TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[Wombaticus Rex]

Ah, I mis-read the daug, thought he said they peaked years ago. Sheesh. I'm probably too retarded to bother forming opinions at this point in my death spiral into senescence.

[JackRiddler]

Do a new song. Seriously.

I've done my share of yanging about crackers, obviously, including on this site. Do remember I grew up as one among a species of them, in what was at the time a whole borough's worth, and was even present at Wrestlemania I. (This was in an arena where you paid to watch it on a big TV, with a friend who had a self-made "Roddy Piper is God" t-shirt. I can still tell you how the Roddy Piper vs. Mr. T match went.) I also got bullied as a kid for reading books and using words (I know words, as Trump might say). So if you catch me complaining about the American white peasantry, remember it's at least as much from the inside as from without.

[Nordic]

I am still just completely in confused about the freaking out about Trump. Obama is far worse, for real, than anything Trump aspires to. So is Hillary.

People have zero idea what our country does. Or do they just choose to ignore it?

And yeah Chris Hedges, the condescension level of his piece, holy shit.

It's so weird. It's like Daddy is a serial killer but he dresses nice and buys us nice toys and takes us to church on Sunday's. Just don't ask what's in that yummy sausage he brings home.

[Project Willow]

I think you’re both right, in pieces. I haven’t bothered to criticize Trump. I’m too paranoid and/or jaded to believe he's an accident. He’s absolutely tapping into wholly justified rage, but of course manipulating its expression towards scapegoats, bringing to boil entirely predictable human behavior that’s been on a low simmer for a long time. But people who call themselves liberals are also tone-deafly stoking the fire. If you’re a working class or poor person who regularly experiences actual hunger, you see liberals, who should be your advocates, preoccupied with micro-aggressions, trans bathroom issues, and non-offending pedophiles, and capping these off with admonishments to “check your privilege”. Now they’re calling you a stupid animal because you’re rejecting the establishment that impoverished you through support of a problematic candidate. Hedges is totally right that the liberal class is an abject failure, but he also fails to provide any viable solutions.

There’s rage everywhere and practically none of it will be pounded out on the people sitting on top of the pile that got us into this mess, who are still laughing and drinking scotch as they fan the flames.

Over ten years on this board we’ve been talking about fascism, what is it, is it here, are we in it? I think we’ve been up and down the little hills before the incline, now we’ve begun inching our way to the top of the big one. It’s not going to be a pleasant ride.

(edited for clarity, ha!)

[Joe Hillshoist]

I am still just completely in confused about the freaking out about Trump. Obama is far worse, for real, than anything Trump aspires to. So is Hillary.

People have zero idea what our country does. Or do they just choose to ignore it?

And yeah Chris Hedges, the condescension level of his piece, holy shit.

It's so weird. It's like Daddy is a serial killer but he dresses nice and buys us nice toys and takes us to church on Sunday's. Just don't ask what's in that yummy sausage he brings home.

Trump's not exactly gonna stop it tho is he. Thats the trouble. Its an institutional/structural problem.

[Nordic]

I think you’re both right, in pieces. I haven’t bothered to criticize Trump. I’m too paranoid and/or jaded to believe he's an accident. He’s absolutely tapping into wholly justified rage, but of course manipulating its expression towards scapegoats, bringing to boil entirely predictable human behavior that’s been on a low simmer for a long time. But people who call themselves liberals are also tone-deafly stoking the fire. If you’re a working class or poor person who regularly experiences actual hunger, you see liberals, who should be your advocates, preoccupied with micro-aggressions, trans bathroom issues, and non-offending pedophiles, and capping these off with admonishments to “check your privilege”. Now they’re calling you a stupid animal because you’re rejecting the establishment that impoverished you through support of a problematic candidate.

Thank you, that's perfect. That is why so many people can't stand "liberals". Nailed it.

