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Uncle Moneybags

But the Tsarnaevs were driven more by the quest for a good living than by religious devotion, and when Ruslan immigrated to the United States in 1995, he quickly built a life that proved magnetic to the rest of his family. With a big house on a cul-de-sac in Montgomery Village and a salary in 2005 of $216,000, plus stock options, according to Securities and Exchange Commission filings, Ruslan was a shining model of what an immigrant could do in America.

Seven years after Ruslan began his U.S. ad­ven­ture, Anzor and family — they now had two sons and two daughters — left Central Asia and settled in Cambridge, where they had friends. Within four days of landing in their new world, Anzor was busy fixing cars. He told his brother he was making $10 an hour, even $100 a day — almost inconceivable money to a newcomer from Russia.

“He was excited,” Ruslan recalled. “He loved it.”

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Guive Rosen, 23, who was in several classes with Tamerlan, knew him as “a very goofy kid, a gentle-giant sort of person. . . . He liked to talk, always had his arm around your shoulders.” Rosen knew that Tamerlan was Muslim, but that was by no means a defining part of his persona. “It was a very minute detail about him,” Rosen said. “He didn’t impose any religious things on you, never talked about it.”

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The Tsarnaev family was a neighborhood nuisance, said Rinat Harel, a longtime neighbor. She and other neighbors called police five years ago when the two brothers would hold loud parties and drink late into the night in the courtyard.

The brothers were “just obnoxious teenage boys,” Harel said, but the father, a short, beefy fellow, was a constant irritant who regularly threw his trash in neighbors’ recycling bins despite being asked to stop, filled precious spaces in this parking-starved city with cars he was working on, and claimed a 10-minute loading zone as his all-day storage space.

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“We smoked,” said Peter Tenzin, Jahar’s wrestling co-captain during senior year. “Ninety-five percent of our school smoked. People are looking down on that about him, but that’s what we did.”

When Tenzin, now in college, thinks of Jahar, his mind fills with images of those long nights and so many fits of uncontrollable laughter.

“Jahar was a joker,” Tenzin said. Friends would tease Jahar, telling him that, given his smoking and drinking, some recent converts to Islam in his class were more Muslim than he was.

“He’d come back with a joke about blacks or Asians,” Tenzin said. “You have to understand — identity is always an issue in Cambridge.”

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Two days later, just hours before the shootout that would end Tamerlan’s life, he called Alvi, his estranged uncle. Tamerlan said nothing about the bombings, Alvi recalled, but wanted to apologize.

“I want to have an uncle, and I love you,” Tamerlan said.

“I love you, too, Tamerlan,” Alvi replied. “Now we can just be a family.”

Tamerlan asked for his uncle Ruslan’s number. “I just want to make peace with him,” the nephew said.

Ruslan said Tamerlan never called.

Now Ruslan looks forward to visiting his surviving nephew in prison; he would tell Jahar that there is still time for evil and hate to leave his body, that he is still loved.

Ruslan believes his family is not so different from many others. “We all think we know each other,” he said, “but in fact we don’t.”

Cross-posting from Facebook:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... agent.html

Did you know this? Did you hear about this? Doesn't this seem like the kind of interesting factoid that should be on the network evening news the very night it's discovered and confirmed? Breaking news? Why is it that the only remotely-legitimate outlet where one can find this story, is the freaking Daily Mail? It's not like it's merely rumor. Fuller himself publicly confirmed it. So why is it absent from every single mainstream or (note well!) alternative domain, be it newspaper, television, website...nope, nothing, nowhere, nada. Only to be found among the usual suspects within the tinfoil realm. Uncle Ruslan is practically a superstar at this point. The whole country is curious about him, cannot get enough news and gossip about him. He was married for four years to the daughter of -- not just "a CIA officer" as the Daily Mail depicts -- but at one point the Vice-fucking-Chairman of the National fucking Intelligence Council and the former National Intelligence Officer for Near East and South Asia. Not only that, but Uncle Tsarni fucking LIVED WITH this man. And, yet: You did not know this. Why? And no reputable media entity will touch it. Why? And it is only to be found in the swamp of conspiracy-theorizing Crazy Taboo Land, this very interesting bit of confirmed information. WHY? Do you have a good answer, to this good question? Is it just: Small world? This fucking small? Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Fuller

This might be the Achilles Heel for the Whichever Fucking Creeps Masterminded The Bombing.
They must have been really, really drunk or stupid or desperate. This cannot be "Script A" for them.
They clearly are in deep, deep shit. Up to and beyond their fucking eyeballs in deep shit.
Can we start thinking about cracking a fraction of a smile? They are fucked.

