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Mason I Bilderberg » 02 Jul 2013 09:46 wrote:

Jerky » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:37 pm wrote:Mason I Bilderberg, you're behaving like an ass in this thread.

YOPJ

It's not about me. It's about what Icke believes and whether the people on this forum believe Icke.

MIB

I've seen self-described skeptics behave with far more religious zeal than many of their targets. Being a skeptic doesn't inoculate you against common human foibles. That said, let's return the discussion, and the passion, to a focus on content rather than posters.

Welcome to RI.

Mason I Bilderberg » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:48 pm wrote:

seemslikeadream » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:33 pm wrote:

Mason I Bilderberg » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:31 pm wrote:

seemslikeadream » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:04 pm wrote:do you believe in climate change?

It's impossible to disagree with the phrase "climate change." The climate has been changing every second of every day since the day the earth was created.

So, my answer must be "yes," i believe the climate continues to change - as it has been changing for billions of years.

MIB

so it is not caused by humans whatsoever? and we can not do anything about it?

Whatsoever? Rocks affect weather to some degree. Everything affects the weather. Everything.

But let's stick to Icke, shall we?

MIB

of course that's why your here no doubt....the thread title was just perfect for you....the link for HAARP is in the right hand lower corner

so you don't believe in global warming? And we can't do anything about it? It is really good to have a website to go to and see what you're all about...even though you don't want to answer my questions about your views... since you are new here I like to know your opinion on things....ya know get to know where you're coming from?

Mason I Bilderberg » 02 Jul 2013 18:52 wrote:

slimmouse » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:37 pm wrote:MIB, you are clearly no idiot.

What I hope you will do therefore, is leave this thread for a while, and have a cruise around a few others.

You don't have to believe in shapeshifiting reptilians and you'll find yourself amidst some really bright people.

You expressed a desire for a transcript of Ickes words so as to allow us to focus better. I provided specific references to Icke's words and beliefs.

What is your opinion of Icke's words and beliefs that i referenced?

MIB

You actually ask some very interesting questions. Could I ask you to post them one by one for me, on the understanding that after I respond, I get your own thoughts ?

You might have also noticed, that Ive answered one. So you owe me already

seemslikeadream » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:18 pm wrote:

Mason I Bilderberg » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:48 pm wrote:

seemslikeadream » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:33 pm wrote:

Mason I Bilderberg » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:31 pm wrote:

seemslikeadream » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:04 pm wrote:do you believe in climate change?

It's impossible to disagree with the phrase "climate change." The climate has been changing every second of every day since the day the earth was created.

So, my answer must be "yes," i believe the climate continues to change - as it has been changing for billions of years.

MIB

so it is not caused by humans whatsoever? and we can not do anything about it?

Whatsoever? Rocks affect weather to some degree. Everything affects the weather. Everything.

But let's stick to Icke, shall we?

MIB

of course that's why your here no doubt....the thread title was just perfect for you....the link for HAARP is in the right hand lower corner

so you don't believe in global warming? And we can't do anything about it? It is really good to have a website to go to and see what you're all about...even though you don't want to answer my questions about your views... since you are new here I like to know your opinion on things....ya know get to know where you're coming from?

If we're looking at the same HAARP link, it points to http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/ which appears to be down. I assume haarp.alaska.edu is having server issues and that's why the link is dead. Who knows, maybe HAARP itself is causing the outage!! (cue spooky music).

Talking about me distracts from the issue at hand. I'm here to discuss Icke. I've pointed to specific assertions and beliefs made by Icke in this video (here and here) and I'd like to find somebody who agrees with him on these points.

Anybody?

MIB

Mason I Bilderberg » 02 Jul 2013 11:38 wrote:
I'd like to find somebody who agrees with him on these points.

For what purpose? You could just as easily go through those points and state plainly your own views, without the entreaty. If someone responds, they respond, if not, you've said your piece.

I just find your website the complete antithesis of what Jeff Wells started here at RI and I am not very fond of your views on climate or James Randi among other things so when you show up here I believe I have the right to know where you are coming from in order to better understand your posts at RI.....Rigorous Intuition ....not debunk central

slimmouse » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:21 pm wrote:

Mason I Bilderberg » 02 Jul 2013 18:52 wrote:

slimmouse » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:37 pm wrote:MIB, you are clearly no idiot.

