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brainpanhandler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:22 pm wrote:

Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:17 pm wrote:So, how about some new moderators?

Stefano has been mentioned a number of times, including by me. He has offered. Do it. Today.

I agree, but I think only Jeff can appoint mods, and we need at least two. I'm also curious what actions the mods are capable of, because I think WR said he can't do very much within the structures in place. If so, then they need more control. Regardless, the whole damn thing is in great need of better boundaries on various levels.

If this is a place for experiment and incubation, we could try implementing an Athenian ostrakon system. I was always curious about how it would work in action. An ostrakon is a shard of pottery, recycled as a ballot:

In Athens, the voting public would write or scratch the name of a person in the shard of pottery. When the decision at hand was to banish or exile a certain member of society, citizen peers would cast their vote by writing the name of the person on the piece of pottery; the vote was counted and if unfavorable the person was exiled for a period of ten years from the city, thus giving rise to the term ostracism.

I thought this was done once a year automatically.



Themistocles never won an ostracism, but Thucydides and Alcibiades both got the treatment.

Poll: Which RI member* do YOU want to see banned?

* - including sock-puppets.

I think we've got some obvious frontrunners, though I personally don't expect to do better than fourth place at the worst (or best).

Or should we go large and do factions?

regarding what should be to all of us some very serious concerns

Seriously - why is this being allowed to continue? We've got a poster imposing his will ad hoc and turning this board into his own personal playground. He decides who stays and who goes. Who is 'bad' and who is 'good'. Fuck me if it isn't a God complex. What's the agenda here? Why no intervention from the mods? Is the ultimate aim to turn RI into THE anti-fascist internet board where there are no fascists looking anyway? What a waste of time and effort for all involved.

jakell » Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:12 pm wrote:

Elihu » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:04 pm wrote:

American Dream wrote:

American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:30 pm wrote:
Jakell has been repeatedly pointing readers towards white nationalist sites. This is surely a violation of the spirit of Jeff's very thoughtful and well-intentioned guideline. Jakell the hyena gloats about his disrespect for all of us as he uses 'Rigorous Intuition' to organize for the racist/fascist Right.

No comment, jakell???

that sh!t flies at this place? what has the lizard proved? who other than God and the lizard knows whether or not jakell is a racist? what he is attempting to do is marginalize a poster based on his own self appointed slanderous personal criteria. at litmus test to participate. he's running a political party not discussing anything. there's no engagement there's no learning, he's already got all the answers. and you will observe, he will not move from that platform. he can't afford to, one, after all he's invested, and two, he's got nothing else.

it's not like I haven't refuted all this stuff (or minor variations of it) countless times already, I stopped responding in full about the time we got into double figures. I don't want to participate in someone else's groundhog day.

Your slippery non-answer is, I suppose, an answer of sorts. He did it again today- right on this thread- and has done it repeatedly since he really came on board at the end of last year...

American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:06 pm wrote:I'd rather let jakell speak for himself regarding what should be to all of us some very serious concerns- and then we'll move on from there...

Deconstructing your language patterns, they are brimming choc-full of presuppositions.

"I'd rather let jakell speak for himself"
presupposes jakell speaking for hijmself is granted by AD - and sidesteps elihu's comments

"regarding what should be to all of us"
According to whom? Do ALL of us have to think this?
Why should it? Based on what? What happens if we dont?

Some *very* serious concerns
Very serious? concerns how, specifically?
'Some' implies multiple - so what ARE these concerns in particular?

and then we'll move on from there
presupposes "and then" things will develop they way I want sequentially
presupposes that there is a 'we' (but unspecified who the 'we' refers to)
How will 'we' move on? What does that look like?

could "we" find out who are all the "we's" AD is always talking about?

coffin_dodger » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:23 pm wrote:

regarding what should be to all of us some very serious concerns

Seriously - why is this being allowed to continue? We've got a poster imposing his will ad hoc and turning this board into his own personal playground. He decides who stays and who goes. Who is 'bad' and who is 'good'. Fuck me if it isn't a God complex. What's the agenda here? Why no intervention from the mods? Is the ultimate aim to turn RI into THE anti-fascist internet board where there are no fascists looking anyway? What a waste of time and effort for all involved.