Next step is truly confirming the wife's father and grandfather. Wow, what deep shit, lol.

Boston Globe Has the New Official Story

Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis stayed at the race until 1:30. He was watching runners cross the finish line, but also surveying security measures at America’s oldest and most famous road race, including teams of dogs and more than 1,000 uniformed officers and soldiers.

“Be vigilant,” Davis told them in parting as he headed home to Hyde Park, to join a conference call on gun control convened by Vice President Joe Biden.

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Along the way, they put down their bags, paused several minutes, and left the scene. Four days later, one of the men would be standing on a street in East Watertown, firing a gun at police, shouting, “You want more? I give you more!”

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But the ultimate success of the investigators’ mission — the capture of the suspects, one alive and one dead — depended in equal parts on luck, the heroics of police and civilians, and the startling incompetence of the Tsarnaev brothers themselves. They may have figured out how to kill, but engineering a getaway seemed beyond them.

The siblings, in many ways, made it easy for investigators. Instead of fleeing the city in the chaotic aftermath, they stuck around, seemingly unconcerned that thousands of investigators were looking for them. It took three days for the FBI to cull and then release the crucial images of the suspects from thousands of hours of video. An hour before, Dzhokhar was still at his dorm at UMass Dartmouth.

Yet even with the seeming ineptitude of the suspected bombers, law enforcement officials didn’t know exactly who or where they were until Thursday night, after the Tsarnaevs allegedly began shooting at them in a quiet East Watertown neighborhood.

Acts of bravery were woven into the week’s fabric, from the carjacking victim who escaped from the terrorists when they stopped for gas to the Watertown police officer who faced off with Tamerlan Tsarnaev in a gunfight in the dead of night on Laurel Street, shooting at him from 12 feet away and then tackling him to the ground.

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Fearing a third bomb, he moved quickly to lock down the area, pushing people and police back away from the bomb sites while specialized teams swept the sea of debris. It was not the only incorrect assumption of the day: For a time, Davis and others erroneously suggested a mysterious fire at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum that broke out about the same time as the bombings was terror-related.

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As the night wore on, and investigators descended on hospitals to question witnesses, more and more average Bostonians joined the expanding quest for the bombers.

Investigators frantically searched for video. Kiva Kuan Liu, a Boston University graduate student, had been filming footage for a documentary near where the first bomb exploded. She was summoned to Tufts Medical Center around 10 p.m. to be interviewed. In a sterile hospital meeting room, Liu said, four investigators grilled her. When her memory failed her, they persisted.

“They were very picky about details,” said Liu, 23, who was not injured in the blast. Liu volunteered her Panasonic video camera, which she had borrowed from BU, but insisted they give her a phone number so she could get it back later.

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A grocery receipt recovered by police suggests that, shortly after the Marathon bombings, at least one of the brothers apparently bought groceries at a Whole Foods store in Cambridge, about a half-mile from their family home on Norfolk Street. A person with knowledge of the investigation said the FBI seized video surveillance equipment from the store on Prospect Street after finding a receipt in one of the brother’s pockets after Tamerlan was killed and Dzhokhar arrested.

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The blasts were so strong that some items, including the lid from a pressure cooker, were found on nearby roofs. Piecing together fragments, agents determined that the bombs were probably fashioned from pressure cookers, filled with nails and ball bearings to increase the carnage.

,,,

The suspect appeared to be resuming his normal life, unconcerned that he could be caught, working out at the gym instead of hiding or running.

“I’m a stress-free kind of guy,” he tweeted after midnight.

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Even after authorities isolated the images of the two suspected bombers, they weren’t able to pinpoint the suspects’ identities — an essential puzzle piece that was still missing Wednesday.

The FBI has poured millions of dollars into facial recognition technology over the years so it can quickly cross-check an image against millions of other pictures in government databases.

