So, if it's an orchestrated downgrade to effect some kind of change, is there any significance to the closing percentages for the Dow and S&P 500 today? Dow down 5.55% and S&P 500 down 6.66%. A wink and a nod to... whom or what exactly?Nordic wrote:That S&P guy I've seen interviewed has a bad tell. He's lying whenever he mentions what "bad" shape the USA is in. At times it's almost comical, he starts blinking uncontrollably. Maybe later I'll be able to find some video showing this, right now I'm out in the middle of nowhere with almost zero reception.
S&P Cuts US Credit Rating For First Time In Modern History
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dqueue, I was quite brutally surprised to find out you were right, WTFology. I guess that's another overt signal indicating the extent of HFT-leveraged, Fed-coordinated market control now.




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Well how about that ... unbelievable.
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Who 'made $10bn on 10/1 bet that U.S. credit rating would be downgraded'?
Unknown investor or hedge fund 'made $850million bet'
Bet in futures market reportedly done at odds of 10/1
George Soros made similar bet on currency in 1992
But source says he wasn't involved in rumoured trade
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A mystery investor or hedge fund reportedly made a bet of almost $1billion at odds of 10/1 last month that the U.S. would lose its AAA credit rating.
Now questions are being asked of whether the trader had inside information before placing the $850million bet in the futures market, or if the bet happened at all.
There were mounting rumours that investor George Soros, 80, famously known as ‘the man who broke the Bank of England’, could be involved.
He made more than $1billion on currency speculation when the British pound left the Exchange Rate Mechanism on Black Wednesday in 1992.
But a source with knowledge of the firm said Soros was not involved in the rumoured trade and questioned whether in fact there had been such a trade at all.
The latest bet was made on July 21 on trades of 5,370 ten-year Treasury futures and 3,100 Treasury bond futures, reported ETF Daily News.
Now the investor's gamble seems to have paid off after Standard and Poor’s issued a credit rating downgrade from AAA to AA+ last Friday.
Whoever it is stands to earn a 1,000 per cent return on their money, with the expectation that interest rates will be going up after the downgrade.
The link has been made to Mr Soros in part because he has been tied to President Obama’s administration since 2008, reported The Examiner.
He also recently stopped managing money for outside investors, meaning he is under less scrutiny from the Securities and Exchange Commision
But the mystery bet could easily have been made by another trader with similar resources, despite Mr Soros’s links with the Obama administration.
The bet also raises questions of whether President Obama and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner knew that a downgrade was on the cards.
Mr Geithner said in April there was ‘no risk’ of a downgrade - but the government now appears annoyed, not surprised, by last week’s decision.
He has since slammed S&P for showing 'terrible judgment' in their decision and a 'stunning lack of knowledge' of U.S. fiscal budget maths.
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It appears that the McGraw family (Standard & Poor's is a subsidiary of McGraw-Hill) are very, VERY old & close friends with the BUSH family:
http://www.thenation.com/print/article/ ... ween-lines
Reading Between the Lines
Stephen Metcalf
This article appeared in the January 28, 2002 edition of The Nation.
“...Both standardized testing and textbook publishing are dominated by the so-called Big Three–McGraw-Hill, Houghton-Mifflin and Harcourt General–all identified as “Bush stocks” by Wall Street analysts in the wake of the 2000 election.
“While critics of the Bush Administration’s energy policies have pointed repeatedly to its intimacy with the oil and gas industry–specifically the now-imploding Enron–few education critics have noted the Administration’s cozy relationship with McGraw-Hill. At its heart lies the three-generation social mingling between the McGraw and Bush families. The McGraws are old Bush friends, dating back to the 1930s, when Joseph and Permelia Pryor Reed began to establish Jupiter Island, a barrier island off the coast of Florida, as a haven for the Northeast wealthy. The island’s original roster of socialite vacationers reads like a who’s who of American industry, finance and government: the Meads, the Mellons, the Paysons, the Whitneys, the Lovetts, the Harrimans–and Prescott Bush and James McGraw Jr. The generations of the two families parallel each other closely in age: the patriarchs Prescott and James Jr., son George and nephew Harold Jr., and grandson George W. and grandnephew Harold III, who now runs the family publishing empire.
