Active Shooter San Bernardino

[Wombaticus Rex]

They blocked off the roads in this deal and got them some space for their show. Set up their props and put on their show. Packed up and left. If they had set up their little show and whipped out the assault rifles and started blasting people they would have some seriously pissed off people that would not stop making a stink and chasing after them such as the local law enforcement and some other people.

What you are describing bears no resemblance to what transpired, as near as we've been able to piece it together.

There was a SWAT drill in Pasedena, there was a shooting in San Bernardino. They were not happening at the same venue, not even the same city. (Not even the same county, hell.)

[backtoiam]

Think about it. What crew of stone cold killers coordinates a drill every time they kill a bunch of people? Black ops hit teams planning to do mass murder don't have drills along with it like. Think about how many drills they have had though when this happens. Thats a clue.

I am not saying they have a drill every single time but these patterns are so distinct that its hard to ignore, for me.

[tapitsbo]

In the case of 9/11 we have a lot of evidence of what happens to survivors/relatives who do indeed "make a stink"; I suppose we can keep our attention on this new crop of witnesses questioning the San Bernardino attack and observe their well-being and further statements to gauge the consequences of speaking out in this way.

[stickdog99]

How anyone can find this extraordinary yarn about the first mass murdering stay-at-home mother with a 6 month old baby jihadi in the entire history of universe credible is completely beyond me.

There is no proof she had any military training. There is no reason other than the FBI's vague proclamation that she visited unknown firing ranges someplace at sometime in the past (without anyone noticing a Muslim couple including a tiny woman whose body and face were completely covered by traditional Muslim clothing shooting off two AKs) to believe that she ever shot a gun in her life. There is no historical precedent for:

1) a wife joining her husband in a murderous live shooting at his workplace for any reason

2) any female jihadi striking anywhere in the United States

3) any jihadi couple committing a live shooting together anywhere in the entire history of the world.

But Americans are wholly prepared to believe, without a shred of hard or credible evidence against her, that a 90 lb stay-at-home wife with a newborn infant, no known firearms training, and zero history of violence or wrongdoing set all these historical precedents and more?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Think about it. What crew of stone cold killers coordinates a drill every time they kill a bunch of people? Black ops hit teams planning to do mass murder don't have drills along with it like.

Yeah, let's think about it.

The strategic advantages to using these drills as a cover should be obvious. Offhand:

1. 911 call goes out. Where are the bulk of your most qualified first responders? Doing a fucking training drill.

2. Officers on the ground see something suspicious. They assume it's part of the training drill they've been hearing all about. (Recall the confusion in the air on Sept. 11th for concrete proof of that much.)

3. Post-mortem, all your assets and accomplices on the LEO front can explain away any and all strange behavior as stemming from that same confusion. It was an honest mistake. Not even incompetence, just some remarkable circumstances we never could have seen coming.

Also, you're omitting chain of command from your logic. No "crew of stone cold killers" is out there calling their own shots. Sicarios have bosses, too, and black ops teams? Don't have to coordinate their own cover. They just have to do their jobs.

[backtoiam]

Maybe so but it just seems like setting a drill pattern like that would be risky. I guess if you operate with impunity you could get away with having a pattern like that. I do agree that the drill pull local LEO off the scene and that would be an advantage. I just know these shootings stink to high heaven.

[stickdog99]

Think about it. What crew of stone cold killers coordinates a drill every time they kill a bunch of people? Black ops hit teams planning to do mass murder don't have drills along with it like. Think about how many drills they have had though when this happens. Thats a clue.

I am not saying they have a drill every single time but these patterns are so distinct that its hard to ignore, for me.

Having drills doesn't mean nobody dies. It helps cause confusion, ensures no resistance, and allows for total control of the scene. Then you just tell the survivors and witnesses that terrorists compromised the drill, that this is national security issue of the highest order, and that if they tell anyone anything other than the official story, they will be going to jail. Nothing shuts people up like real blood.

[MacCruiskeen]

wholly prepared to believe, without a shred of hard or credible evidence against her

Well, sure, no actual human beings ever do such things; just Muslims. We love life, they love death. That's all the evidence anyone needs.

The emotional template was established 14 years ago. Do we see where refusing to question it has led us, and where it might yet lead?

[stickdog99]

And anybody who dares to question the template gets a Real Talking to by the likes of Bill Maher.

[stickdog99]

After reading your link, I'm not sure what emotional template you are talking about, though.

[backtoiam]

I decided to turn on CNN and see how bad they are fanning the flames and they are doing a good job. ISIS has a machine to make its own passports. There may be an ISIS terror cell in ? can't remember the city. Some Muslims are shooting up the country killing people recently. We plan to bring refugees to the country and by the way some of those could be terrorists too...it just never stops...

I have a feeling the future might be interesting.

[zangtang]

i fear its going to be a great deal more interesting than that...................

[MacCruiskeen]

After reading your link, I'm not sure what emotional template you are talking about, though.

The template is Fear of Monsters, which does not encourage (or even permit) thought.

1. Murder lots of people and traumatise the entire nation. 2. Name some dead, deathloving, dead, incomprehensibly cruel, dead, dead culprits (all Others, all Muslims, all Monsters). 3. Persuade the traumatised & outraged nation that old-skool shit like due process, evidence, etc., is frivolous timewasting, damaging to the nation's unity In Time Of War, and deeply disrespectful to the dead human beings -- and besides, the Monsters who dunnit are now dead and who cares about due process for a dead Monster anyway. 4. "With us, or with the Monsters?" 5. Do whatever the hell you want, anywhere in the world, on the basis of fighting more Monsters.

Any questions? If so, you're a Conspiracy Theorist, and you might think about how any present or future employer might feel about that. (Not trying to frighten you or anything, just sayin'.) Plus, it's disrespectful to the dead.

[stickdog99]

Girlfriend of dead hero mentions nothing about anyone seeing any women shooter.

I'm not sure what to make of this because Farook's real name was not Syed, but Rizwan. But maybe he went by Syed at work.

[stickdog99]

Saudi officials tell the wife's family to clam up

Malik’s brother said he was not at liberty to talk about the details of his sister’s life because Saudi officials have warned his family not to speak to the media.

“My father has already spoken to the government and they said we cannot do any interviews,” Saad Malik said. “We don’t know the law over here and we don’t want to create any problems for our families, for our children.”