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RocketMan » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:00 pm wrote:And the way people blanche at the mere thought of a special prosecutor investigating Clinton... The nerve! This just isn't done in polite society! Banana republic! Ayayayayayyyy carrramba!

As if a genuinely independent, robustly mandated special prosecutor wouldn't find loads to investigate with Clinton's public conduct. Obama SHOULD have fired up a special prosecutor into the Bush crimes immediately after HIS election, but PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF POWER. Weird how this supposed everyday mainstay of democracy should have to be repeated ad nauseam every election these days...

lol I think we got in the banana republic area when the FBI handled it's investigation the way they did

Still though, a lot of policies for Trump to enact in a short amount of time.

I'd like to know your reckless bookie's line on the chances that Trump will be impeached by 2018. I'd take 1:5-1 because I think he'll be successfully knifed by the Repub-Dem establishment.

Maybe Clinton was the Trump plant all along. I mean they can / are bringing a newish form of fascism which in the end just equals more social control and repression that a neoliberal imperialist would want, deep down inside.

What emperor or empress doesn't want a fully heeled populace.

Protest tonight.

Nobody Told Me
John Lennon

Everybody's talking and no one says a word
Everybody's making love and no one really cares
There's Nazis in the bathroom just below the stairs
Always something happening and nothing going on
There's always something cooking and nothing in the pot
They're starving back in China so finish what you got

Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed -- strange days indeed

Everybody's runnin' and no one makes a move
Everyone's a winner and nothing left to lose
There's a little yellow idol to the north of Katmandu
Everybody's flying and no one leaves the ground
Everybody's crying and no one makes a sound
There's a place for us in the movies you just gotta lay around

Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed -- most peculiar, mama

Everybody's smoking and no one's getting high
Everybody's flying and never touch the sky
There's a UFO over New York and I ain't too surprised

Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed -- most peculiar, mama

I'm feeling surprisingly good. I credit a dysfunctional upbringing and steady diet of horror movies.

Things are going to be horrible I believe for a few reasons.

It is clear Trump excels when he has a scapegoat to humiliate and attack.
That is his personality and brand. He's not going to stop as president, he's going to have to find bigger targets to attack and public figures and officials are going to be wary of criticizing someone who goes in for the kill at the slightest provocation, and has the whole federal apparatus behind him. Tricky Dick, J Edgar, Simon Cowell and Gordon Ramsey are now in the White House. He was carried on the backs of people who wanted to see Clinton jailed, whether he pushes that will determine much.

Trump is the anti-politician who was anti-process, anti-establishment and anti-politics. He is now the supreme politician, the system, the politics of Washington. The outsider is now the ultimate insider. He can't make a career of railing about the system when he is running it now. If he does, he's basically going to destroy the political system intentionally or unintentionally. That everyone is whispering "what is he going to do" shows everything is up in the air.

Trump can't handle any criticism. As President all you are is criticized.

Trump pushes conspiracies. Even eluding to a conspiracy as President will validate it with horrible results. Trump broadcasting War of the Worlds from the White House. Think about it.

Normal people are withdrawing and being radicalized over this. Normal people want stability, and that is now gone for a long time. Even if Trump somehow was a closet Roosevelt, a lot of America sees this as a vote for racism, xenophobia, misogyny, etc. Everything they want to believe America doesn't stand for. For those who think this is just the wake up call people need to take back the system, well, after you Snowpiercer.

Question: Does anyone here think Pence would be less tyrannical or far right then Trump? I'm not so sure....

More of a politician concerned with his own survival, but also probably farther right ideologically.

General Patton » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:29 am wrote: Now does anyone think we're going to get rid of him in 4-8 years?

not me

crikkett » 09 Nov 2016 16:24 wrote:I think Trump gamed the election, but didn't steal it. I think Hillary lost the election because her party cheated to help her win the primaries.

Without ever considering how having to cheat for her in scores of ways might be a bad sign for her attractiveness as a candidate in the general election.

Luther Blissett » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:34 am wrote:Maybe Clinton was the Trump plant all along. I mean they can / are bringing a newish form of fascism which in the end just equals more social control and repression that a neoliberal imperialist would want, deep down inside.

What emperor or empress doesn't want a fully heeled populace.

Protest tonight.

I think I wrote just that up thread and what is what I said last night in person. You know, we'll never going to know. But does it matter?

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Kiddies, this was a banana republic (without bananas) long before the term was coined. Like, back when the people were all in uproar about debt and taxes, and 55 guys who included the country's richest, a bunch of slave-owners, and holders of Continental bond notes they bought for pennies on the dollar got together in Philadelphia to write themselves a constitution. They even threw in a Roman Senate for patricians like themselves. Now at times it's risen above the banana republic level, absolutely, it's even been world-inspirational for good government and great society and doing the right thing and shit. But banana's mostly been the normal. Now we get to explore a whole new depth, with literally the most piratical crew of outcasts from within the billionaire and political class gathered around a fucking actor playing a billionire playing a post-modern Hitler for the Christianist and gun-toting rubes, and no one's sure if he's serious or it's just a show. It's almost the political definition of banana. (Oh wait, I'm not supposed to call the old white male demographic who just embraced racism, misogyny and an authoritarian solution (again) mean names. The liberal meanness is what got them so angry, right? If only Lena Dunham and I had been nicer!)

Obviously a special prosecutor going after Clinton only is a fabulously banana republic move. If it was one of a dozen appointments, and these included special prosecutors for the planning of aggressive war, for war crimes, for violations by the surveillance state, for Wall Street and the 2007 scams, etc., fine. But this? A totaly partisan show for Rubesville. Also, distraction from the rape civil suit, Trump U, etc. Enjoy, kids.

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Get Don the Con to open up a 9/11 truth investigation too. You hear me Alex Jones? Get your boy on it!

2012 Countdown » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:00 pm wrote:Get Don the Con to open up a 9/11 truth investigation too. You hear me Alex Jones? Get your boy on it!

You know its things very much like that he could do that would keep people distracted and enthused for long periods of time. And with peeps like Giuliani on such Warren Commissions they could play out for long, long periods of time. With fall guys in place they could even become show trials for the world to watch Trump purge those who insulted him before.

What is AJ up to today I wonder?

Luther Blissett » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:34 pm wrote:Maybe Clinton was the Trump plant all along. I mean they can / are bringing a newish form of fascism which in the end just equals more social control and repression that a neoliberal imperialist would want, deep down inside.

What emperor or empress doesn't want a fully heeled populace.

Protest tonight.

Now there's a frightening thought, that Hillary was Trump's Arthur.

General Patton » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:28 pm wrote:Question: Does anyone here think Pence would be less tyrannical or far right then Trump? I'm not so sure....

Until he takes office after Trump's been indicted, coat hanger Pence will be there to point Trump in the right direction.

General Patton » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:28 pm wrote:Question: Does anyone here think Pence would be less tyrannical or far right then Trump? I'm not so sure....

Of course not. Doubt he could have been elected, but he has a very high chance of being the man before 2020.

crikkett » 10 Nov 2016 02:24 wrote:I think Trump gamed the election, but didn't steal it. I think Hillary lost the election because her party cheated to help her win the primaries.

Yes.