Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

[Nordic]

Oh, darn, Alaya, your picture isn't showing!

[Hammer of Los]

While there exists a little wriggle room with regard to the enforcement of the rules around here, I shall wonder aloud if 17breezes has not trolled this forum with other usernames in the past. It takes a special kind of person to do that. I never support the banning of usernames. I like free exchange of ideas, even when the expression of those ideas becomes somewhat intemperate. But I would make an exception for 17breezes. He is typically very unhelpful. Although I suppose it is good if someone posts links to 911myths.com and similar places. But I've already done all the debunking of debunkers I care to. Besides which, David Ray Griffin did a better job than I, in his thusly titled book.

Oh, and don't I get credit for discussing the OP sensibly? And I rather tried to calm things down with a little amateur moderating. So lets all be nice, and stop calling each other nasty names please. Thank you. The conspiracy theorists amongst us sometimes have a bad habit of assuming there is something sinister about anything they dont quite fully understand.

I appreciate Jackriddler's vast expertise and knowledge in these matters.

I'm saying a covert operation to stage 9/11 would attend to basic details and seek to minimize complexity and risk of exposure. The more "found" elements, the better. The alleged allegeds don't have to be hijackers, but they do have to be on the plane and they should, if at all possible, have extremist Islamist backgrounds or associations. (Question: Isn't the trail and agency surveillance of these alleged allegeds at least as relevant to the 9/11 research as, say, the trail of Oswald is to JFK research?)

That makes a lot of sense to me. I have always felt as if they had the designated patsies with appropriate backgrounds actually on those planes. They may have believed they were hijacking planes or not. I'm going with remote control of the planes to turn them into weapons, surprising the patsies as well as the crew.

I think that maybe not all of the designated patsies got on their designated flights though. There are a quite a few inconsistencies which indicate this. Also, some of the alleged phone calls were mighty suspicious, so its difficult to tell with any certainty what happened on those planes. What happened to all the black box flight recorders? Anyway, its all speculation because there will never be a legitimate enquiry looking at the evidence, and from the safety of our pc's at home we can be allowed to believe anything, but know nothing.

Oh, and if Barracuda is Dean Martin, who the heck is Jerry Lewis?!



ps I enjoy a good catfight as much as the next man. More, in all likelihood.

[Searcher08]

Grow up dweeb.

Ah, fuck off.

The sophistication level of the discourse here seems on the wane.

Hopefully you take note of who always starts the shit. He can't seem to get me off his mind, just like Nordic. If he didn't keep insulting me I would never have a fucking word to say to him. He is exquisitely ignorable but for that. He can raise the sophistication level by ignoring me but I don't think he is psychically capable of it.

I am struck by the consistent approach used by you, 17breezes. It seemed very familiar... then I remembered where I came across it before

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hasbara

The techniques utilized

* Smearing/defaming critics of Israel, aka, attacking the messenger. This is even the terminology found in the Hasbara Handbook
* Selective discussion of issues
* Framing of issues, and setting the terminology used in discussing Israel
* Harassing media about its coverage, aka, flak
* Challenging the portrayal of an alternative narrative, and attempting to keep the zionist narrative as the dominant one.

Hasbara Campus Manual

The Hasbara Handbook: Promoting Israel on Campus, is now available online. And this is an interesting admission (page 31 onwards):

Propaganda is used by those who want to communicate in ways that engage the emotions and downplay rationality, in an attempt to promote a certain message.

The manual goes on to describe seven propaganda techniques:

1. Name calling: through the careful use of words, then name calling technique links a person or an idea to a negative symbol.
2. Glittering generality: Simply put, glittering generality is name calling in reverse. Instead of trying to attach negative meanings to ideas or people, glittering generalities use positive phrases, which the audience are attached to, in order to lend positive image to things. Words such as "freedom", "civilization",…
3. Transfer: Transfer involves taking some of the prestige and authority of one concept and applying it to another. For example, a speaker might decide to speak in front of a United Nations flag, in an attempt to gain legitimacy for himself or his idea.
4. Testimonial: Testimonial means enlisting the support of somebody admired or famous to endorse and ideal or campaign.
5. Plain folks: The plain folks technique attempts to convince the listener that the speaker is a 'regular guy', who is trust-worthy because the are like 'you or me'.
6. Fear: See fear.
7. Bandwagon: See bandwagon.

The examples given are very interesting, and worth reading.

I recommend that everyone here at least skims the document (especially from page 31) and then read 17breezes posts in the light of it.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

[17breezes]

Grow up dweeb.

Ah, fuck off.

The sophistication level of the discourse here seems on the wane.

Hopefully you take note of who always starts the shit. He can't seem to get me off his mind, just like Nordic. If he didn't keep insulting me I would never have a fucking word to say to him. He is exquisitely ignorable but for that. He can raise the sophistication level by ignoring me but I don't think he is psychically capable of it.

I am struck by the consistent approach used by you, 17breezes. It seemed very familiar... then I remembered where I came across it before

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hasbara

The techniques utilized

* Smearing/defaming critics of Israel, aka, attacking the messenger. This is even the terminology found in the Hasbara Handbook
* Selective discussion of issues
* Framing of issues, and setting the terminology used in discussing Israel
* Harassing media about its coverage, aka, flak
* Challenging the portrayal of an alternative narrative, and attempting to keep the zionist narrative as the dominant one.