In this case, both brothers were already in existing government databases, including the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles and federal immigration records. They were legal immigrants from the former Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan, in theory allowing the FBI to find their names.

But it’s not clear which databases the FBI checked. And it may not have mattered. The pictures, taken from surveillance cameras above street level, were likely far too grainy when zoomed in on the brothers’ faces. And the older brother was wearing sunglasses, making their task even harder.

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If further proof was needed that the city was on edge, the anxiety soon spilled over into view. By 1 p.m., news reports began surfacing that a suspect had been not only identified but arrested, and was headed to the federal courthouse. Hundreds of reporters and photographers descended on the Moakley courthouse in South Boston. The Coast Guard and Boston Police Department Harbor Patrol patrolled nearby waters.

Relying on information from a source familiar with the investigation, the Globe posted a report online for a short time Wednesday that a suspect was in custody and en route to federal court. The FBI later issued a statement denying the arrest.

Inside, courthouse staff members, including some from the US attorney’s office, flocked to the emergency magistrate’s courtroom, anticipating a hearing, based on breaking news reports from the Associated Press, CNN, and others.

Court staff began discussing whether they should move the hearing to a larger courtroom with more seating, and whether to provide a live, closed-circuit feed to yet another courtroom, in anticipation of an overflow crowd. Watching the drama unfold on live television, the US attorney’s office denied the reports of an arrest, and called court officials to tell them there would be no hearing.

But by then, word of the arrest turned into an avalanche of chaos, silenced only by the “code red” that was broadcast over the intercom at 3:01 p.m. The building’s management company had received a bomb threat, and the US Marshals Service ordered an evacuation. Outside, judges mixed with members of the public who had come to catch a glimpse of the commotion.

It was a code none of the lawyers had heard before, and none of them knew what it meant. But they could tell from the seriousness in the announcer’s voice that something was up.

“This was different; this was louder,” Boston-based lawyer Jonathan Shapiro thought as he descended seven flights of stairs to exit the building. Outside, seeing the patrol boats with machine guns and the crowd in the streets, he was struck by the oddness of the moment.

“I’ve never seen anything like it,” he said.

After a sweep by federal agents, the area was cleared at 4:41 p.m., and courthouse employees were allowed back in.

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A key question, with game-changing consequences, was bearing down on the men in charge: to release the photos to the public or to hold them close?

The wrong move could be deadly. But with the bombers still at large, they had to decide soon.

In Boston, meanwhile, law enforcement leaders were debating their next step. State Police Chief Alben said FBI, Boston Police, and State Police leaders wrangled over whether to release the photos of the suspects. Everyone weighed in, but the final call was the feds’.

The potential payoff — a quick ID from a tipster — was huge, given that the bombers were still out there on the loose and could be plotting another attack. But the risks weighed heavily on them.

“There is a huge conundrum here that if you release the photos, if they haven’t fled the Boston area they are going to flee,” Alben said. “You would always prefer to identify them yourself. You always want to apprehend someone when you have control of the situation, not when someone has been tipped you’re coming through the door.”

Alben said investigators were also concerned that the media was publicizing video and photographs from the Marathon, wrongly identifying various people as suspects.

Still, Alben was worried about the decision to go public. “In my mind it was clear that even if someone [from the public] couldn’t identify them, [the suspects] would know we had them,” he said. “I was concerned they would flee the area or would go so far underground you never would be able to find them.”

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Dzhokhar had enjoyed three days of freedom since the bombings. But he and his brother Tamerlan had failed to prepare for what was coming, as if they had imagined investigators would never track them down.

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She wasn’t the only one to see Dzhokhar’s picture on TV and make a joke. One of his Twitter followers even sent him a copy of his image from the FBI pictures, writing, “Is this you? I didn’t know you went to the marathon!!!!”

The brothers’ sudden notoriety may have inspired their belated and desperate plan to escape to New York, where authorities now believe the brothers had drawn a bull’s-eye on their next target: Times Square, the fabled “Crossroads of the World.’’

But the brothers hadn’t set aside money or even a getaway car for the journey — they had to figure that the green Honda Civic Dzhokhar drove would soon be known to police. They were also seriously short on weapons — police recovered only one handgun and a BB gun that they could trace to the pair.