More accurately, who goes back into lurk mode, I only piped up because my name was mentioned (out-of-the-blue) as banning material. I'm certainly not going to be goaded into bickering once more, I've sort of stopped caring.
If this were in a subforum it might be different, that might have a dampening effect on those God complexes.

coffin_dodger » Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:23 pm wrote:

regarding what should be to all of us some very serious concerns

Seriously - why is this being allowed to continue?

Why is bluenose allowed to continue here?

We've got a poster imposing his will ad hoc and turning this board into his own personal playground.

Surely you can see what a preposterous exaggeration that is?

He decides who stays and who goes.

Noooo...

Who is 'bad' and who is 'good'.

Nooooo...

Fuck me if it isn't a God complex.

Obsessive, but, nooooo...

What's the agenda here?

Who are you talking about?

Why no intervention from the mods?

There have been forceful suggestions from the mods and also a suspension if I recall correctly. but generally speaking I would say a lack of intervention is a combination of utter disgust and fatigue with the whole thing, related- not enough time, and probably not seeing actionable offenses.

Is the ultimate aim to turn RI into THE anti-fascist internet board where there are no fascists looking anyway?

Why would that be a bad thing? Whose aim are you talking about?

What a waste of time and effort for all involved.

Yes and no. Your mileage may vary.

coffin_dodger » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:23 pm wrote:

regarding what should be to all of us some very serious concerns

Seriously - why is this being allowed to continue? We've got a poster imposing his will ad hoc and turning this board into his own personal playground. He decides who stays and who goes. Who is 'bad' and who is 'good'. Fuck me if it isn't a God complex. What's the agenda here? Why no intervention from the mods? Is the ultimate aim to turn RI into THE anti-fascist internet board where there are no fascists looking anyway? What a waste of time and effort for all involved.

That is the name of the game.
It is very uncomfortable to see it, and it was not always thus, but it IS now.
When JR and bph are using the term 'witchfindery', although wrapped in kindness.

Do you agree that this behaviour needs to stop?
On a personal note, there are much better uses for my time at RI than metamodelling the language patterns of a trainee Torquemada as a means of demonstrating the manipulative approaches being used.

@slad I think the 'we' could be Royal - as used by the Queen and formerly Mrs Thatcher as in
"We are not amused"

So it's perfectly okay with everyone here to repeatedly recommend readers to white nationalist websites?

American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:26 pm wrote:

jakell » Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:12 pm wrote:

Elihu » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:04 pm wrote:

American Dream wrote:

American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:30 pm wrote:
Jakell has been repeatedly pointing readers towards white nationalist sites. This is surely a violation of the spirit of Jeff's very thoughtful and well-intentioned guideline. Jakell the hyena gloats about his disrespect for all of us as he uses 'Rigorous Intuition' to organize for the racist/fascist Right.

No comment, jakell???

that sh!t flies at this place? what has the lizard proved? who other than God and the lizard knows whether or not jakell is a racist? what he is attempting to do is marginalize a poster based on his own self appointed slanderous personal criteria. at litmus test to participate. he's running a political party not discussing anything. there's no engagement there's no learning, he's already got all the answers. and you will observe, he will not move from that platform. he can't afford to, one, after all he's invested, and two, he's got nothing else.

it's not like I haven't refuted all this stuff (or minor variations of it) countless times already, I stopped responding in full about the time we got into double figures. I don't want to participate in someone else's groundhog day.

Your slippery non-answer is, I suppose, an answer of sorts. He did it again today- right on this thread- and has done it repeatedly since he really came on board at the end of last year...

Your assessment is evidence-free. Just like your critical thinking is thinking-free.
You are just being a finger pointing witchfinder

My question is: "Is it perfectly okay with everyone here to repeatedly recommend readers to white nationalist websites?"

where's the EVIDENCE? ...links...if we don't have links ..it didn't happen

American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:53 pm wrote:My question is: "Is it perfectly okay with everyone here to repeatedly recommend readers to white nationalist websites?"

Everyone is waiting for you to provide evidence.
You = Waving a piece of paper with 'lists of Commies' on it.
RI = Show Me forum
You = Aint shown jacksheee-it.

We'll get to the evidence eventually- I got things to do right now- waiting at the moment to see who does or does not dare to give a clear answer to the question. So far, y'all are batting .000