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Grizzly » Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:32 pm wrote:Is it possible that creepy Joe's mumblings and bumblings are an act or tactic and he's going to come off articulate and witty and smart in a public debate or interaction or series of interactions with the cheeto?

JackRiddler wrote:After 2008, the Republicans, as a logical consequence of how they intentionally developed their party and program over a period of about 50 years (since Goldwater and Civil Rights, more or less) generated a thing their PR wing (and the obedient corporate media) called the Tea Party, which consisted mainly of their existing base under new branding. I mean sure, it started as a sort of grassroots thing, but the party ate it right up and shat it out as a nationally coordinated campaign run by the party's main money backers. Since that worked to regenerate their vote after Obama's first win, they openly became this thing, which they already were in the first place.

Which outcome do you see provides the better conditions for fighting, such as they are?

Official Drinking Game, "The Speech Joe Biden Has Been Preparing For His Entire Life" Edition
Start your livers.

Matt Taibbi

I watched Biden speak probably a half-dozen times during the primary campaign, and perhaps a half-dozen times before. He has definite tendencies, and his stump speech hits the same six or seven notes every time, but convention addresses are different. Every line, every word, will be scripted. There shouldn’t be ad-libs, freak-outs at hecklers, etc.

Guessing what an unscripted Joe Biden will do at any given moment is pretty interesting. Here we’re basically trying to guess what Biden and his handlers have decided to put on a teleprompter.

Biden will be speaking sometime after 9 p.m. I will be live-streaming with Katie Halper starting at 8:45 p.m. You can join the chat here.

Drink EVERY TIME:

Biden says, “Folks.”

Biden says, “The United States of America.” Double-shots for any multiple-America construction, e.g. “The best America is an America where Americans believe in the American dream.”

Biden says, “Middle-class.”

Biden says, “Get up!” as in, “Folks, you’ve got to get up! This is the United States of America!”

Biden says, “You guys.”

Biden says, “Barack” or references the “Obama-Biden administration.”

Biden says, “Soul of America.”

Biden points out a surprising percentage of something, e.g. “Look, folks, seventy-four percent of venture capital goes to four cities.”

Biden says, “My Mom used to say” or mentions one of his father’s relatable jobs, e.g. “He sold a hell of a lot of cars!”

Biden makes a self-deprecating joke about his age or his tendency to say puzzling things.

Biden finishes a section of his speech with a rhetorical flourish, and he sounds angry, and you can’t tell why, because he’s talking about something non-angering.

Biden tells a story about a rewarding interaction with an ordinary person, as in, “I walk over to the guy up in the bucket. And there’s seven guys around him, all with hard hats on. I yelled up and said, ‘Hey, man, thanks!’”

Biden references a job you’ve never heard of, as in “Why is a sandwich maker being forced to sign a non-compete clause?”

Biden says “systemic.”

Biden tells us there’s nothing we can’t accomplish.

Drink the FIRST TIME only:

Biden begins a sentence with, “Look.”

Biden mentions Scranton.

Biden says something that sounds sort of inappropriate.

You may FINISH THE BOTTLE or QUIT if Biden combines any four of the above in one sentence, e.g. “Look, folks, we’ve got to get up if we’re going to be the kind of America we know America can be.”

“Malarkey,” as always, is an automatic drink.

Again, apologies to Substack subscribers. Back to grownup content soon.

Take small sips and hydrate. Good luck, America!

Belligerent Savant » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:14 pm wrote:.

Which outcome do you see provides the better conditions for fighting, such as they are?

Frankly, I can't say. Arguably, we're moving towards overt fascism (as opposed to our current state of covert fascism, kicked off in earnest shortly after 9 1 1) regardless of outcome, but a win by Trump may well get us there faster.

But there are factors that transcend standard R and D narratives; and then: R and D complicity in pushing policy that further devalue 'quality of life' for most (particularly in the area of healthcare). Whatever the outcome of the next ~year, I can comfortably say both Establishment parties will be actively responsible.

Standard methods of prediction are out the window in these unprecedented times.

http://archive.is/yRJ8b#selection-4099.0-4189.265

Biden-Linked Firm Tests Messages to Undercut ‘Medicare for All’
By Sahil Kapur
Monday, September 23, 2019 17:35:26

Candidates split on system that abolishes private insurance
Claims about cost seen as most effective with voters


A new poll by a firm linked to Joe Biden is testing messages designed to undercut support among Democrats for Medicare for All, one of the most contentious issues splitting the party’s top presidential contenders.

The survey, commissioned by the centrist Democratic think tank Third Way, found that primary voters start off favoring the government-run health care system by a margin of 79% to 21%, but can be persuaded to oppose it. The study showed that Democrats are most swayed by the arguments that the program would impose a heavy cost on taxpayers and threaten Medicare for senior citizens.

The poll was conducted by Lisa Grove of Anzalone Liszt Grove Research. Her partner, John Anzalone, is the chief pollster and an adviser to Biden, who opposes Medicare for All and wants to make government-run insurance optional.

Biden’s main rivals, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, support Medicare for All, which would eliminate private insurance and create a system modeled on Medicare that automatically covers all Americans.

The survey found that Democrats are most swayed to oppose Medicare for All when told it would cost American taxpayers $3.2 trillion per year: 51% of Democratic primary voters said they found that argument convincing, while 43% said they did not.

The poll also found that 51% of Democratic voters said the argument that it would “end Medicare as we know it” was convincing, while 53% said the claim that it would lower quality of care for seniors was convincing. And 51% said the argument that Medicare for All could expand wait times and limit access to medical specialists was convincing.

Sanders, the author of a Medicare for All bill pending in Congress, has been upfront about the high cost but he and Warren have both argued that most Americans would come out financially ahead because their health care costs would drop. They argue that a single insurance plan would be the most cost-effective way to care for all Americans, while allowing everyone to see their provider of choice.

Notably, Democratic voters in the ALG Research survey were less swayed by the fear of losing private employer-based coverage — 45% said that argument was convincing while 49% said it was not.

The study conducted last month surveyed 813 Democratic primary voters in the election as part of an overall sample of 1,800 likely voters. It found that most general election voters also start off favoring Medicare for All but that support diminishes once they hear arguments against it.
Jim Kessler, Third Way’s executive vice president for policy, said the poll shows that President Donald “Trump is deeply underwater on health care and the only lifeline that could pull him to shore is Medicare for All.”

The messages tested in the poll echo arguments made by Republicans against Medicare for All. Democrats are split on whether the proposal would be a liability in a general election or whether it would boost the party’s hopes of defeating Trump by galvanizing voters.

This is unbelievable. Same exact speech.