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In the fog of what would become a deadly and dangerous night, there were initial reports that Collier had been responding to a disturbance. That turned out to be wrong.

What actually happened was more cold-blooded, authorities said. Police officials have called it an assassination, an execution.

Authorities say video from a surveillance camera shows the suspects approaching Collier’s car from the rear as he sat in his cruiser. Collier was shot five times, including twice in the head, officials said.

“He didn’t stand a chance,’’ DiFava said.

The two bombing suspects allegedly tried to steal Collier’s weapon, but they couldn’t unlock it.

“The retention holster does its job well, so perhaps they didn’t get the gun because of that holster,’’ the MIT chief said. “Maybe that’s what thwarted them from getting the gun, because the gun was not removed from the holster.’’

Authorities say it is not clear why the Tsarnaevs were at MIT or why they targeted Collier.

“We have all kinds of unanswered questions,’’ DiFava said.

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Watertown Police Officer Joseph Reynolds’s midnight to 8 a.m. shift had barely begun when police frequencies erupted with news of abduction and mayhem next door in Cambridge.

“Wanted for carjacking that occurred in Cambridge, possibly related to the Cambridge incident,” said the State Police dispatcher, referring to the shooting at MIT. “Middle Eastern males, the victim stated they both had handguns … during the conversation, the victim gathered they were possibly heading to New York City.”

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But there was no time. The SUV took a sudden left turn from Dexter Avenue onto Laurel Street and came to an abrupt stop — right behind a second vehicle, the green Honda Civic that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had retrieved moments earlier. As Reynolds watched, one brother emerged from each car.

“The suspects get out and start shooting at Joe Reynolds,’’ said Dupuis.

The next four minutes may go down as the longest in Watertown history, as the two sides fired more than 250 bullets all told and the brothers hurled bombs, filling the night air with the stench of sulfur. When the smoke cleared, one bomber was dead, a police officer had been gravely wounded, houses were pockmarked with bullet holes and shrapnel, and an entire community was traumatized.

Officers who had been guarding the crime scene at MIT sped off to join the fight as soon as the Watertown dispatcher said, “Shots fired, all units respond.” Flashing blue and white lights of dozens of cruisers lit up the night as they converged on the bridges leading from Boston to Cambridge.

“There are [expletive] bombs, they’ve got [expletive] IEDs,” shouted one FBI agent as he ran through East Watertown toward the shoot-out. “Everyone get your [expletive] phones off. No phones. They’ve got IEDs,” referring to improvised explosive devices.

When the shooting started, Reynolds jammed his cruiser into reverse, trying to gain distance between him and his attackers. Moments later, help arrived as shift supervisor MacLellan rounded a corner in his black-and-white Ford Expedition and immediately had a bullet graze his front windshield.

The patrol supervisor jumped out of his car and took cover behind a tree at the corner of Dexter Avenue and Laurel Street. The Tsarnaevs, using the SUV now as a shield, continued to fire.

By now, Laurel Street slumbered no more, though at least one resident thought the growing commotion was caused by children playing with firecrackers.

Then the police officer screamed at the young men standing in the street, “Give up! There’s no way out! Give up!” as Kehayias and his wife, Loretta, watched.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, standing in front of the black Mercedes SUV parked in the middle of the street, brazenly taunted: “You want more? I give you more.”

The doors of the SUV were wide open as Dzhokhar reloaded the pistol and handed it to Tamerlan, Kehayias said. Dzhokhar then reached inside for a duffel bag.

Loretta Kehayias, a special education teacher in Cambridge, picked up the phone and called 911: “Do you people realize I believe there is a cop out here and there are two guys? . . . They’re shooting at him.”

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MacLellan returned to the Expedition, put it in neutral, and exploited the gentle incline of the street to push the vehicle toward the brothers, strobe lights on frenetic flash. He wanted the gunmen to think he was still in the Expedition so if the siblings fired at it, he might see them and get a clear shot.

More help arrived. Officer Miguel Colon, who joined the force with Reynolds in 2006, came around a corner and drew instant fire, one round shattering the spotlight on his cruiser.