What I hope you will do therefore, is leave this thread for a while, and have a cruise around a few others.

You don't have to believe in shapeshifiting reptilians and you'll find yourself amidst some really bright people.

You expressed a desire for a transcript of Ickes words so as to allow us to focus better. I provided specific references to Icke's words and beliefs.

What is your opinion of Icke's words and beliefs that i referenced?

MIB

You actually ask some very interesting questions. Could I ask you to post them one by one for me, on the understanding that after I respond, I get your own thoughts ?

You might have also noticed, that Ive answered one. So you owe me already

Question: Do you believe alien-human hybrids exist?

Specific references:

• In a 60 second soundbite from [url=xxxxxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faWw6RxLwg8]the video[/url], beginning at 7:51, Icke asserts the following:
  • • 7:51 - [begin]
    • 8:20 - Ancient knowledge was brought by the Annunnaki (aliens)
    • 8:44 - The Annunnaki interbred with humans to create a hybrid race.
  In an 8 second clip beginning at 9:50 Icke says an alien race interbred with humanity.

Question: Do you believe alien-human hybrids exist?

MIB

slimmouse » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:23 pm wrote:

Mason I Bilderberg » 02 Jul 2013 17:08 wrote: In the video, between the times 6:55 - 7:55, Icke tells a story about a CIA guy who has to wear a sachet filled with a golden liquid. His body had been manipulated to require this drug to survive. If the patch (sachet) and the liquid are not replaced every 72 hours, this CIA agent begins to die.

Do you believe this story?

MIB

I think the politest way to put it , is that I was never once quite as convinced of the story related by the source as David Icke was. But of course I wasnt there listening to it.

I would say that that was not only polite, but also gracious and even generous. Although I myself don't believe that story and have very serious concerns about what I see as the potential for abuse and exploitation that's attached to it.

Good for you, slim.

(COMPLETELY CONCEDING SLAD'S POINT, WHICH IS COMPLETELY SOUND IN PRINCIPLE:

That's: "I have very serious concerns about those things just as I do about all faith-based hierarchical systems that operate primarily on a just-trust-me-I'm-an-enlightened-leader basis," btw.

So as far as the question raised here (about why some stuff (such as Catholicism) is not considered bizarre while other loosely equivalent stuff is) goes, the simple answer is:

It's culturally determined. And I don't think any sensible person disputes that.

There are more complex answers, too, but since real circumstances do count when it comes to evaluating such things, it's kind of a case-by-case thing.

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ON EDIT: Breaking into two posts, for length and ease.

Project Willow » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:48 pm wrote:

Mason I Bilderberg » 02 Jul 2013 11:38 wrote:
I'd like to find somebody who agrees with him on these points.

For what purpose? You could just as easily go through those points and state plainly your own views, without the entreaty. If someone responds, they respond, if not, you've said your piece.

I'll take that as you not believing in human-alien hybrids.

MIB

Project Willow wrote:

Mason I Bilderberg » 02 Jul 2013 09:46 wrote:

Jerky » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:37 pm wrote:Mason I Bilderberg, you're behaving like an ass in this thread.

YOPJ

It's not about me.

True.

It's about what Icke believes

Yes.

and whether the people on this forum believe Icke.

Oh, is it really.

Are you saying that the individual beliefs of other people are properly a subject of general public concern to the point that demanding they come clean about what you suspect they believe is an A-OK thing to do?

^^That's a yes-or-no question. So if the reply doesn't answer it "yes" or "no," it's not an answer. It's just a reply. Also, just to save a step:

No. I am not demanding that you come clean about what you believe. I'm asking you to explain on what grounds you think something you said is true. That thing being this bolded part of what you wrote here:

It's about what Icke believes and whether the people on this forum believe Icke.

