Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:45 pm
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For all the slights that can be leveled against geologists/scientists listed in that site (and their potential/would-be underlying aims), the same applies (perhaps even more so now, given current momentum/backing) with current "climate change" agendas supported by WEF, Blackrock (and its ESG offshoots), et al.
Dominant talking points on 'climate change', as presented to the public -- namely, that it poses a drastic and imminent threat to livelihoods/sustainability -- is simply not compelling when stripped of its marketing gloss, and further, the notion that any current fluctuations are due to CO2 emissions (or at least, CO2 emissions by everyday, common human activities) as the primary culprit does not hold up to sober scrutiny. And lastly, the popular (marketed) solutions involving solar/wind tech (without any other energy resources involved to support/assist, such as gas, oil, or nuclear), are decidedly not nearly as green, sustainable, efficient, cheap, or minimally obtrusive to the environment as proclaimed, let alone feasible in a practical sense.
We can aim to cast stones at the messengers (from either side) all we want, but what is the unvarnished data -- and not merely models, which are often sub-par predictors -- actually showing?
Be that as it may, there are compelling data points being put forward in the summary (and also in the pdf shared a ~couple pages back).DrEvil » Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:15 am wrote:Guus Berkhout has worked for the oil industry most of his career. He might be a little biased.
The "over 1100 scientists and professionals" are just that - a random (actually not random, self-selected) collection of people, possibly with degrees and probably some expertise in whatever the hell they do for a living (like me being a professional cashier when I worked at a store), most of them irrelevant to the field of climate research. This is just more of the same old nonsense. Experts in completely different fields have strong opinions on things their expertise doesn't cover. I mean, would you pay attention if a group of people with degrees in geology, programming and finance suddenly started having strong opinions on the intricacies of brain surgery? Would you for even a second think that their opinions were better informed, or more likely to be correct, than those of actual brain surgeons?
Here's the first twenty names on their list:
1. Ian Plimer, Professor Earth Sciences (he's a geologist), The University of Melbourne; WCD Ambassador
2. Viv Forbes, Geologist with Special Interest in Climate, Founder of http://www.carbon-sense.
com, Queensland, Australia; WCD Ambassador
3. D. Weston Allen, Physician and Medical Director of Kingscliff Health, New South
Wales, Author of a number of Climate-related papers
4. Don Andersen, Retired Teacher, Programmer
5. David Archibald, Research Scientist
6. Michael Asten, Retired Professor in Geophysics and Continuing Senior Research
Fellow at the Monash University, Melbourne
7. József Balla, retired teacher and manager of a small business
8. Stuart Ballantyne PhD, Senior Ship Designer, Sea Transport Corp.
9. Jeremy Barlow, Energy and Mining professional, Director and CEO
10. Dr. Colin M. Barton, Geologist, Retired Civil Engineer with Experience in Project
Control, Research and Professional Training, Honorary Fellow RMIT University
Australia
11. Gordon Batt, Director GCB Investments Pty Ltd.
12. Maxwell Charles S. Beck, lifetime of experience in law, retired Magistrate and Coroner
on the bench
13. Robert M. Bell, Retired Geologist, Victoria
14. Richard Blayden, Professional Engineer (not just an engineer mind you, a professional engineer. These people have standards!)
15. Colin Boyce, Engineer, Member of Parliament, Queensland State Parliament, Engineer,
Farmer and Entrepreneur (he's twice the engineer you'll ever be!)
16. Howard Thomas Brady, Member Explorers Club of New York, Member of the
Australian Academy of Forensic Sciences
17. Geoff Brown, Organizer of a Critical Climate Group (I've organized stuff too. Does that mean I can be on the list?)
18. Andrew Browne, Exploration Geoscientist, Fellow AusIMM (CP), 50 Years Global
Experience
19. Frank Brus, holds a B. Comm from UNSW, spent most of his working life with the
Electricity Commission of NSW
20. Ernest Buchan, Chartered Engineer MIET, Kardinya, W. Austral
And so on and so on. There's a hell of a lot of no climate scientists on that list. Lots of geologists though. Might have something to do with the fossil fuel industry employing so many of them.
For all the slights that can be leveled against geologists/scientists listed in that site (and their potential/would-be underlying aims), the same applies (perhaps even more so now, given current momentum/backing) with current "climate change" agendas supported by WEF, Blackrock (and its ESG offshoots), et al.
Dominant talking points on 'climate change', as presented to the public -- namely, that it poses a drastic and imminent threat to livelihoods/sustainability -- is simply not compelling when stripped of its marketing gloss, and further, the notion that any current fluctuations are due to CO2 emissions (or at least, CO2 emissions by everyday, common human activities) as the primary culprit does not hold up to sober scrutiny. And lastly, the popular (marketed) solutions involving solar/wind tech (without any other energy resources involved to support/assist, such as gas, oil, or nuclear), are decidedly not nearly as green, sustainable, efficient, cheap, or minimally obtrusive to the environment as proclaimed, let alone feasible in a practical sense.
We can aim to cast stones at the messengers (from either side) all we want, but what is the unvarnished data -- and not merely models, which are often sub-par predictors -- actually showing?
















