rigorousintuition.ca

per mr. wells"

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Actually that's not true. The link I posted above is to the complete video; it's been available online for a couple of years (since it's release).'

thanks! (i pretty much stink at the internet thing, thankfully everyone else in my family is a geek and they take pity upon me........)

when i was at the release, the 'vibe' i remember was more of the 'try to support this work through donating/purchasing what you can' as opposed to 'get this out there no matter what!', for what its worth. also, i think the typical media hype is more in tune with 'hey' wow! exploding buildings! secret conspiracy! young computer guys making a story that become the story!'. it's snazzier and fits the horatio alger anyone can climb to the top of the US society theme.

let's face it, jeff, widows wanting to know who murdered their husbands, well, its just depressing, really, don't you think its time for the nation to heal, and get closure, and just move on? i mean, keeping track of all those dates and names and government agencies.........its so boring.

more or less pathetic, but i think that is where a lot of u.s. society is at.

Jeff wrote:

chrisc wrote:I just found this site via the latest post on the 9/11 Cult Watch blog... hello everyone

Welcome, Chris!

Here's the post:

March 20, 2008
Rigorous? Naah, let's see what's on YouTube!

It seems 9/11 Cultwatch is very much the centre of attention these days!

Over at the website Rigorous Intuition, 9/11 truthers appear to have got a tad excited at the fact this blog mentions reading Rudolph Giuliani's book "Leadership". After all, studying primary sources is, by and large, an alien concept to 'truth' activists.

Poster orz though, did respond with this rather heavy blow:

"Yes, because we all know true 9/11 researchers wouldn't stoop so low as to read Giuliani's book when researching Giuliani. Why can't these spooky spooks just watch recontextualised interview clips on youtube like any reasonable and intelligent person would?"

You took the words right out of our mouth!

Gee, the disinfo site uses disinfo tactics to defend itself. No surprise.

orz' comment they repeated was so absurd the first time I ignored it.
But the disinfoteers waved it like a flag. No surprise.

And their link to RI was to the main page, not this thread.
Otherwise people would more easily find my MULTIPLE exposures of their disinfo and links to disinfo promoting spook shills like the NIST and Chip Berlet.

Pity that any info in this thread is diluted by umpteen pages of spat.
Mission accomplished, "Cult Watch."

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:[
And their link to RI was to the main page, not this thread.
Otherwise people would more easily find my MULTIPLE exposures of their disinfo

Gee, do I sense a little resentment here?

I'm guessing they didn't quote you because your theories are too batshit insane.

orz' comment they repeated was so absurd the first time I ignored it.

It was sarcastic, how can it possibly be characterised as "absurd"? That makes no sense.

Absurdamundo. Totally.

What was with the chocolates, again?

I studied the site and it's like the gene-spliced mutant offspring of the Socialist Workers Party and JREF. Arrogant leftie fucksticks meet self-inflated skeptical windbags and hump

Searcher08 wrote:I studied the site and it's like the gene-spliced mutant offspring of the Socialist Workers Party and JREF. Arrogant leftie fucksticks meet self-inflated skeptical windbags and hump

what I was saying 12 pages ago. I could give a shit about CD. Their site still reeks.

A lot of people are misrepresenting this, inadvertently.

Some say "how about a real discussion?" Use the search function. You will find many dozens of pages on threads on these very forums wherein dedicated and sincere folk like Isachar, JD and stickdog99, to name but a few, have produced masses of evidence, frankly fit to convince anyone those towers didnt fall by aircraft impacts and fires alone, and that the NIST and other "official" explanation(s) are not only enormously, fatally, flawed, but also fundamentally dishonest, in their premises, methodologies and conclusions (see bottom of this post.)

The acrimony erupting here, as I said, will seem a trifle perplexing unless you understand the long and detailed history this subject has had on these forums.

Orz and nomo's position is that people should not look at the skyscrapers' collapses, that to do so is ridiculous, and a waste of time, and that therefore the entire 911 truth movement is filled with idiots spouting garbage. Which, strangely, seems to be Jeff's position too.