Hasbara Campus Manual

The Hasbara Handbook: Promoting Israel on Campus, is now available online. And this is an interesting admission (page 31 onwards):

Propaganda is used by those who want to communicate in ways that engage the emotions and downplay rationality, in an attempt to promote a certain message.

The manual goes on to describe seven propaganda techniques:

1. Name calling: through the careful use of words, then name calling technique links a person or an idea to a negative symbol.
2. Glittering generality: Simply put, glittering generality is name calling in reverse. Instead of trying to attach negative meanings to ideas or people, glittering generalities use positive phrases, which the audience are attached to, in order to lend positive image to things. Words such as "freedom", "civilization",…
3. Transfer: Transfer involves taking some of the prestige and authority of one concept and applying it to another. For example, a speaker might decide to speak in front of a United Nations flag, in an attempt to gain legitimacy for himself or his idea.
4. Testimonial: Testimonial means enlisting the support of somebody admired or famous to endorse and ideal or campaign.
5. Plain folks: The plain folks technique attempts to convince the listener that the speaker is a 'regular guy', who is trust-worthy because the are like 'you or me'.
6. Fear: See fear.
7. Bandwagon: See bandwagon.

The examples given are very interesting, and worth reading.

I recommend that everyone here at least skims the document (especially from page 31) and then read 17breezes posts in the light of it.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

And another "good old boy," breaks the rule about calling other posters agents. But will Jeff and Macnasty have a secret pow-wow about him? Ha!

No, it's only RI legal open season on one person here. What a joke.

Continue your toolishness searcher007.

[psynapz]

[And another "good old boy," breaks the rule about calling other posters agents. But will Jeff and Macnasty have a secret pow-wow about him? Ha!

No, it's only RI legal open season on one person here. What a joke.

Continue your toolishness searcher007.

Jesus Christ, is everything an 'ism' to you?

It's not "good old boy"-ism, it's just as simple as established history here which still averages out far, far more favorably than yours thus far. Why don't you consider attempting to actually improve your average? That takes some swing action against the mean, you see.

You obviously want to keep posting here. I mean, you certainly do keep posting. So why not back off the blandly transparent work-a-day talking-points-ism and actually contribute meaningful discourse? Is that so hard? It's not like we're asking you to stand in front of a fucking bulldozer.

[Searcher08]

I am struck by the consistent approach used by you, 17breezes. It seemed very familiar... then I remembered where I came across it before

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hasbara

The techniques utilized

* Smearing/defaming critics of Israel, aka, attacking the messenger. This is even the terminology found in the Hasbara Handbook
* Selective discussion of issues
* Framing of issues, and setting the terminology used in discussing Israel
* Harassing media about its coverage, aka, flak
* Challenging the portrayal of an alternative narrative, and attempting to keep the zionist narrative as the dominant one.

Hasbara Campus Manual

The Hasbara Handbook: Promoting Israel on Campus, is now available online. And this is an interesting admission (page 31 onwards):

Propaganda is used by those who want to communicate in ways that engage the emotions and downplay rationality, in an attempt to promote a certain message.

The manual goes on to describe seven propaganda techniques:

1. Name calling: through the careful use of words, then name calling technique links a person or an idea to a negative symbol.
2. Glittering generality: Simply put, glittering generality is name calling in reverse. Instead of trying to attach negative meanings to ideas or people, glittering generalities use positive phrases, which the audience are attached to, in order to lend positive image to things. Words such as "freedom", "civilization",…
3. Transfer: Transfer involves taking some of the prestige and authority of one concept and applying it to another. For example, a speaker might decide to speak in front of a United Nations flag, in an attempt to gain legitimacy for himself or his idea.
4. Testimonial: Testimonial means enlisting the support of somebody admired or famous to endorse and ideal or campaign.
5. Plain folks: The plain folks technique attempts to convince the listener that the speaker is a 'regular guy', who is trust-worthy because the are like 'you or me'.
6. Fear: See fear.
7. Bandwagon: See bandwagon.

The examples given are very interesting, and worth reading.

I recommend that everyone here at least skims the document (especially from page 31) and then read 17breezes posts in the light of it.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

And another "good old boy,"

1. Name calling: through the careful use of words, then name calling technique links a person or an idea to a negative symbol.

Putting the comma before the quotation marks really adds to the vigour of that insult!

breaks the rule about calling other posters agents.

Perhaps you could point out where I called you an 'agent'?. I did not, but just in case you DO work with Mossad, can I suggest they tighten up their recruitment policies?

But will Jeff and Macnasty have a secret pow-wow about him? Ha!

1. Name calling: through the careful use of words, then name calling technique links a person or an idea to a negative symbol.

No, it's only RI legal open season on one person here. What a joke.

5. Plain folks: The plain folks technique attempts to convince the listener that the speaker is a 'regular guy', who is trust-worthy because the are like 'you or me'.
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That the sound of the world's whiniest violin

Continue your toolishness searcher007.

1. Name calling: through the careful use of words, then name calling technique links a person or an idea to a negative symbol.

Please call posters by their usernames. Cheers!

Now,

[psynapz]

just in case you DO work with Mossad, can I suggest they tighten up their recruitment policies?

I think an AIPAC-washed student organization is far more likely. Sorry Freshie...

[Jeff]

I think we're done here.

[on edit: on-topic discussion continues here.]