As the Expedition rolled past her house, Lizzy Floyd crouched with her husband beneath a bedroom window on the second floor of their home, witnessing the startling bursts of gunfire and something more alarming. Floyd felt the neighborhood shake as the young men threw what appeared to be pipe bombs.

“We have them pinned down and they’re throwing explosives at us,” an officer reported, according to recordings of the scanner traffic that night.

At one point, Dzhokhar allegedly pulled out another pressure cooker bomb — like the ones they allegedly set off at the Marathon — and hurled it toward the police. The explosion created an instant bright yellow flash that turned the midnight darkness to day and knocked a framed photograph of a New Hampshire harborside off Floyd’s shelf.

One of the officers rushing to join the fight was Watertown Sergeant Jeffrey Pugliese, a 33-year veteran and a trained firearms instructor. His arrival would turn the tide.

Pugliese ran along the side of one house, through its back yard, jumped a chain-link fence and circled back, walking up a driveway to within 12 feet of the older Tsarnaev. The two men started shooting at each other.

“Sergeant Pugliese feels he hit the suspect a number of times,’’ said Dupuis, noting that Pugliese is an excellent shot. “If he says he hit him, he hit him. The suspect’s shooting and returns fire but he misses.’’

When Tamerlan ran out of ammunition, he threw his weapon at Pugliese, hitting him in the arm, Dupuis said. Tamerlan then tried to run, but Pugliese, with the aid of Reynolds and MacLellan, tackled him in the street and handcuffed him.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev may have injured himself in one of the blasts — he had what appeared to be shrapnel cuts on his neck and ear when he was captured — but that didn’t stop him. He jumped into the stolen SUV and started driving straight toward the three officers and Tamerlan.

“He’s coming toward us!’’ MacLellan yelled in time for the other officers to roll off Tamerlan at the last minute.

The SUV ran over Tamerlan Tsarnaev with a sickening thump. Blood pooled around him. Red streaks stained the pavement where Dzhokhar had dragged his older brother under the SUV.

“He was on his belly; he was moving,” said Jean MacDonald, who was watching from her second-floor bathroom window on Laurel Street. “I saw him trying to lift up his head.”

Police said Tsarnaev dragged his brother’s body about 30 feet.

“I could see the SUV headlights go up and then down when he drove over his brother,” said Rob Mullen of Laurel Street, who watched the gunfight unfold in disbelief.

Somehow, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev maneuvered the careening SUV between the two police cars on Laurel Street and sped off at 12:48 p.m. Wounded, he didn’t get far, abandoning the vehicle about half a mile away and setting off on foot.

“Police were heroic,” said Jane Dyson of Dexter Avenue. “They stood their ground. They did not retreat an inch.”

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In all the chaos, MBTA officer Richard H. Donohue Jr. had been shot near his groin, possibly by a fellow officer, and collapsed in a pool of blood at the corner of Dexter Avenue and Laurel Street. One civilian witness, who asked not to be identified, said there were police officers positioned behind Donohue and they appeared to be firing in his direction. The Middlesex district attorney’s office is investigating.



I can't even read the rest because the plot is so poorly written.

stickdog99 wrote:

Tamerlan didn't leave for Russia until January 2012. Do Russians generally wiretap US residents while they are living in the US? Does this come with or without the blessing of Homeland Security's Domestic Wiretapping Czar?

justdrew wrote:I would guess the tap was on the mother's end

The mother did not leave the US until Tamerlan got back from Russia.

He was in Dagestan earlier, though. They've stopped reporting all the details. But from way back on April 22::

• Older Boston Suspect Made Two Trips to Dagestan, Visited Radical Mosque, Officials Say
  
  Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/04/22/tsarna ... z2Rone5QbL
  Two years ago, while visiting his family in the Russian region of Dagestan, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the prime suspect in last week’s Boston Marathon bombings, was flagged as a potential extremist by Russian security services. The only evidence they had were his regular visits to a mosque that gets more than its share of attention from police. Since its construction in 2000, the mosque’s broad, emerald-colored dome has been the center of the region’s Salafi community, which adheres to a more orthodox brand of Islam and, over the years, has been a hangout for men killed in shootouts with Russia’s counterterrorism forces.
  