[Luther Blissett]

I think you’re both right, in pieces. I haven’t bothered to criticize Trump. I’m too paranoid and/or jaded to believe he's an accident. He’s absolutely tapping into wholly justified rage, but of course manipulating its expression towards scapegoats, bringing to boil entirely predictable human behavior that’s been on a low simmer for a long time. But people who call themselves liberals are also tone-deafly stoking the fire. If you’re a working class or poor person who regularly experiences actual hunger, you see liberals, who should be your advocates, preoccupied with micro-aggressions, trans bathroom issues, and non-offending pedophiles, and capping these off with admonishments to “check your privilege”. Now they’re calling you a stupid animal because you’re rejecting the establishment that impoverished you through support of a problematic candidate. Hedges is totally right that the liberal class is an abject failure, but he also fails to provide any viable solutions.

Thank you, yes. I suppose I called it "inspiring" whereas the consensus is that it's actually a broadly pessimistic take is because it came to me in a discussion about actual organizing. We recently expanded our slumlord fight to a series of buildings where the tenants are poor mostly white older Italian women who probably are all voting Trump (though who's to say?). I'd like to think that's not actually a condescending act, the vast majority of young organizers are impoverished working class themselves — just passionate and energetic. We're not exactly trying to get them to vote for Stein here or do anything other than improve living conditions amongst this city's serious issues with deep poverty.

So in other words, I read something between the lines that might not actually be there.

[JackRiddler]

If you’re a working class or poor person who regularly experiences actual hunger, you see liberals, who should be your advocates, preoccupied with micro-aggressions, trans bathroom issues, and non-offending pedophiles, and capping these off with admonishments to “check your privilege”.

Yeah but
a) you see what attracts attention rather than what is generally so (either what the media push or what you get most obsessed with)
b) the term liberal is never defined and used promiscuously for often conflicting things and almost always pejoratively,
c) presumed representatives of a political view are associated with the view as though views are products of essential identities.

All of it is spectacular and personalized thinking. On all sides presumption of identities. The logic is if the spokesperson you most often see in the media for healthy organic annoys you (or if you are obsessed with one who annoys you), you should choose to eat McDonald's. And no atrocity of politicians justifies the choice of a con-man who promises to do worse.

[Wombaticus Rex]

All of it is spectacular and personalized thinking.

Jack, are you having a conversation about Trump supporters?

Because I'm pretty sure we all are. Except you.

[82_28]

I think the thing is is that drumpf is meant to have a totally built in revulsion effect and an ephemeral opinion of. There is shit that I agree with him on but the racism, to repeat myself, is what concerns me most. It could even be "dog whistle" racism, but that doesn't make it any more fair to the whole of humanity to set that example. Plus he is physically disgusting.

[Joe Hillshoist]

The guy doesn't give a fuck. He's telling people what they want to hear and meta programming them by over using the word "win".

He could be the greatest pres in history or Hitler's baby and there's no way to know cos all he has done is speak shit and avoid specifics.

it won't matter anyway cos if he gets elected he is just a cog in a dysfunctional machine.

[Belligerent Savant]

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t won't matter anyway cos if he gets elected he is just a cog in a dysfunctional machine.

Indeed, though the term 'dysfunctional' is relative.

Dysfunctional in its expected purpose on behalf of the American Citizenry, sure.

It appears to be working resoundingly well for those benefiting from it, however.

[Joe Hillshoist]

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t won't matter anyway cos if he gets elected he is just a cog in a dysfunctional machine.

Indeed, though the term 'dysfunctional' is relative.

Dysfunctional in its expected purpose on behalf of the American Citizenry, sure.

It appears to be working resoundingly well for those benefiting from it, however.

yeah i spose. But its not just dysfunctional on behalf of American citizens. There is a whole world the US presidency continues to fuck up at every opportunity.

[82_28]

There are a lot of Americans (not enough obviously) who feel the same.

[Belligerent Savant]

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t won't matter anyway cos if he gets elected he is just a cog in a dysfunctional machine.

Indeed, though the term 'dysfunctional' is relative.

Dysfunctional in its expected purpose on behalf of the American Citizenry, sure.

It appears to be working resoundingly well for those benefiting from it, however.

yeah i spose. But its not just dysfunctional on behalf of American citizens. There is a whole world the US presidency continues to fuck up at every opportunity.

Right. It's an increasingly global economy; the beneficiaries have global interests (counter to and to the detriment of the 'average' American). The modern empire extends its claw-like reach well beyond U.S. borders, and by all accounts the ramifications are far more tragic outside our "walls" rather than inside. For now, at least.