Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[streeb]

Hands up, who here thinks kids 12 -17 should receive one of these vaccines?

[Harvey]

Hands up, who here thinks kids 12 -17 should receive one of these vaccines?

Not I.

[Belligerent Savant]

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F No. (no shocker coming from me).

Further, my position is that NO ONE should be taking these experimental shots until there's AT LEAST 2 years of trials, or data on long-term (12 months+) side effects. Right now, we have NO DATA on long-term effects for these shots. The hope is the synthetic spike proteins in these shots won't adversely impact the body's ability to handle other -- more common -- viruses/influenza as Fall/Winter arrives later this year.

Not to mention the near-term deaths and serious side-effects arguably attributed to these shots.

There are safer, effective treatments out there. YES: Ivermectin is absolutely effective, and far safer.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... ee105.html

Delhi Cases Drop After Ivermectin Added



By Justus R. Hope, MD May 18, 2021

Just three weeks after adding Ivermectin, Delhi now leads India out of the deadly second surge of the COVID pandemic. Cases that had peaked at 28,395 on April 20 plummeted nearly 80% to just 6,430 on May 15. Deaths peaked May 4, and now they are also down 25%.

All of this also needs to factor in the now endemic nature of this virus. It will be with us at every flu season, but given herd immunity and other factors, this virus should be on par with other flu virus strains as far as infection/fatality rates, especially if the numbers are calculated cleanly.

Instead, manipulation of data will continue. Damage already done, in any event. In addition to lives and livelihoods lost, millions are now fully conditioned to subscribe to whatever fearporn is put forth. Observe, those that are 'vaccinated' and double-masked, regardless; those that feel the need to wear a mask outdoors FOREVER. etc.

Stockholm syndrome at a mass scale.

[streeb]

Thanks BelSav and Harvey, I'm naturally not surprised by your answers. But I'm wondering about those of us here who have defended a global vaccination regime that's very rapidly, where I live, made personal medical autonomy obsolete, or at least increasingly very, very uncomfortable for those who still wish to exercise the *wrong* choice about such a serious and unknown medical intervention, of such worrying provenance, for reasons that don't make a lick of fucking sense to me.

And now it's coming for our kids. In Canada, the national vaccine advisory panel has recommended Pfizer for children 12 and up. I expect every province will follow suit. From our endlessly vile state broadcaster:

Even before NACI's stamp of approval, various provinces began opening up vaccination appointments to younger teens.

Last week, bookings in Manitoba hit a record high as the province opened up eligibility to anyone aged 12 and up, Ontario plans to open up vaccinations to youth under 18 by the end of the month, while other regions including Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador are aiming to vaccinate teens before the current school year ends.

Bookings hit record high as Manitoba vaccine eligibility opens to 12 and up
The mRNA-based Pfizer vaccine was initially authorized for use in Canada for anyone 16 and up last December.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-va ... -1.6031090

Someone please explain to me why this is necessary, or wise, or not remotely suspicious given the political attitudes at the root of such an unprecedented and undemocratic lurch toward experimental bio-digital colonization. For fuck's sake.

I remember when Canada used to illegally experiment on orphans and indigenous children, it was usually behind closed doors.

[stickdog99]

It's interesting the creator of this blog/forum is the most hardcore anti mask/vaxxer Ive seen online

Come on, that's way offside, 8-Bit. Like a billion other people online, he's not an anti-vaxxer, he's properly skeptical about a new technology that's being administered through hard persuasion and/or outright coercion, both official and social, he's aware of the extremely alarming deep political context to this, and he's observing the vast psychosocial damage appearing in the wake of questionable public health policy seemingly driven by viciously anti-human supranational forces who aren't even pretending otherwise. (They have the Media for that.)

And in Canada, we're fucked. I've never been more frightened.

Agreed. And it is also scary to me is how reasoned questioning of widescale RNA "vaccine" experimentation and any reasoned calls to consider the costs as well as the supposed benefits of masking and social distancing mandates are reflexively characterized as "hardcore anti mask/vaxxer" and especially as ill-liberal.

[Harvey]

But I'm wondering about those of us here who have defended a global vaccination regime that's very rapidly, where I live, made personal medical autonomy obsolete, or at least increasingly very, very uncomfortable for those who still wish to exercise the *wrong* choice about such a serious and unknown medical intervention, of such worrying provenance, for reasons that don't make a lick of fucking sense to me.

That's the whole of it right there. I wish the middle and managerial classes weren't asleep at the gate and yet gate keeping the rest of us toward this obscenity while asleep. At this point it's all I can do not to throttle every one of them who I know personally, after decades of being called a conspiracy theorist. [sigh]

[stickdog99]

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Sliding this in here in the interim:

@ianmSC
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Back on 1/27, scientist Eric Topol said the UK variant “beast” was going to create a 4th surge & that we should enforce wearing N95 masks to stop it

After he was proven completely wrong, he tweeted yesterday: “who thinks scientists are always getting it wrong?”

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/13950 ... 08512?s=20


This is worthy of a read as well, for those inclined:

https://ianmsc.substack.com/p/follow-th ... ce=twitter

Does that graph just show the vaccine essentially works to curb the spread of COVID?

Basically the sharp peak and drop, which is the most defined sharp peak in the whole image, starts two to three weeks after the vaccine rollout began and has continued as a trend since, for the first time since early 2020.

OK, that's an interesting theory. Now where are the hard data to back this theory up?

[stickdog99]

Hands up, who here thinks kids 12 -17 should receive one of these vaccines?

I mean. it can only hurt them compared to getting COVID-19. But who cares about them, what about me?