“The amount of cross-pollination and mutual admiration between the Administration and that empire is striking: Harold McGraw Jr. sits on the national grant advisory and founding board of the Barbara Bush Foundation for Family Literacy. McGraw in turn received the highest literacy award from President Bush in the early 1990s, for his contributions to the cause of literacy. The McGraw Foundation awarded current Bush Education Secretary Rod Paige its highest educator’s award while Paige was Houston’s school chief; Paige, in turn, was the keynote speaker at McGraw-Hill’s “government initiatives” conference last spring. Harold McGraw III was selected as a member of President George W. Bush’s transition advisory team, along with McGraw-Hill board member Edward Rust Jr., the CEO of State Farm and an active member of the Business Roundtable on educational issues. An ex-chief of staff for Barbara Bush is returning to work for Laura Bush in the White House–after a stint with McGraw-Hill as a media relations executive. John Negroponte left his position as McGraw-Hill’s executive vice president for global markets to become Bush’s ambassador to the United Nations...”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011–08-0 ... payer.html
S&P Seen Yielding to Tea Party at Expense of Taxpayer
“Clearly the ratings downgrade was a ‘political decision’ in the sense that the politics explained the timing of this, because the numbers have been irrefutable for a decade,” said Robert Litan, vice president for research and policy at the Kauffman Foundation in Kansas City, Missouri. “It gives an enormous amount of ammunition to the Tea Party. They said the deal didn’t go far enough and they’ll say ‘see.’”
http://www.thenation.com/print/article/ ... ween-lines
Reading Between the Lines
Stephen Metcalf
This article appeared in the January 28, 2002 edition of The Nation.
“...Both standardized testing and textbook publishing are dominated by the so-called Big Three–McGraw-Hill, Houghton-Mifflin and Harcourt General–all identified as “Bush stocks” by Wall Street analysts in the wake of the 2000 election.
“While critics of the Bush Administration’s energy policies have pointed repeatedly to its intimacy with the oil and gas industry–specifically the now-imploding Enron–few education critics have noted the Administration’s cozy relationship with McGraw-Hill. At its heart lies the three-generation social mingling between the McGraw and Bush families. The McGraws are old Bush friends, dating back to the 1930s, when Joseph and Permelia Pryor Reed began to establish Jupiter Island, a barrier island off the coast of Florida, as a haven for the Northeast wealthy. The island’s original roster of socialite vacationers reads like a who’s who of American industry, finance and government: the Meads, the Mellons, the Paysons, the Whitneys, the Lovetts, the Harrimans–and Prescott Bush and James McGraw Jr. The generations of the two families parallel each other closely in age: the patriarchs Prescott and James Jr., son George and nephew Harold Jr., and grandson George W. and grandnephew Harold III, who now runs the family publishing empire.
“The amount of cross-pollination and mutual admiration between the Administration and that empire is striking: Harold McGraw Jr. sits on the national grant advisory and founding board of the Barbara Bush Foundation for Family Literacy. McGraw in turn received the highest literacy award from President Bush in the early 1990s, for his contributions to the cause of literacy. The McGraw Foundation awarded current Bush Education Secretary Rod Paige its highest educator’s award while Paige was Houston’s school chief; Paige, in turn, was the keynote speaker at McGraw-Hill’s “government initiatives” conference last spring. Harold McGraw III was selected as a member of President George W. Bush’s transition advisory team, along with McGraw-Hill board member Edward Rust Jr., the CEO of State Farm and an active member of the Business Roundtable on educational issues. An ex-chief of staff for Barbara Bush is returning to work for Laura Bush in the White House–after a stint with McGraw-Hill as a media relations executive. John Negroponte left his position as McGraw-Hill’s executive vice president for global markets to become Bush’s ambassador to the United Nations...”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011–08-0 ... payer.html
S&P Seen Yielding to Tea Party at Expense of Taxpayer
“Clearly the ratings downgrade was a ‘political decision’ in the sense that the politics explained the timing of this, because the numbers have been irrefutable for a decade,” said Robert Litan, vice president for research and policy at the Kauffman Foundation in Kansas City, Missouri. “It gives an enormous amount of ammunition to the Tea Party. They said the deal didn’t go far enough and they’ll say ‘see.’”
