Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:15 pm
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Re: natural immunity. Does the following appear "folksy"?
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medic ... 21)00203-2
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1436 ... 86953.html
etc, etc.; the above are samplings.
But there's more! Outside of studies, out there in the real world, there's at least one hospital system (not a farm, or a trucker's union, or some 'right-wing' fringe organization) that recognizes natural immunity as an alternative to vaccination:
https://amp-detroitnews-com.cdn.ampproj ... 8262491002
Re: natural immunity. Does the following appear "folksy"?
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medic ... 21)00203-2
How about this?Longitudinal analysis shows durable and broad immune memory after SARS-CoV-2 infection with persisting antibody responses and memory B and T cells
Authors:
Kristen W. Cohen 10
Susanne L. Linderman 10
Zoe Moodie
Julie Czartoski
Lilin Lai
Grace Mantus
Carson Norwood
Lindsay E. Nyhoff
Venkata Viswanadh Edara
Katharine Floyd
Stephen C. De Rosa
Hasan Ahmed
Rachael Whaley
Shivan N. Patel
Brittany Prigmore
Maria P. Lemos
Carl W. Davis
Sarah Furth
James B. O’Keefe
Mohini P. Gharpure
Sivaram Gunisetty
Kathy Stephens
Rustom Antia
Veronika I. Zarnitsyna
David S. Stephens
Srilatha Edupuganti
Nadine Rouphael
Evan J. Anderson
Aneesh K. Mehta
Jens Wrammert 11
Mehul S. Suthar 11
Rafi Ahmed 11
M. Juliana McElrath 11, 12
Highlights
Most recovered COVID-19 patients mount broad, durable immunity after infection
Neutralizing antibodies show a bi-phasic decay with half-lives >200 days
Spike IgG+ memory B cells increase and persist post-infection
Durable polyfunctional CD4 and CD8 T cells recognize distinct viral epitope regions
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1436 ... 86953.html
What about this one? Does it have a folksy ring to it? Are PhDs typically folksy?Marty Makary MD, MPH
The 'natural immunity is unreliable' theory has done a lot of damage. It's OK to have a wrong hypothesis but public health leaders have pushed their theory way too long after data became overwhelmingly clear, yet remarkably clinging to their outdated theory
The natural immunity is unreliable hypothesis was the opposite hypothesis many of us had last year given the observational data of doctors & nurses consistently saying "We are rarely seeing re-infections and when they occur they are not severe" Clinical wisdom that was dismissed.
Getting this wrong has resulted in tremendous avoidable harm:
1. Thousands of seniors died waiting for a vax when we were vaxing ppl w/ nat imm
2. Bad guidance to the world
3. Heart complications from vaxing kids w/ nat imm
4. Kids kicked out of sch
5. Distracting from vax effort
Nat immunity was always sitting right there in plain view:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... cine-line/
Vaccine mandates inexplicably ignore natural immunity
Why COVID-19 Vaccines Should Not Be Required for All Americans
Dr. Marty Makary: I’m pro-vaccine but blanket requirements outside of health care go too far.
Marty Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and Bloomberg School of Public Health. He is editor in chief of Medpage Today and author of “The Price We Pay.”
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-ne ... -americans
https://twitter.com/MSmelkinsonPhD/stat ... 50087?s=20
Margery Smelkinson, Ph.D.
@MSmelkinsonPhD
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Study--masks have modest benefit to unvax older people. But all those people can be vax'd now.
Study--natural immunity better than vax. But still ignored for vax passports and mandates.
An inability to adapt to the scientific evidence is what causes a Forever Pandemic.
Natural immunity vs. vaccine study:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21262415v1Conclusions
This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.
etc, etc.; the above are samplings.
But there's more! Outside of studies, out there in the real world, there's at least one hospital system (not a farm, or a trucker's union, or some 'right-wing' fringe organization) that recognizes natural immunity as an alternative to vaccination:
https://amp-detroitnews-com.cdn.ampproj ... 8262491002
I haven't had a chance to read much of the rest of your posting as my eyes zeroed in on the "folksy" comment, but I may return to it later and offer more observations or replies. Perhaps it's better I don't, as I allow my time to get derailed on this forum more often than I should.Spectrum Health workers can use natural immunity as vaccine mandate exemption
Spectrum Health will grant temporary exemptions from its employee vaccine mandate to individuals who can prove they have naturally acquired immunity to COVID-19.
The west Michigan hospital system, which is in the process of merging with Southfield-based Beaumont Health, will grant an exemption to those who have a positive PCR or antigen test for COVID-19 plus a positive antibody test from within the past three months, the health system said in a statement Thursday.
The exemption, the first for a major health system in Michigan, was developed "as new research has emerged" on natural immunity.




