Barack Obama: “We Need Full-Blown Gov’t Censorship To Eradicate Independent Media”
Before the 2024 elections!
Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:18 pm
by Belligerent Savant
Posturing and ‘partisan politics’ aside, the below case is noteworthy.
Attorney General Andrew Bailey
@AGAndrewBailey
The federal government had a hard time convincing a judge last week that it hasn't been working with and coercing social media companies to censor free speech.
Some notable moments from the first hearing in our First Amendment case, Missouri v. Biden:
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The judge asked the feds if they had ever read George Orwell’s 1984, pointing out the similarities between the case and the book.
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The Court asked the feds if all the emails between them and social media companies were real because "it seems like there's a lot here." The feds were forced to admit the tens of thousands of pages of evidence are genuine.
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The judge questioned the feds on several hypotheticals, asking if the First Amendment applied. He asked if an American citizen questioning the safety or efficacy of masks or a vaccine was protected under the First Amendment.
The feds' answer?
"It COULD be" but often won’t be.
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Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, the Court asked the feds why he should believe them when they say they claim censorship has stopped and won’t happen again.
And that is exactly why we are asking the Court for a preliminary injunction to halt this vast censorship enterprise.
Interesting, this clip from an old TV sitcom, and some of the comments in this thread. It's almost surreal listening to the character in this clip say all these (prescient) things*, back in 1981:
*this is not to suggest I subscribe to the notion that the Trilateral Commission is the sole culprit for all our current ills. But it's certainly interesting, to say the least.
@iluminatibot
Can't believe this aired on TV
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@Chictorian
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They are bound by karma. They always have to tell you what they’re doing well in advance. If Society does nothing about it, the Karma is on us and their eyes.
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@AcuteObtuse90
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As they say the best way to hide something is right in front of the eyes
Gore Vidal on lying in a UK interview with Melvyn Bragg (2008):
Gore Vidal: Unlike most Americans who lie all the time, I hate lying. And here I am surrounded with these hills [in Hollywood] full of liars — some very talented.
Melvyn Bragg: What do you mean by lying in that sense? Do you mean telling fictions?
Vidal: Yeah, about themselves, about their beliefs, about their histories. Degrees, from universities — this is piled up lies.
Americans are not interested in the truth about anything. They assume everybody is lying because they go out and lie everyday about the automobile they are trying to sell you…
This is a country of hoax. P.T. Barnum is the god of this republic, which is no longer a republic alas. It is an oligarchy and a rather vicious one.
Bragg: Can I quote a bit from Montaigne — something from Montaigne that you quote and refer to several times in these memoirs [of yours], from his essay on lying –
Vidal: yes, wonderful…
Bragg: “Lying is an accursed vice. It is only our words which bind us together and make us human. If we realized the horror and weight of lying, we would see that it is more worthy of the stake than other crimes.”
Vidal: … and I’ll drop the match [to set aflame the convict].
Yes, it is … — you see this whole American society is based on advertising, which in turn grabbed on to something called television which could just perpetrate lies everywhere into this society and does and did.
So I have lived in a rather troubling time.” [1].
Pertinent quotations from Gore Vidal in the movie "Gore Vidal: The United States of Amnesia" [2]:
"A writer must always tell the truth, unless he is a journalist".
"Words are used to disguise, not illuminate".
Half the American people have never read a newspaper. Half never voted for president. One hopes it is the same half."
"We learn nothing because we remember nothing." [2].
Gore Vidal (US writer): “The corporate grip on opinion in the US is one of the wonders of the Western world. No First World country has ever managed to eliminate so entirely from its media all objectivity - much less dissent” (quoted in Harry Kawilarang, “Quotations on Terrorism”, Trafford Publishing, UK, 2006).
Gore Vidal (US writer): “The media, never much good at analysis, are more and more breathless and incoherent. On CNN, even the stolid John Clancy started to hyperventilate when an Indian academic tried to explain how Iraq was once our ally and “friend” in its war against our Satanic enemy Iran. “None of that conspiracy stuff,” snuffed Clancy. Apparently, “conspiracy stuff” is now shorthand for unspeakable truth” (quoted in Harry Kawilarang, “Quotations on Terrorism”, Trafford Publishing, UK, 2006).
Barack Obama: “We Need Full-Blown Gov’t Censorship To Eradicate Independent Media”
Before the 2024 elections!
Can you show us where Obama actually said this? It seems the source of this erroneous quote is a site called 'The People's Voice', a rebranded version of 'News Punch', a site known for producing disinformation.
Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:29 am
by Belligerent Savant
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However misrepresented or not the above link may be, there is no doubt Obama is no 'advocate' for the commoner.
Very much in keeping with the theme of this thread:
Obama Calls for ‘Digital Fingerprints’ to Help Censor ‘Misinformation’ Online
June 16, 2023
Former President Barack Obama has called for “digital fingerprints” to be mandatory online to help authorities censor so-called “misinformation.”