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More to come:
'Asian markets tumble after share sell-off in the US'
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'Asian markets tumble after share sell-off in the US'
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I don't want to say anything, but the shiny just hit $1754/oz.
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Dow and S&P futures are in overnight waterfall. Bernanke is supposed to speak tomorrow afternoon, perhaps to promise QE3. Did anyone see Obama's speech today around 1:00 when he was trotted out by his handlers to take the blame for the latest market crash? Pure fear and disorientation wrapped in a veneer of cliches of American exceptionalism. He kept looking out of the corner of his eye as if he was afraid someone might ask a question or throw a shoe.
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Futures Rout Accelerates: Emergency Fed Announcement Possible
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/08/2011 22:32 -0400
The last time we had a modestly comparable collapse in overnight trading, a certain futures trader from SocGen whose gimmickry had been uncovered, caused the Fed to lower its Fed Funds rate in an emergency meeting first thing in the morning. Which is why we wonder, should the ongoing rout accelerate, to an extent driven by the decimation in the Korean Kospi, down -9.5% at last check, but also due to increasing worries the Fed may not announce QE3 tomorrow (or if it does, it will be OT2-like and won't have any actual LSAP component to it), whether Bernanke will be forced to have an emergency address with market in the morning, around 7 am, in order to prevent what is shaping up to be a market collapse of epic proportions. And certainly not helping matters is either Chinese inflation coming in hotter than expected, (see prior post), nor the fact that in the People's Daily, PBoC advisor Xia Bin said that China doesn't rule out "normal market operations" to promotes is own interested when necessary amid the US debt turmoil. "China should set up an overseas investment committee to accelerate the strategic use of foreign exchange, Xia said, according to the report. This committee should organize storage of strategic materials, Xia said, according to the report. The country should allow and encourage companies to purchase foreign exchanges with the yuan, the report said, cited Xia as saying." Wait a minute, you may ask, how does that work without China floating the Yuan? The answer: precisely. So while we wonder just what punitive measures China will take to make sure America behaves, here are the futures. We will update this chart if anything insane occurs.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/futures-r ... t-possible
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Futures Surge Overnight Following Accelerating Central Planning Takeover Of Global Capital Markets
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/09/2011 06:36 -0400
Anyone just waking up and noticing futures trading just barely below the closing print may get the impression that things are fine. They are not. Here is what has happened overnight as the global central planning cartel does everything in its power to prevent the global market rout, which has so far wiped out $7.8 trillion in market value around the world, from morphing into the catalyst that end the status quo. To wit: ECB resumes buying Italian and Spanish bonds (UniCredit says the bank is losing a “game of chicken” with lawmakers by not holding out for budget cuts and higher taxes, and may eventually need to print money), the G-20 is prepared to take joint measures to stem a global crisis, Brazilian Finance Minister Guido Mantega said. Greece’s securities regulator banned all short-selling on the Athens exchange for two months starting today. Taiwan’s government bought stocks yesterday and this morning through four funds it controls. South Korea’s regulator asked pension funds, brokerages and asset-management companies to step up efforts to stabilize the market. South Korea also bans short selling for three months starting August 10. And lastly, rumors of an emergency Fed announcement are ripe. So... after all this global cartel intervention, is it any wonder that futures staged a near vertical move up overnight?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/futures-s ... al-markets
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S&P Cuts AAA Rating On Thousands Of Municipal Bonds
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/09/2011 07:17 -0400
The much awaited cut by S&P of thousands of municipal bonds following its August 5 downgrade of the US has arrived. Per Bloomberg: "The rating company assigned AA+ scores to securities in the $2.9 trillion municipal bond market including school- construction bonds in Irving, Texas; debt backed by a federal lease in Miami; and a bond series for multifamily housing in Oceanside, California. Olayinka Fadahunsi, an S&P spokesman, said he couldn’t provide a dollar figure on the affected debt. “It’s expected, but nobody is happy about it,” Bud Byrnes, chief executive officer of Encino, California-based RH Investment Corp., said in a telephone interview. “No one that I know thinks it was justified to cut the U.S. bonds to AA+. Once that happened, you knew that any prerefunded bonds or escrowed bonds would be downgraded too. It’s a domino effect.”" Well, Bud, if you really have so few acquaintances, we suggest you go out more. There are some fun bars on Ventura: give us a call for the low down. As for people who do go out more, here's one: "Chris Mier, a managing director at Loop Capital Markets LLC in Chicago who follows the municipal bond market, said the downgrades made sense, given the federal rating cut. “In order to keep the system logical and coherent, there are going to be a lot of downgrades,” Mier said in a conference call with reporters and clients." Matt Fabian, a managing director of Concord, Massachusetts- based Municipal Market Advisors, a financial research company, said in a telephone interview that he expected “hundreds and hundreds of municipal downgrades,” which may hurt investor confidence. “Treasuries may be able to shake off a real impact from the downgrade,” he said. “Munis, I’m less sure about." That's ok, while nobody has any idea what is coming, that won't stop 99.9% of those on Comcast's financial comedy channel from opining anyway.
