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I thought and still do think that your post was inconsiderate,

So since I'm not an enabler that patronizes delusion, I'm inconsiderate?

Uh, did you really just write that? And if you did are you suggesting that belief in MC is a "delusion" and those who are kind to those of us who went through it are "enabling?" No you didn't, right?

Inconsiderate? Wow, no, not at all.

What a filthy, unkind thing you just said. Go play ontology somewhere else. I don't personally understand many of the experiences discussed here, but I know that they happen, and that people get hurt.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

To be fair, I think he might mean "illusion."

Otherwise

I'd like to request that someone enable my delusions, please. Considerately, LBO.

n0x23 wrote...

So since I'm not an enabler that patronizes delusion, I'm inconsiderate?

Well you seem to have no problem 'enabling' your own delusions.

(There is no mind, so there is no mind control.)



How about showing consideration for yourself by admitting it, instead of passing out pompouslly patronizing palliatives that leave you in denial of your denial.

DID/MPD is far-end on the dissociative scale. You can even say it's far-end on the PTSD scale, as severe dissociative states are part-and-parcel of PTSD, and no one doubts the existence of that. And you don't have to go through a) a war or b) MC to have either. They're discovering that DID/MPD is more prevalent, recently, not only in children who have been in abusive households (and not necessarily needing the extreme sexual violence it was once believed) and that PTSD is common in people who have been in abusive relationships (they're considering changing Borderline Personality Disorder to C(omplex)PTSDas it's being discovered that its a PTSD reaction/self-defense rather than a "personality disorder" - which, by the way, is why they changed MPD to DID).

Again, seeing the horrors that human beings can do to others (recorded throughout history) I can't imagine anyone questioning psychological protective mechanisms to deal with them.

Maddy wrote:Again, seeing the horrors that human beings can do to others (recorded throughout history) I can't imagine anyone questioning psychological protective mechanisms to deal with them.

I agree wholeheartedly. Mankind is capable of atrocities that even four-legged species aren't inclined to perform.

But the underlying current for those atrocities, I propose, is the fixation to certain identities.

Be it an identity of nationalism, religion, or being right and the expense of someone else needing to be wrong.

Our fixation to our identities is the undercurrent to our atrocities.

Which is why I am suggesting that we need to dump 'em.

To prevent future atrocities, and to begin to touch who we really are.

For we are not our identities.

No matter how much we think they are.

Disassociating ourselves from our identities isn't a malady, as I proposed earlier.

Associating ourselves with them... is.

Could I get a couple more knee-jerk reactions?
I'm starting a collection.

Uh, did you really just write that? And if you did are you suggesting that belief in MC is a "delusion" and those who are kind to those of us who went through it are "enabling?" No you didn't, right?

Yes I did.
But what I would have liked was for you to have attempted to answer any of my legitimate questions, or engage in any sort of discourse on the matter, as opposed to this feigned, abashed exasperation.

Inconsiderate? Wow, no, not at all.

What a filthy, unkind thing you just said. Go play ontology somewhere else. I don't personally understand many of the experiences discussed here, but I know that they happen, and that people get hurt.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Filthy?
Ashamed?

Could you be a little more dramatic?
No, wait, scratch that, I'm sure you could.

Well you seem to have no problem 'enabling' your own delusions.

(There is no mind, so there is no mind control.)

Well, yes.
Do you deny the remedial fact that if something does not exist, it can not be controlled?

But what delusion am I perpetuating?
That there is no mind?

Is that delusional?
If so, show me.

Where is the mind?
Can you show me a picture of it?
I've seen the heart, liver, lungs, brain, epiglottis, duodenum, etc., but never the mind...Can you please show me?

How do you know you even have a mind, other than second-hand knowledge?

How about showing consideration for yourself by admitting it, instead of passing out pompouslly patronizing palliatives that leave you in denial of your denial.

Speaking of pompous....It would appear that you think that I was brash and personally insulted the OP, so, does that give you hypocritical license to turn around and do the same thing to me?

Not that it bothers me in the slightest, I'm just curious as to how you are going to justify it.

To be fair, I think he might mean "illusion."

Otherwise

Thank you, Cp2w, for being fair, I appreciate that, but, no, I meant delusion.

Delusion perpetuates illusion.

That being said, I am not attempting to dismiss or negate the OP's experience, whatever it may be, or claim that they are delusional for believing in their personal experience, because that would be...well, just completely stupid on my part.

I'm just asking questions.

another knee jerk reaction for your collection. You are being very silly, (in a mildly destructive kind of way). You can't see mind so mind doesn't exist so mind can't be controlled so calling the state of disturbance created in persons who have been tortured with a view to bringing about their compliance mind control is delusion, or their experience is I'm not clear which you intend . I can't see atoms so atoms don't exist so atoms can't be split.

blanc wrote:another knee jerk reaction for your collection. You are being very silly, (in a mildly destructive kind of way). You can't see mind so mind doesn't exist so mind can't be controlled so calling the state of disturbance created in persons who have been tortured with a view to bringing about their compliance mind control is delusion, or their experience is I'm not clear which you intend . I can't see atoms so atoms don't exist so atoms can't be split.

Therefore, the victims of Hiroshima/Nagasaki are fakers.

n0x23 wrote:Could I get a couple more knee-jerk reactions?
I'm starting a collection.
((... blah blah blah ...))
I'm just asking questions.

Maybe so, but we have a tradition, which is pretty standard in forums, to let the OP decide the course of his or her thread, and lbo made it clear he wasn't interested in your line of questioning and didn't think it was on topic. In short, start your own thread about it.

I'm inclined to believe the exact opposite of what you are claiming. Mind is the only thing that is real, in any meaningful sense of that word. But whatever.

As for the OP, the pdf won't load for me at the moment. I'll admit I shy away from the MC topics because it's not something I know a whole lot about.

But I'd say the possibility of some people having 'delusions enabled' is a small price to pay for perhaps providing some comfort and outlet for those who have really suffered from MC and RA, and one doesn't have to look far to see evidence that there have been black projects and perpetrators of such crimes.

I always considered delusions to be perceptions which deviate from those perceptions which are commonly accepted, by a critical mass, to be real.

The only thing that delusions violate... is common agreement.

And that's a standard that I've never been hungry for.

blanc wrote:another knee jerk reaction for your collection. You are being very silly, (in a mildly destructive kind of way). You can't see mind so mind doesn't exist so mind can't be controlled so calling the state of disturbance created in persons who have been tortured with a view to bringing about their compliance mind control is delusion, or their experience is I'm not clear which you intend . I can't see atoms so atoms don't exist so atoms can't be split.

Atoms




Molecules




Now it's your turn.
Show me the Mind.

Show me the wind and the cold. You can only show me evidence that they are there, not the things themselves.

With regard what you said upthread, you seem to have no conscience, and just want to keep playing your own little debate game. You're either a kid with very little experience of your fellow human beings, or a sociopath.

Either way, I'm through reading anything you write and will never respond to you again.

Evil things are being done, and people (whom you blithely dismiss as delusional) suffer terribly. Some of them are in this conversation, but that doesn't matter to you.

You're fucked-up.