Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids

[barracuda]

Lord Balto started a thread in the Data Dump about his project to align the chronologies of the Hebrew, Egyptian, and Assyrian king lists which may have relevance to this discussion. My personal opinion is that it is absurd to consider that large scale urban development on the level of the Sphinx occured on earth any earlier than 10th millenia BC, and that's pushing it, and I doubt that the Sumerian kings list is a reliable guide to the age of modern man's history.

[slimmouse]

The domesticated Pig always strikes me as a fascinating example of Darwinian failure ( as an overarching thesis). Indeed all domesticated animals interest me. But none quite so much as the Pig.

The domesticated pig intuitively always strikes me as some kinda genetic marriage between a human and a Warthog or Wild Boar.

Organs identically placed to a human

Insulin used for human diabetics

Heart valves used for human transplants.

How exactly does Darwinism evolve us from a domesticated pig to a human via an ape ?

I know Im not too logical. Im just a "long pig ".Ask any self respecting cannibal.

Someone once explained to me that the "dirty" reference WRT the refusal of muslims to eat pork, pertains to its tainting with human DNA.

Discuss

[nathan28]

The domesticated Pig always strikes me as a fascinating example of Darwinian failure ( as an overarching thesis). Indeed all domesticated animals are interest me. But none quite so much as the Pig.

The domesticated pig intuitively always strikes me as some kinda genetic marriage between a human and a Warthog or Wild Boar.

Organs identically placed to a human

Insulin used for human diabetics

Heart valves used for human transplants.

How exactly does Darwinism evolve us from a pig to a human via an ape ?

I know Im not too logical. Im just a "long pig ".Ask any self respecting cannibal.

Someone once explained to me that the "dirty" reference WRT the refusal of muslims to eat pork, pertains to its tainting with human DNA.

Not quite.

http://www.goshen.edu/bio/PigBook/human ... rison.html

If insulin in cows and pigs (and all mammals) is identical to human insulin, all that means to a Darwinian thinker would be that insulin was developed in a common ancestor.

And the inference I'm making from the above has to do with genetic engineering, non-human intervention or a still-unexplicated version of macrosymbiosis, none of which exclude Neodarwinism, in fact, I'd suggest they might rely on it.

[monster]

Geologic timelines + basic 19th century physics + the tech they use on Maury to figure out who the baby-daddy is = Darwinism proven.

case closed.

Nope. You can't get here from there.

explain.

I'm referring to the origin of life, not how it evolves once it exists, although I don't buy the straight Darwinian line on that either. But no scientist knows how life came from inanimate matter. They have theories, but none are nearly adequate, IMO. Even my genetics professor admitted to believing in panspermia. My own opinion is more mystical, which is why I alluded to the false mind/matter dichotomy.

[nathan28]

More re: insulin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin#History

Also, insulin, not poor character, makes you fat.

I'm referring to the origin of life, not how it evolves once it exists, although I don't buy the straight Darwinian line on that either. But no scientist knows how life came from inanimate matter. They have theories, but none are nearly adequate, IMO. Even my genetics professor admitted to believing in panspermia. My own opinion is more mystical, which is why I alluded to the false mind/matter dichotomy.

Amino acids have been found in asteroids IIRC from some high school biology. Francis Crick believe in panspermia; one of the covers to his books actually depicts a rocket crashing into earth (=Directed Panspermia=alien intervention, of sorts).

[slimmouse]

Not quite.

http://www.goshen.edu/bio/PigBook/human ... rison.html
.

Not quite indeed. Apologies for relative minutia.

Now then Nathan.

How about a human/ Wild Boar comparison

Or a human/Ape ?

Meanwhile Im just trying to imagine the Darwinian mutation required, not to mention the mating process.

[barracuda]

What mating process?

[slimmouse]

What mating process?

I was just wondering how domesticated pigs mutated into apes, which one presumes mutated into humans - the very species who then, one would assume by any criteria of urban development domesticated the aformentioned pig.

Thats the "mating process" which fascinates me

did you catch the video yet ?

Did ANY of you catch the video ?????????

[nathan28]

The domesticated Pig always strikes me as a fascinating example of Darwinian failure ( as an overarching thesis). Indeed all domesticated animals are interest me. But none quite so much as the Pig.

The domesticated pig intuitively always strikes me as some kinda genetic marriage between a human and a Warthog or Wild Boar.

Organs identically placed to a human

Insulin used for human diabetics

Heart valves used for human transplants.

How exactly does Darwinism evolve us from a pig to a human via an ape ?

I know Im not too logical. Im just a "long pig ".Ask any self respecting cannibal.

Someone once explained to me that the "dirty" reference WRT the refusal of muslims to eat pork, pertains to its tainting with human DNA.

Not quite.

http://www.goshen.edu/bio/PigBook/human ... rison.html
.

And a human/ Wild Boar ?

Or a human/Ape ?

Im just trying to imagine the Darwinian mutation required, not to mention the mating process.

If you're suggesting that protohumans would have to mate with boars at some point and produce viable offspring that created pigs, that's just silly.



The original mutation, I mean, would have been insulin-free protomammal/insulin-producing protomammal, or possible insulin is pre-mammal. I'm not a paleozoologist, I don't know, but basic research shows me that insulin is present in many species.

The reason is comes from pigs and cows is because it's *harvested* from pigs and cows. "We are property."

W/r/t organs, the suggestion there would be that omnivores develop analogous organ structures. So a test case would be skunks or racoons vs. humans or pigs. By analogous, I mean that similar demands create similar solutions. E.g., whales have fins, and fish have fins, but the bones in a whale's fin look more like a hand or paw than they do a fish fin. Or, e.g., whale sharks are big and eat a similar diet to some whales, but they're a fish.

Or. E.g., my dog is a Doberman Pinscher. It has webbed paws. Dobermans have only been around for about 130 years, so essentially those webbed paws were introduced only 130 years ago--i.e., that type of structure is one that nature or engineering can produce quickly. Back in 1870 or so when Doberman was collecting outstanding tax money and breeding a guard dog to make the Doberman Pinscher, he didn't breed a fish and Doberman.

Anyway, I want to hear about this 35,000 Pre-Egyptian Civilization and where the textual support is.

[slimmouse]

Two words Nathan.

Thank you. (Sic)

[OP ED]

What mating process?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Oscar?

[barracuda]

What mating process?

I was just wondering how domesticated pigs mutated into apes, which one presumes mutated into humans - the very species who then, one would assume by any criteria of urban development domesticated the aformentioned pig.

did you catch the video yet ?

slimmouse, if you are pointing me towards videos about domestic pigs "mutating" into humans, I'm gonna pass, at least until you've spent a few minutes reading up on cladistics.

[slimmouse]

What mating process?

I was just wondering how domesticated pigs mutated into apes, which one presumes mutated into humans - the very species who then, one would assume by any criteria of urban development domesticated the aformentioned pig.

did you catch the video yet ?

slimmouse, if you are pointing me towards videos about domestic pigs "mutating" into humans, I'm gonna pass, at least until you've spent a few minutes reading up on cladistics.

Well clearly you cant see where Im pointing, cos you cant apparently access the site

Thank u 2

Anyone here actually see the video ?

Any thoughts on the interview ?7

[Bridge It]

What mating process?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Oscar?

SNAFU

[Bridge It]

What mating process?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Oscar?

SNAFU

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