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The company said on July 21 that a U.S. downgrade based on a failure to come up with a “realistic and credible” plan to reduce the budget deficit would be the “least disruptive” scenario for municipal ratings. That’s because it would mean Congress avoided making significant cuts to the funding of municipal credits not directly linked to the federal government, S&P said.
Top-rated state and local governments wouldn’t automatically lose their top scores, the company said. It rates the general-obligation debt of nine states AAA. The country’s “decentralized governmental structure” calls for an independent review of state and local government credits, 3.9 percent of which have AAA ratings, S&P said in a report.
State and municipal governments that depend less on the national government for revenue and that manage their own books well enough to weather declines in federal funding may retain AAA ratings, S&P said. The company didn’t name such states or municipal governments in the report.
Municipal issuance has fallen amid the U.S. debt-ceiling impasse. The slump and signs of a slowing economy helped drive tax-exempt yields to the lowest this year. Scheduled debt sales total about $2.8 billion this week, the slowest August week since 2003, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
For the municipal market, “the key is supply and demand,” more than ratings downgrades, said Ed Reinoso, chief executive officer of Castleton Partners in New York, which manages about $250 million for individuals.
The S&P action itself “was almost cosmetic,” he said in a telephone interview. “It doesn’t seem to have much impact.”
Sure, just like the Fukushima explosion had no impact on the lift expectancy of those surrounding it back in March. Perhaps we should all check back with population in the immediate vicinity in a few years... And then do the same for debt issuers in the US.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/sp-cuts-a ... ipal-bonds
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/08/2011 22:32 -0400
The last time we had a modestly comparable collapse in overnight trading, a certain futures trader from SocGen whose gimmickry had been uncovered, caused the Fed to lower its Fed Funds rate in an emergency meeting first thing in the morning. Which is why we wonder, should the ongoing rout accelerate, to an extent driven by the decimation in the Korean Kospi, down -9.5% at last check, but also due to increasing worries the Fed may not announce QE3 tomorrow (or if it does, it will be OT2-like and won't have any actual LSAP component to it), whether Bernanke will be forced to have an emergency address with market in the morning, around 7 am, in order to prevent what is shaping up to be a market collapse of epic proportions. And certainly not helping matters is either Chinese inflation coming in hotter than expected, (see prior post), nor the fact that in the People's Daily, PBoC advisor Xia Bin said that China doesn't rule out "normal market operations" to promotes is own interested when necessary amid the US debt turmoil. "China should set up an overseas investment committee to accelerate the strategic use of foreign exchange, Xia said, according to the report. This committee should organize storage of strategic materials, Xia said, according to the report. The country should allow and encourage companies to purchase foreign exchanges with the yuan, the report said, cited Xia as saying." Wait a minute, you may ask, how does that work without China floating the Yuan? The answer: precisely. So while we wonder just what punitive measures China will take to make sure America behaves, here are the futures. We will update this chart if anything insane occurs.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/futures-r ... t-possible
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Futures Surge Overnight Following Accelerating Central Planning Takeover Of Global Capital Markets
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/09/2011 06:36 -0400
Anyone just waking up and noticing futures trading just barely below the closing print may get the impression that things are fine. They are not. Here is what has happened overnight as the global central planning cartel does everything in its power to prevent the global market rout, which has so far wiped out $7.8 trillion in market value around the world, from morphing into the catalyst that end the status quo. To wit: ECB resumes buying Italian and Spanish bonds (UniCredit says the bank is losing a “game of chicken” with lawmakers by not holding out for budget cuts and higher taxes, and may eventually need to print money), the G-20 is prepared to take joint measures to stem a global crisis, Brazilian Finance Minister Guido Mantega said. Greece’s securities regulator banned all short-selling on the Athens exchange for two months starting today. Taiwan’s government bought stocks yesterday and this morning through four funds it controls. South Korea’s regulator asked pension funds, brokerages and asset-management companies to step up efforts to stabilize the market. South Korea also bans short selling for three months starting August 10. And lastly, rumors of an emergency Fed announcement are ripe. So... after all this global cartel intervention, is it any wonder that futures staged a near vertical move up overnight?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/futures-s ... al-markets
