's the best in the field, but she cannot become elected as President this term. That is the truth, too. If you are in a swing state and you vote for Stein, you're assuring the election of one of the two, Trump or Clinton. And it might seem to some that by voting Green in a swing state you care not at all about the makeup of the future Supreme Court, which imo, is more important than the election of a 4 or 8 year term of office.

Edited to add,

I forgot to thank you Rory, for responding to my questions. I appreciate you doing so, while I do not agree with your reasoned decision, due only to your living in a contested state.

Edited once again to add,

I would say that Trump would be scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Clinton's simply the dregs.

But one thing that argument overlooks:

Your vote doesn't matter one bit in "battle" between Hillary and Trump. Not at all.

But where it might actually count is in getting the Green Party at 5% at which time it becomes a legit, recognized party and automatically gets federal funding next time.

Face it we have no control over Trump/Hillary. There's never a "perfect time" to vote third party if you keep thinking that some day there will be. It's like waiting for the perfect time to tell your spouse you want a divorce. It's just gotta happen. Just do it.

[Novem5er]

I live in the largest battleground state this year: Florida.

I'll be voting Stein.

So if Clinton loses Florida by 1% and Steil racks up 2% of the vote, wouldn't that mean that Stein voters cost her the state and possibly the election? I guess.

I'd argue that the DNC cost themselves the election when they colluded with party officials, big donors, and the media, to christen Hillary Clinton before the primary season ever began. Hillary Clinton began the primary process with some of the lowest favorability ratings in American history, as well as some of the lowest ratings for trust. THIS is the candidate they propped-up, one that their own party rated as unfavorable and untrustworthy.

Their mantra from the beginning was that they didn't care if America, and especially progressives, didn't like her and didn't trust her; she was to be nominated regardless. Progressive voters would fall in line and vote for this unlikeable and untrustworthy candidate or else they risk handing power to the Republicans. Let me be clear, though:

The PARTY took that risk and is now demanding that the people absolve them of the consequences. Angry progressives voting for Hillary is akin to a DNC Bailout, and will justify every one of their risky, selfish decisions.

So if Clinton loses Florida and loses the election, do not blame the 20,000 Stein voters for following their conscience. Blame the DNC for having no conscience.

BTW in 2012, Jill Stein only got 8.947 votes (or 0.11% of the total vote). To even get, say 2% she will need to win 20x the number of votes this year. That is historically unheard of. Think about that; she'd have to double her turnout and then multiply that by ten.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Abedin was granted Top Secret security clearance for the first time in 2009, when Hillary named her deputy chief of staff for operations. Abedin later said she “did not remember” being read into any Special Access Programs (SAPs).

Which, to be clear, is Exactly What The Fuck You're Supposed to Say if you want to keep your clearance.

SAPs are not secrets: SAPs do not exist.

[Sounder]

Things do seem to have changed for Hillary in the last few days.

[Nordic]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-fbi- ... -campaign/

Report: FBI says no direct ties between Russia, Donald Trump's campaign

As Donald Trump tries to keep the focus on Hillary Clinton’s email saga, Democrats are attempting to sow doubt about Trump’s cozy relationship with Russia, CBS News’ Major Garrett reports.

Late Monday, The New York Times reported that the FBI spent several months over the summer investigating Russia’s potential meddling in the U.S. election and found no direct link to Trump. The report said law enforcement officials examined ties between Trump’s business and a Russian bank. They also looked at former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s long relationship with pro-Russian officials in Ukraine.

Sources told the Times that “apparent connections between some of Trump’s aides and Moscow originally compelled them to open a broad investigation.” But officials uncovered no clear evidence.

In Michigan on Monday, Trump, who’s involved in several ongoing lawsuits himself, warned that a Clinton presidency would become a paralyzing parade of legal investigations.

“Nothing will get done, government will grind to a halt and our country will continue to suffer,” Trump said.

Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman who resigned in August, called the probe into his dealings with Russia and Ukraine an “outrageous smear” and added “there is nothing of my business activities to investigate.”

In a separate report, the Times also found that Trump may have used questionable — if not illegal — accounting tactics to avoid paying taxes in the 1990s, during the height of his financial struggles. He continues to be the only presidential nominee in recent history who refuses to release his tax returns.

[seemslikeadream]

Merry Christmas

FBI surprises again, shares files on Bill Clinton pardon of Marc Rich
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /93136458/

The FBI is now picking the President ...everyone loves the FBI now ...don't they?