  According to a source close to the Russian security services who specializes in religious radicalism, Tsarnaev attended services at the mosque on Kotrova Street during both of the extended visits he made to Dagestan over the past two years. That is why Russia’s Federal Security Service, the agency better known as the FSB, sent a warning to the FBI in 2011 to be aware of Tsarnaev’s possible links to extremism.

(I'll just keep cross-posting from Facebook, good stuff from me there tonight)

A brief compilation of Graham Fuller information:
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.js ... ham_fuller

(Someone was left speechless by the Tsarni/Fuller story)

You might want to save a little speechlessness for when you find out the backgrounds of Katherine Russell Tsarnaev's father and grandfather. That is, if finding out that her dad was in Army Counter-Intelligence and her grandfather was a member of Skull & Bones is liable to make you grow even a little quieter, lol.

(This lineage above is confirmed, by the way. It's a true, verifiable story.)

(Someone sees nothing particularly connective about the Tsarni/Fuller story.)

I get it, I get why Tsarni living with his father-in-law Vice Chairman of the National Intelligence Council might be just a coincidental oddity. He is supposed to have had nothing at all to do with the Brothers Tsarnaev, so why should his background necessarily matter. Inferring a real connection between two entities just because one can draw a circuitous line between any two dots is a favorite pasttime among the deranged. I get that. The world is actually quite small. I get that. But again: THIS small? Does it not begin to stretch the credulity of even the most grounded and well-adjusted, this level of small-world-ness? Dot-connecting is often just a symptom of a confirmation bias, or worse a psychological disease, or worse a foul agenda. But it is also practiced, cautiously, tentatively, by everyday police. A major crime has been committed; suspects have been identified. No good detective would fail to examine the suspects' closest relatives, ponder an array of hypothetical motives.

(Someone notes that the timelines of Tsarni's marriage, Fuller's CIA career, and the Tsarnaev brothers' adulthoods do not intersect in a readily-apparent meaningful way to non-paranoid eyes.)

The record does not clearly indicate any substantive connection. (The record, however, is not always complete. The map is not the territory, as the saying goes.) But so then, is it not anyway a newsworthy item, worthy of at least a passing mention in at least one reputable publication in the world, mainstream or countercultural? Maybe even worth noting as an aside on the nightly news?

Here's a question. You are one of the most prominent CIA officers in the world. Your daughter just married a Chechen. Do you not proceed to vet the everloving shit out of that man? Find out everything about him and his family you can get your extremely-well-connected hands on? Your daughter not only married this likewise-well-connected Chechen, though. No, actually: You are living with him. You are Graham Fuller. Imagine not knowing who all your immediate in-laws are. I think it would take a great abandonment of common sense to imagine Fuller failing to perform that vetting. I think the more preposterous assumption here is that Fuller could ever be ignorant of his nephews-in-law, or that he would somehow cease being interested in them once his daughter divorced Tsarni.

(Lastly, an interesting development, infighting on the right. I like it.)

Shhh, don't tell any liberals, but Michelle Malkin is right about something, namely the hypocrisy of her fellow right-wingers who would shred the reputation of a leftist equivalent of Grover Norquist with similar financial ties to the former head of the ISBCC. Shhh, don't tell Michelle Malkin, but Norquist was the featured speaker at a Boston Common rally on April 13th.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/25/f ... n-bombing/

(I'm on a tablet, which makes it hard to use tags on big blocks of text, so if anyone feels the urge to copy and paste the entire text of any link I post, please do. I would myself, if I were on a desktop computer.)

Wait, did I miss something...the Brothers Tsarnaev's uncle was once the live in son in law of one of the top dogs in American intelligence? Huh.

It's kind of like how the guy that recommended George Tenet his job at the CIA and a Bush darling is head of a University(as well as the CIA station chief monitoring Mohamed Atta and the Hamburg cell)
where some of the alleged hijackers are living at. Or how the first victims of the anthrax attacks was the very tabloid ran by the people renting out the condo to some of the hijackers in Florida.
*IS* the world that small???

there's got to be a film in it, a cross between The Fockers and Arlington Road, part spoof, part killing joke

[urlhttp://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2013/apr/28/tamerlan-tsarnaev-misha-speaks/][/url]

New York Review of Books interviews Misha . Comments are interesting, conflicting and erudite .