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S&P Cuts AAA Rating On Thousands Of Municipal Bonds
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/09/2011 07:17 -0400
The much awaited cut by S&P of thousands of municipal bonds following its August 5 downgrade of the US has arrived. Per Bloomberg: "The rating company assigned AA+ scores to securities in the $2.9 trillion municipal bond market including school- construction bonds in Irving, Texas; debt backed by a federal lease in Miami; and a bond series for multifamily housing in Oceanside, California. Olayinka Fadahunsi, an S&P spokesman, said he couldn’t provide a dollar figure on the affected debt. “It’s expected, but nobody is happy about it,” Bud Byrnes, chief executive officer of Encino, California-based RH Investment Corp., said in a telephone interview. “No one that I know thinks it was justified to cut the U.S. bonds to AA+. Once that happened, you knew that any prerefunded bonds or escrowed bonds would be downgraded too. It’s a domino effect.”" Well, Bud, if you really have so few acquaintances, we suggest you go out more. There are some fun bars on Ventura: give us a call for the low down. As for people who do go out more, here's one: "Chris Mier, a managing director at Loop Capital Markets LLC in Chicago who follows the municipal bond market, said the downgrades made sense, given the federal rating cut. “In order to keep the system logical and coherent, there are going to be a lot of downgrades,” Mier said in a conference call with reporters and clients." Matt Fabian, a managing director of Concord, Massachusetts- based Municipal Market Advisors, a financial research company, said in a telephone interview that he expected “hundreds and hundreds of municipal downgrades,” which may hurt investor confidence. “Treasuries may be able to shake off a real impact from the downgrade,” he said. “Munis, I’m less sure about." That's ok, while nobody has any idea what is coming, that won't stop 99.9% of those on Comcast's financial comedy channel from opining anyway.
More:
The company said on July 21 that a U.S. downgrade based on a failure to come up with a “realistic and credible” plan to reduce the budget deficit would be the “least disruptive” scenario for municipal ratings. That’s because it would mean Congress avoided making significant cuts to the funding of municipal credits not directly linked to the federal government, S&P said.
Top-rated state and local governments wouldn’t automatically lose their top scores, the company said. It rates the general-obligation debt of nine states AAA. The country’s “decentralized governmental structure” calls for an independent review of state and local government credits, 3.9 percent of which have AAA ratings, S&P said in a report.
State and municipal governments that depend less on the national government for revenue and that manage their own books well enough to weather declines in federal funding may retain AAA ratings, S&P said. The company didn’t name such states or municipal governments in the report.
Municipal issuance has fallen amid the U.S. debt-ceiling impasse. The slump and signs of a slowing economy helped drive tax-exempt yields to the lowest this year. Scheduled debt sales total about $2.8 billion this week, the slowest August week since 2003, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
For the municipal market, “the key is supply and demand,” more than ratings downgrades, said Ed Reinoso, chief executive officer of Castleton Partners in New York, which manages about $250 million for individuals.
The S&P action itself “was almost cosmetic,” he said in a telephone interview. “It doesn’t seem to have much impact.”
Sure, just like the Fukushima explosion had no impact on the lift expectancy of those surrounding it back in March. Perhaps we should all check back with population in the immediate vicinity in a few years... And then do the same for debt issuers in the US.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/sp-cuts-a ... ipal-bonds
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this guy's epigrams are epic imo. presented here for your amusement only. the rest of what he says, i don't really understand, just thought some of you might enjoy it.
Crash season for the stock market is August, September, and October, seasonally. ...