I don't mind agreeing to disagree, but I don't like venomous attacks on "cd" proponents and researchers, or the ridiculing of the entire truth movement based on focussing on the deliberately ludicrous assertions of pod people, no planers, and tv fakery types. It's all deliberate disinfo. The astute observer will of course notice that professional hit pieces in the mockingbird media adopt the exact same tactics.

Jeez.

Keep on reading and learning people.

Here's a simple question for orz and Nomo (edited Jeff's name out of this question. Fourthbase is surely correct in asserting that Jeff would answer a frank and wholehearted "yes" to the following);

Do you think the 911 attacks could be reasonably characterised, either in part or in whole, as an "inside job?"

Or, to be more specific; did those responsible for the attacks have assistance from within the, well, lets say the anglo-american-west european intelligence agencies and their allies amongst the super-rich elite of the wealthy middle eastern oil states and global organised crime, without which the attacks could not have enjoyed the "success" they did, in order to further the large scale geo-political agendas I already mentioned? By which I mean the introduction of police state panopticon dept. of pre-crime legislation at home, and criminal wars of conquest, regime change and resource control abroad.

Just so we all know where we stand. Of course you are perfectly free to ignore these questions, rephrase them, assert them irrelevant or meaningless, or obfuscate, hedge or dissemble. You are also free to joke, quip, insult or deride. Take your pick.

And, well I've got be helpful and give all you nice folks the background to this wee spat. So, I would encourage everyone to check out the following links. It's a holiday weekend aint it? All these links are extremely relevant background to this thread, and a pretty interesting read into the bargain;

Dutch company says Controlled Demoliton for bldg 7

The Latest on Melted Steel

most effective weapon of COINTELPRO is Ridicule & Debunk

Manuel Garcia: "elastic waves" caused wtc collapse

CD of WTC-7 a hoax? Prove it.

Proof of Shaped charges in WTC 9/11

Structural Engineering Prof on WTC Collapse Anomalies

Dr Steven E. Jones' WTC Power Point Presentation

Jeff's It's the Real Thing Post

9-11 Trolls--how they act who funds 'em?

If you read all those threads you will have learned something.

Just so we all know where we stand.

I have tried to explain where I stand many times but people always wilfully misinterpret what I say and/or take it personally.

Besides nobody has any obligation to explain themself or offer an opinion on 9/11. It's legitimate to criticise the 9/11 truth movement's many shortcomings without coming up with better 'theories' or solutions.

Hammer of Los wrote:Orz and nomo's position is that people should not look at the skyscrapers' collapses, that to do so is ridiculous, and a waste of time, and that therefore the entire 911 truth movement is filled with idiots spouting garbage. Which, strangely, seems to be Jeff's position too.

Talk about misrepresenting.

I don't mind agreeing to disagree, but I don't like venomous attacks on "cd" proponents and researchers, or the ridiculing of the entire truth movement based by focussing on the deliberately ludicrous assertions of pod people, no planers, and tv fakery types. It's all deliberate disinfo. The astute observer will of course notice that professional hit pieces in the mockingbird media adopt the exact same tactics.

Never mind disinfo, how about your misinfo...
That's not why people here ridicule the Truthers.

Jeez.

Keep on reading and learning people.

How about you re-read the shit you're misrepresenting?

Do you think the 911 attacks could be reasonably characterised, either in part or in whole, as an "inside job?" ie did the hijackers have assistance from within the, well, lets say, the anglo-american-west european intelligence agencies and their allies amongst the super-rich elite of the wealthy middle eastern oil states and global organised crime, without which the attacks could not have enjoyed the success they did, in order to further the large scale geo-political agendas I already mentioned. By which I mean the introduction of police state panopticon dept. of pre-crime legislation at home, and criminal wars of conquest, regime change and resource control abroad.

Just so we all know where we stand.