8bitagent wrote:Wait, did I miss something...the Brothers Tsarnaev's uncle was once the live in son in law of one of the top dogs in American intelligence? Huh.
...


It's kind of like how the guy that recommended George Tenet his job at the CIA and a Bush darling is head of a University(as well as the CIA station chief monitoring Mohamed Atta and the Hamburg cell)
where some of the alleged hijackers are living at. Or how the first victims of the anthrax attacks was the very tabloid ran by the people renting out the condo to some of the hijackers in Florida.
*IS* the world that small???

yeah, 8bit, it is



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stickdog99 wrote:Connections between uncle & CIA absurd

Ex-CIA agent Graham Fuller denied any connections between the CIA and the Boston bombing suspects after reports surfaced about his daughter once being married to the suspects’ uncle, Ruslan Tsarni.

Fuller confirmed that his daughter, Samantha A. Fuller, was married to Ruslan for three to four years in the 1990s, when his surname was then spelled Tsarnaev.

Fuller, former CIA officer in Turkey and vice chairman of the National Intelligence Council, told Al-Monitor that internet rumors about “possible connections between Ruslan and the Agency through me are absurd.”

justdrew wrote:

stickdog99 wrote:Russian Newspaper Claims Tamerlan Attended a 2012 CIA Seminar

and their response...

A Note of Protest by the “Fund of Caucasus”
on the defamatory information about the act of terrorism in Boston published by the newspaper “Izvestia” on April 24, 2013

The “Fund of Caucasus” rejects the defamatory information published by the newspaper “Izvestia” about the possible recruitment of the North Caucasians for serving “in favor of Georgia and the USA”. The “Fund of Caucasus” has never organized either seminars or meetings for this reason.

The “Fund of Caucasus” rejects an acquaintance with Tamerlan Tsarnayev – a participant of Boston attack and has no information about his presence in Georgia.

The “Fund of Caucasus” rejects the accusation about being involved in promoting extremist intentions and encouraging destabilization in south regions of Russia.

These stories brought this scene to mind:



That would be men behind the curtain: Graham Fuller and Zbigniew Brzezinski.

You mangled the link tags, hiddenite, here it is again:

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/20 ... ha-speaks/

Don't neglect the comments, there are some great ones there, great questions.

Now it's just matter of time before this wet, runny bullshit disintegrates.
I mean, really, LMAO?

Oh, he was close to a family close to the family but...
He never visited the family and he never taught Tamerlan anything...
And, oh, he can neither confirm nor deny what the relationship was...
And, by the way, did I tell you about his "American" girlfriend?
(Misha, too? Damn, these radical Muslims get all the ladies.)
Oh, and it's totally normal for the NYRB to get this scoop.

Riiiiiiiiiight.

Is this the guy that Raimondo fingered? [Googling...hold on...]
And...nope.

http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/04/23/mikh ... -rasputin/

And now he have this, from the Russian press, the supposedly "real" radicalizer:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... jihad.html

smiths wrote:there's got to be a film in it, a cross between The Fockers and Arlington Road, part spoof, part killing joke

Jennifer Lopez On Boston Bombing: A Cinematographic Adaptation Of The Tragic Events Could Be 'Interesting' (VIDEO)

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/minding_ru ... estan.html

The original and complete Novaya Gazeta article , from which the Telegraph and NY Times built their stories.

0_0 wrote:

smiths wrote:there's got to be a film in it, a cross between The Fockers and Arlington Road, part spoof, part killing joke

Jennifer Lopez On Boston Bombing: A Cinematographic Adaptation Of The Tragic Events Could Be 'Interesting' (VIDEO)

I swear to christ, I will lead a national campaign to shame and expose her and/or anyone who tries to butcher the events into some schmaltzy pro-establishment glossy dogshit, including her assfaced ex Affleck, I would absolutely love to have a good excuse to ridicule and ruin him on national stage so mercilessly that he'd wish he had never left Cambridge and was just a bartender in Davis Square, living with his mom, etc. If that dick tries to make a movie about it, it had better be good and unorthodox and reasonably-true, as true as the WTF-ness we're still fishing for on this board can be ascertained.