(I'd say "no," personally.)

seemslikeadream » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:56 pm wrote:I just find your website the complete antithesis of what Jeff Wells started here at RI and I am not very fond of your views on climate or James Randi among other things so when you show up here I believe I have the right to know where you are coming from in order to better understand your posts at RI.....Rigorous Intuition ....not debunk central

Is there confusion? I'm here because my video became a topic of conversation. Many people support Icke. He fills large venues. I'm curious to know how an Icke supporter squares Icke's more bizarre beliefs (alien-human hybrids, human sacrifices, etc.) with their own.

All cult-like leaders fascinate me.

MIB

Mason I Bilderberg » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:01 pm wrote:

Project Willow » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:48 pm wrote:

Mason I Bilderberg » 02 Jul 2013 11:38 wrote:
I'd like to find somebody who agrees with him on these points.

For what purpose? You could just as easily go through those points and state plainly your own views, without the entreaty. If someone responds, they respond, if not, you've said your piece.

I'll take that as you not believing in human-alien hybrids.

MIB

And there you go.

Because I take that as an unwarranted, aggressive show of interest in what individuals believe that's very nearly completely devoid of reason, in that you appear to be taking it (literally) on faith that such details as the value and meaning those beliefs have for them are either (a) immaterial; or (b) somehow better known to you than to them.

So I must be misunderstanding you. Please forgive me. Why this tremendous focus on whether people believe what Icke says? Rather than on what he says?

compared2what? » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:03 pm wrote:

Project Willow wrote:

Mason I Bilderberg » 02 Jul 2013 09:46 wrote:

Jerky » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:37 pm wrote:Mason I Bilderberg, you're behaving like an ass in this thread.

YOPJ

It's not about me.

True.

It's about what Icke believes

Yes.

and whether the people on this forum believe Icke.

Oh, is it really.

Are you saying that the individual beliefs of other people are properly a subject of general public concern to the point that demanding they come clean about what you suspect they believe is an A-OK thing to do?

^^That's a yes-or-no question. So if the reply doesn't answer it "yes" or "no," it's not an answer. It's just a reply. Also, just to save a step:

No. I am not demanding that you come clean about what you believe. I'm asking you to explain on what grounds you think something you said is true. That thing being this bolded part of what you wrote here:

It's about what Icke believes and whether the people on this forum believe Icke.

(I'd say "no," personally.)

Semantics, distraction, straw man, false choices, answering a question with a question . . .

My video showed up here. I'm curious how Icke supporters (if there are any) can square their support of Icke with his more bizarre assertions (specifically, human-alien hybrids exist and run the world). That's all there is to it. If you're not an Icke supporter, my curiosity doesn't apply to you.

MIB

Mason I Bilderberg » 02 Jul 2013 13:11 wrote:

seemslikeadream » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:56 pm wrote:I just find your website the complete antithesis of what Jeff Wells started here at RI and I am not very fond of your views on climate or James Randi among other things so when you show up here I believe I have the right to know where you are coming from in order to better understand your posts at RI.....Rigorous Intuition ....not debunk central

Is there confusion? I'm here because my video became a topic of conversation. Many people support Icke. He fills large venues. I'm curious to know how an Icke supporter squares Icke's more bizarre beliefs (alien-human hybrids, human sacrifices, etc.) with their own.

All cult-like leaders fascinate me.

MIB

Just because people listen to him doesn't mean that many actually "believe" much of what he says as "fact" - one could interpret the interest in his schtick as a normal human interest in story telling, aka folk tales. It would have an influence on people, but not the same way as fully "believing" it would. On the one hand I think his mythology contributes positively to a generalized skepticism regarding the "powers that be" while unfortunately also dis-empowering the individuals to really effect positive reform.

Conspiracy Theories Debunked....this link doesn't work either


I'd really like to know what other conspiracy theories you're debunking....this is not about you personally it's where you are coming from. like having a link to James Randi on your site tells me some but I'd like to know more....see some of us here have been at RI for a very very long time...we know each other extremely well and I can only speak for myself but someone just showing up one day and start asking a bunch of questions basically demanding answers is kinda impolite....I don't mind some of my fellow RIers holding my feet to the fire (even though I throw a hissy fit now and then) but a stranger just shows up and feels he is entitled is quite another situation...it's one thing to take some grief from AD it's another from someone I don not know at all. I love everyone here I've known them for years .....you've been here one day You are a stranger don't be put off because you are being treated like one