In a new interview, Obama suggested the development of new technology to track and identify people online to combat “disinformation.”
He argues that such a move would help to remove “misleading” news from the Internet and provide consumers with only “true” information.
Obama sat down with his former White House senior adviser David Axelrod for a conversation on the latter’s podcast, “The Axe Files,” on CNN Audio.
During the interview, Axelrod noted he’s seen “misinformation, disinformation, [and] deepfakes” targeting Obama.
“As I’ve told people, because I was the first digital president when I left office, I was probably the most recorded filmed photographed human in history, which is kind of a weird thing,” responded Obama.
“But just the odds are that I was.
“As a consequence, there’s a lot of raw material there.”
Obama added that the deepfakes — digitally manipulated images, audio, or video that appear almost legitimate — started with a version of him dancing, “saying dirty limericks,” or similar kinds of activity.
“That technology’s here now,” continued Obama.
He then warned about the issue getting worse moving forward.
“So, most immediately we’re going to have all the problems we had with misinformation before, [but] this next election cycle will be worse.”
Obama then suggested “digital fingerprints” to discern truth from misinformation.
“And the need for us, for the general public, I think to be more discriminating consumers of news and information, the need for us to overtime develop technologies to create watermarks or digital fingerprints so we know what is true and what is not true,” he said.
“There’s a whole bunch of work that’s going to have to be done there, but in the short term, it’s really going to be up to the American people to kind of say.”
Obama and Axelrod went on to say that today many consumers are only viewing information from sources they are predisposed to agree with and will likely believe what they see.
“Obviously, we saw that during the vaccination stuff,” added Obama, referring to Covid shots.
“So, I am concerned about it.
“And I think the best we’re going to be able to do is to constantly remind people that this is out there.”
The former president said he thinks most people are now aware that “not everything that pops up on your phone is true,” but cautioned misinformation can be used to discourage people from voting by characterizing the system as rigged and corrupt.
“That can oftentimes advantage the powerful,” said Obama.
“And I am worried about that kind of cynicism developing even further during the course of this next election.”
The interview came about six weeks after the Obama Foundation on World Press Freedom Day posted a recent video of the former president lecturing about “widespread disinformation” and the need for journalists to create “an information environment” to support democracy.
Last year, Obama announced that his foundation would be launching a new initiative to combat misinformation.
Days later, Obama angered conservatives with a speech at Stanford University warning of the dangers of “disinformation.”
During the speech, Obama said, “All we see is a constant feed of content where useful factual information and happy diversions, and cat videos flow alongside lies, conspiracy theories, junk science, quackery, white supremacist, racist tracts, misogynist screeds.”
Critics were quick to point out that Obama promoted the debunked narrative that President Donald Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election.
Obama infamously won Politifact’s “Lie of the Year” in 2013 by telling Americans, “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,” referring to the Affordable Care Act.
More recently, Democrat President Joe Biden’s administration came under fire for trying to start the now-defunct Disinformation Governance Board under the Department of Homeland Security.
Let's leave it to the politicians, the governments, and media to be the arbiters of 'misinformation', eh?
And surely -- according to these talking heads -- Technology will help resolve this.
Note: I am not familiar with this site, which does not appear neutral given its use of 'conservatives' as descriptor for those that may oppose Obama and/or his comments (because 'conservatives' are the only types of people that can conceivably register opposition to an Obama figure, right?)
Putting such flawed framing aside, the article is shared here as it includes quotes direct from Obama from a CNN interview.
Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:51 pm
by DrEvil
He's not talking about tracking people, but information, some way to differentiate real images from fake ones. I've seen this idea bandied about in a lot of AI discussions lately, because right now it's possible for people at home to create convincing fakes of pretty much anything - images, video and audio, so people want some way to authenticate stuff. The general idea is to have some sort of watermarking system or metadata, i.e. digital fingerprints, that can tell you the source of the image.
It's probably a futile idea, because metadata and watermarks can be stripped out or added as needed to create convincing fakes. It will end up boiling down to what it always has: people will believe what they want to believe.
Even before we arrive at who controls any putative Bureau of Authentic Fingerprints we must first contend with 'AI' generated fingerprints, as you seem to recognise though I am genuinely mystified that you appear to have learned so little from your time at RI.
People will believe what they want to believe you say, as though this is more relevant to almost anyone else at RI than it is to you.
Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:37 pm
by Belligerent Savant
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I understood what Obama meant by 'digital fingerprints'. It's a key aspect of my line of work; I've testified in court numerous times on behalf of law firms on the topic of 'digital fingerprints'.
In addition to the points raised by Harvey regarding this topic, we should all be asking how 'misinformation' may be defined (based on what criteria) and by whom? And then, of course, the proposed 'solutions' are always worthy of scrutiny.