[Belligerent Savant]

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Sliding this in here in the interim:

@ianmSC
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Back on 1/27, scientist Eric Topol said the UK variant “beast” was going to create a 4th surge & that we should enforce wearing N95 masks to stop it

After he was proven completely wrong, he tweeted yesterday: “who thinks scientists are always getting it wrong?”

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/13950 ... 08512?s=20


This is worthy of a read as well, for those inclined:

https://ianmsc.substack.com/p/follow-th ... ce=twitter

Does that graph just show the vaccine essentially works to curb the spread of COVID?

Basically the sharp peak and drop, which is the most defined sharp peak in the whole image, starts two to three weeks after the vaccine rollout began and has continued as a trend since, for the first time since early 2020.

OK, that's an interesting theory. Now where are the hard data to back this theory up?

I already replied to this earlier, but the drops also strongly coincide with the seasonal nature of flu variants. We saw the same/similar drops last year around the same time, as flu season ends.
There's also been increases in cases after vaccination in certain regions, and many instances of those vaccinated testing positive again.
These shots do NOT "immunize". All they claim to do -- once again -- is minimize symptoms.

[stickdog99]

https://twitter.com/RuminatorDan/status ... 86824?s=20

[Belligerent Savant]

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Even a 'popular' medium calls it out:

https://www.revolver.news/2021/05/mask-psychosis/

Mask Psychosis: NYT Confirms The Liberal Mask Cult Is Here to Stay




All at once, the powers that be want Covid-19 to be finished. Mere weeks ago, the CDC wanted Americans to wear face masks almost everywhere they went. Now, masks are out. The CDC says people with vaccines no longer need to wear them. They’ve become optional in Virginia and in Andrew Cuomo’s authoritarian bailiwick of New York. It’s amazing what one month of really bad jobs numbers can do to the science.

Whatever its political shortcomings, the Biden administration wants the country reopened and things (mostly) back to normal so they can reap the political dividends of undoing the calamitous lockdowns that liberal ideology created in the first place.

There’s just one problem: The regime’s propaganda was too effective. Millions of loyal cattle are too traumatized to go back to their old way of life. In a recent poll conducted by The Hill, forty-two percent of registered voters and a majority of Democrats said that, regardless of advice from the CDC or other health officials, everybody should still wear masks outdoors no matter what:


For a great many on the left, if not an outright majority, mask mania has become a deeply personal commitment. Despite all the babbling for a year about “trusting the science,” when the official science says to stop wearing masks, millions of the Globalist American Empire’s cattle are proving more loyal to masks than to science. In fact, as a recent MIT investigation discovered, vaccine and mask skeptics are more likely to have seriously weighed the science in question.

MIT researchers 'infiltrated' a Covid skeptics community a few months ago and found that skeptics place a high premium on data analysis and empiricism.

"Most fundamentally, the groups we studied believe that science is a process, and not an institution

https://twitter.com/commieleejones/stat ... 77760?s=20

What is happening right now with masks isn’t science. It’s a new cult, created through a mix of political pressure and old-fashioned terror. This cult, created almost by accident, is now too entrenched and too powerful to be turned off by the people who created it.

Even now, step outside in New York City and more than half the passersby will be masked up, CDC and vaccination status be damned. A New York Times article released Monday profiled the sad story of Americans so mentally broken they plan to keep wearing masks, possibly forever.

More at link.

[8bitagent]

Lol that image of Fauci. Even when Covid is completely gone from America, I could see a segment of strident Democrats wearing the mask as an identity much the way a lot still rock the red hats and Trump truck flags.

Also interesting to see more and more mainstream articles accepting the possibility Covid could have leaked from a lab, with even the former NYT science editor saying politics played a big role in making sure any lab leak hypothesis was squashed. I think the "lab leak" thing, even if it was proven would not be accepted by most Democrats much like Iraq war deception revelations weren't accepted by a lot of the Republicans. Others would use it as a call for war with China, even if evidence pointed to heavy US program funding of the lab.

[JackRiddler]

Hands up, who here thinks kids 12 -17 should receive one of these vaccines?

Absolutely not!

[The Bernician]

Hands up, who here thinks kids 12 -17 should receive one of these vaccines?

In the aggregate - and even without any scepticism towards any mainstream narrative on any of this - you'd be asking children to die to protect adults. As with much covidian*, the easy answer is that it's disproportionate to the threat in question. The harder question is: could it ever be justified?

*cf lockdowns, mask wearing, vaccine passports

[The Bernician]

Hands up, who here thinks kids 12 -17 should receive one of these vaccines?

In the aggregate - and even without any scepticism towards any mainstream narrative on any of this - you'd be asking children to die to protect adults. As with much covidian*, the easy answer is that it's disproportionate to the threat in question. The harder question is: could it ever be justified?

*cf lockdowns, mask wearing, vaccine passports

By the way, I saw a video on the BBC of some of the first US kids getting the vaccine. (If the BBC was state broadcaster of a non-aligned country, there'd be no question that it's constitutive purpose was state propaganda; I trust that this is generally accepted here.) (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-57147328)

The heart-breaking bit is towards the end, when the kids say what they want to get out of the vaccine: not to have to wear a mask; to play near their friends; to go to school. In other words, the deal - as they understand it - is medical treatment in exchange for childhood. And it's [child] abuse that's got them to that point.

What's the propaganda telling us, the British people? Well, obviously, it's normalising the idea of vaccinating children. But the message here has generally been different: everything you do, you do for others. What I heard in it was a slightly different message - a threat, that the UK has let children off relatively lightly (stopping and starting school; reducing social interactions; masks on in school one week, off another - none of these are great - but there has been a degree of restraint compared to what has happened in some of North America), but we could do this to your kids, too. Though, hey, I'm probably just paranoid, as I was about domestic vaccine passports.