Give me a fucking break, I can understand being wary of nomo and I've more or less forced him before to answer pretty much the same question for the same reason, because I thought he was far too "square" for this forum...and actually I have no idea anymore what orz thinks because all I've seen him as for the last year is the anti-Hugh...but Jeff? You think there's a chance in fucking hell Jeff the author of the Coincidence Theorist's Guide thinks that 9/11 wasn't at least some manner of inside job? After reading this thread, and countless other 9/11-related threads? Knowing what he's written on his blog? Get a fucking grip.

Hammer of Los wrote:Dutch company says Controlled Demoliton for bldg 7

Jowenko also says categorically that WTC 1 and 2 were not demolished.

This conversation is always a merry-go-round, so I'll just cut and paste what I wrote last year:

I'm not saying the collapse of building 7 shouldn't be investigated. What I'm trying to say is there's a world of difference between the statements We don't know and It was demolished.

But now in the 9/11 "community," the self-accredited demolition experts who know because they've watched it on video, are even suspicious of the motives of those who want an honest investigation. They already have the answers, and if you still have questions you're either a fool or a tool.

Pardon me, but fuck that shit. It's that monomania, misdirection and confirmation bias that's effected a controlled demolition of "9/11 truth." It's become a runaway circle jerk that will never bring 9/11 justice.

Just so we all know where we stand.

And fuck that shit, too. Where I stand is right here, on my writings, and I'll take a loyalty oath to nothing but my own conscience.

Jeff on Page 1 of this thread wrote:Remember Hugh, this is a UK site, and the UK 9/11 and 7/7 movements have been blessed with the leadership of MI5er David "I am Jesus" Shayler.

Any group seeking justice and truth needs a healthy dose of self-criticism, or it's going to invite justifiable criticism from outside. But any group that morphs into a "movement" may be beyond that.

Reading back through this thread, I noticed the above.

Jeff, for the record, the UK based July 7th Truth Campaign has never had anything to do with David Shayler.

Shayler has, of course, campaigned on 7/7 matters (including his part in the film Mind The Gap, however no direct connection with Shayler & 'J7' exists.

Hammer of Los wrote:movement based on focussing on the deliberately ludicrous assertions of pod people, no planers, and tv fakery types. It's all deliberate disinfo.

FourthBase wrote:actually I have no idea anymore what orz thinks

Join the club!

Okay.

Fourthbase wrote:Give me a fucking break, I can understand being wary of nomo and I've more or less forced him before to answer pretty much the same question for the same reason, because I thought he was far too "square" for this forum...and actually I have no idea anymore what orz thinks because all I've seen him as for the last year is the anti-Hugh...but Jeff? You think there's a chance in fucking hell Jeff the author of the Coincidence Theorist's Guide thinks that 9/11 wasn't at least some manner of inside job? After reading this thread, and countless other 9/11-related threads? Knowing what he's written on his blog? Get a fucking grip.

Fair point man. Consider the question directed to orz and nomo alone. I shall edit the post to reflect this.

This is what I dont get.

The majority of the left/right in America thinks were all nuts for questioning 9/11 and the truth behind al Qaeda...

yet were spose to be afraid of some cave dwelling group in frontier tribal pakistan led by a virtual video tape Goldstein with a disembodied voice
and some tubby kid named Adam Yahiye Pearlman? Oooh! Scary.

It's like freaking Max Headroom bin Laden and his boy wonder pal Chunk from Goonies. Oh and lets not forget their white ninja al qaeda leader in Somalia.

Oh yeah, and then there's Richard "Shoebomber" Reid...dear God almighty.
BE AFRAID!



Im going to blow up my nike shoe!

And then drive a flaming jeep into an airport!

Muahhahahha! Im evil al Qaeda, and I live in high tech C.O.B.R.A. commander caves in the Khost tunnels!

Sorry if I get a little militant about what a joke this war on terror lie is...
its just pathetic so much of the population that finally sees what a lie Iraq was STILL buys this embarassing propaganda.