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yeah ok. To me its not the same as slavery.

Not only does one side of my family come from a pretty similar situation - Irish convicts in Tasmania were free labour and treated brutally. My grandfather was an indentured worker in Fiji. Stolen from his homeland and lied to then forced to work for CSR or landholders. My father has described what Grandad went thru in detail to me, mostly while bawling his eyes out. None the less it wasn't slavery. There were opportunities and a light at the end of the tunnel. Something to live for. My grandad had his freedom by the time my dad was a kid and dad had the opportunity to go to a school with a good (if somewhat biased) education. None opf that would have happened if grandad was a slave.

We are quibbling about tiny details tho, and underlying this was a very real form of racism based on British superiority. The Irish aren't wasps and so they have always been treated badly by British power structures. The pre 20th C British aristocracy thought it actually was better than everyone else on earth. Probably still does. So Irish slavery doesn't actually invalidate Ad's thesis.

Interesting. I learned more about how some feel towards AD from tapitsbo's comments. Although I had no idea what Critical Race Theory was, I do now and I believe I agree with it. It was the extremely inflammatory thread title that attracted me here.

Racism and classism can be the same thing though they often are not.

Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:08 pm wrote:yeah ok. To me its not the same as slavery.

Not only does one side of my family come from a pretty similar situation - Irish convicts in Tasmania were free labour and treated brutally. My grandfather was an indentured worker in Fiji. Stolen from his homeland and lied to then forced to work for CSR or landholders. My father has described what Grandad went thru in detail to me, mostly while bawling his eyes out. None the less it wasn't slavery. There were opportunities and a light at the end of the tunnel. Something to live for. My grandad had his freedom by the time my dad was a kid and dad had the opportunity to go to a school with a good (if somewhat biased) education. None opf that would have happened if grandad was a slave.

We are quibbling about tiny details tho, and underlying this was a very real form of racism based on British superiority. The Irish aren't wasps and so they have always been treated badly by British power structures. The pre 20th C British aristocracy thought it actually was better than everyone else on earth. Probably still does. So Irish slavery doesn't actually invalidate Ad's thesis.

Jesus - that is so close to home.
One of my most of my most precious pics is my Dad as a baby on the knee of his great-grandad, who lived through the Irish famine. Before he died, he told my Dad all about what he had witnessed, so that if anyone pretended it didn't happen, he would know the truth.

We disagree on whether the Irish and Mauritanian information provide counter-examples to AD's approach. Interested in what he has to say about them.

Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:01 pm wrote:

Searcher08 » 29 Feb 2016 21:24 wrote:

Joe Hillshoist » Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:09 pm wrote:Altho the kiwis will probably ride out whatever happens for as long as anybody.

That's because they have a polyamorous relationship with sheep.

I can't believe there are no sheep smileys. That genuinely made me laugh out loud. Cheers.

Kiwi sheep hears "kiwis will probably ride out whatever happens for as long as anybody".

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Sounder » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:53 am wrote:
I'm beginning to feel like the constant repetition of the accusation that 'some posters' here represent for far-right ideas, is a sly method designed to elicit the response, non vocalized; Hey, I'm no right wing bigot, OK, I'll read some of AD's material.

Thus one enters the indoctrination program.

Irrespective of whatever AD's 'grand thesis' may be, it's precisely the above-quoted penchant -- along with the onslaught of self-serving similarly-themed OPs -- that I (and apparently some others here) find grating.

No matter. AD will continue to do what AD does. Good luck winnin' the hearts and minds with that M.O., however.

Maybe there are other motives, including more abstract ones, than winnin' hearts and minds.

I for one appreciate the chance to observe AD...

Belligerent Savant » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:19 pm wrote:.

Sounder » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:53 am wrote:
I'm beginning to feel like the constant repetition of the accusation that 'some posters' here represent for far-right ideas, is a sly method designed to elicit the response, non vocalized; Hey, I'm no right wing bigot, OK, I'll read some of AD's material.

Thus one enters the indoctrination program.

Irrespective of whatever AD's 'grand thesis' may be, it's precisely the above-quoted penchant -- along with the onslaught of self-serving similarly-themed OPs -- that I (and apparently some others here) find grating.

No matter. AD will continue to do what AD does. Good luck winnin' the hearts and minds with that M.O., however.

I think of AD as being more of a sharer of links. He rarely editorializes. He just throws shit out there to read. Whether one agrees with any of it is beside the point. Read it or don't read it.

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ok guys?

Bro r u a Kiwi?

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KUAN » 01 Mar 2016 17:32 wrote:.

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Righto you're the Aussie Rugby Union team.

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