What could happen from here is some kind of rebound rally, followed by a real crash in the September-October timeframe. I consider the action of the past couple of weeks more of a blip down, a modest correction of a massive up move, rather than a crash.
.....view the absolutely horrific Dow monthly chart. The oscillators look like they are going over Niagara Falls in a barrel made out of toilet paper. In terms of time, the public can’t take much more agony. It’s been 11 years of horror since the markets topped out, and these price chasers can’t stand the pain any more. They want out, and they want out now!
The banksters stand there laughing, asking each other, “how little yield do you think we can pay these idiots on bonds, and they’ll still buy them in a frenzy?” The answer is found on a page in the “bizarre and surreal” handbook. The answer is that the public will accept a negative yield to escape the stock market gulag, and that’s exactly what they are being handed by the banksters, in real money terms.
The bottom line for the public is, “out of the gulag and into the blast furnace”. Incomprehensible pain is coming to these failed investors.
If you bought nothing into Dow 6500, you should not be playing bottom caller now. You will fail, and probably much worse than you can imagine.
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Crash season for the stock market is August, September, and October, seasonally. ...
What could happen from here is some kind of rebound rally, followed by a real crash in the September-October timeframe. I consider the action of the past couple of weeks more of a blip down, a modest correction of a massive up move, rather than a crash.
.....view the absolutely horrific Dow monthly chart. The oscillators look like they are going over Niagara Falls in a barrel made out of toilet paper. In terms of time, the public can’t take much more agony. It’s been 11 years of horror since the markets topped out, and these price chasers can’t stand the pain any more. They want out, and they want out now!
The banksters stand there laughing, asking each other, “how little yield do you think we can pay these idiots on bonds, and they’ll still buy them in a frenzy?” The answer is found on a page in the “bizarre and surreal” handbook. The answer is that the public will accept a negative yield to escape the stock market gulag, and that’s exactly what they are being handed by the banksters, in real money terms.
The bottom line for the public is, “out of the gulag and into the blast furnace”. Incomprehensible pain is coming to these failed investors.
If you bought nothing into Dow 6500, you should not be playing bottom caller now. You will fail, and probably much worse than you can imagine.
Aug 9, 2011
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Reminds me of this:Wombaticus Rex wrote:dqueue, I was quite brutally surprised to find out you were right, WTFology. I guess that's another overt signal indicating the extent of HFT-leveraged, Fed-coordinated market control now.
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The Street went into a panicked sell-off. At the closing bell, the Dow Jones industrial average finished the day down over 6%, the Nasdaq dropped more than 9% and the S&P 500 lost nearly 8%...
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So, any idea that this downgrade would scare people from bonds to equities can probably be laid aside.
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And the Fed's reponse is......nothing!
No change in interest rates
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In a widely awaited decision, the Federal Reserve said this afternoon that there would be no change in interest rates.
The market reacted sharply, with the Dow moving from 91 points to the plus side to a level of 55 down. But only minutes later, reflecting Wall Street skittishness the last few days, the Dow was up 30.
In its statement released after today's meeting, the Fed acknowledged that economic growth in 2011, so far, had been slower than expected, with the jobless rate going up and household spending flattening out.
And the Fed's reponse is......nothing!
No change in interest rates
By Pan Pylas
ASSOCIATED PRESS
In a widely awaited decision, the Federal Reserve said this afternoon that there would be no change in interest rates.
The market reacted sharply, with the Dow moving from 91 points to the plus side to a level of 55 down. But only minutes later, reflecting Wall Street skittishness the last few days, the Dow was up 30.
In its statement released after today's meeting, the Fed acknowledged that economic growth in 2011, so far, had been slower than expected, with the jobless rate going up and household spending flattening out.
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Re: S&P Cuts US Credit Rating For First Time In Modern Histo

Some are saying $2500 by January.
btw, news headlines keep changing all day long. "Stocks Slide" to "Stock Rebound". It flips back and forth all day, citing the 'story' that justifies each. Instead of going with a reasonable story taking into account uncertainty, they go with an all this, or all that narrative.
George Carlin ~ "Its called 'The American Dream', because you have to be asleep to believe it."
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Re: S&P Cuts US Credit Rating For First Time In Modern Histo
The DOW has gone up 500 points in the last hour or so. The system is totally irrational.
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