Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:48 pm
if I am uncertain about you AD....is that fair?
What you don't know can't hurt them.
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No, I just had that one, and it kept me busy enough. At the time it was perfect, it had a broad political membership, it was British, but also had a lively BNP section with members often washing their dirty laundry quite openly. Because I wasn't there primarily to fight, but to learn, I spent a good amount of time chatting and settling in and sometimes in half hearted spats (you know the sort of thing), you have to sit and wait for the good stuff to come along, you can't make it happen.brainpanhandler » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:34 pm wrote:I don't think the insinuation folded into the phrase "longstanding contacts" is fair AD.American Dream » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:52 pm wrote:
I should also clarify that it was jakell, when he really came on board here a couple of months ago who kept making references to his longstanding contacts with White Nationalists and conversations at the British Democracy Forum.
Jakell,
Are there any other forums i might visit and read your exchanges/participation?
Sorry to interrupt, but could you elaborate a bit on your scientific background? Because honestly, I don't buy it, if you mean formal training, academic degree, certifications etc. (for what those are worth).jakell » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:49 pm wrote:
my background is in science
BUT *whose* uncertainties, AD?American Dream » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:46 pm wrote:Point well taken and it is not my intention to be unfair- but it does get into the uncertainties about him, which have always been within his power to resolve.brainpanhandler » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:34 pm wrote:I don't think the insinuation folded into the phrase "longstanding contacts" is fair AD.American Dream » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:52 pm wrote:
I should also clarify that it was jakell, when he really came on board here a couple of months ago who kept making references to his longstanding contacts with White Nationalists and conversations at the British Democracy Forum.
I find that this applies on most forums nowadays, no matter what you are there for, either to learn or to get ideas across, that 90% of what you say will be lost, ignored, misinterpreted, ridiculed or attacked etc etc. It's a tough statistic, but you have to come to terms with it, and what is required is a hell of a lot of patience and resolve.you have to sit and wait for the good stuff to come along, you can't make it happen.
Intrigued why you said that - when jakell first arrived, I was veering towards him being a pseudoskeptic.Elvis » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:55 pm wrote:Sorry to interrupt, but could you elaborate a bit on your scientific background? Because honestly, I don't buy it, if you mean formal training, academic degree, certifications etc. (for what those are worth).jakell » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:49 pm wrote:
my background is in science
I use the term scientific background as a very minimalistic phrase (it's not so weird surely?) At school I was primarily interested in the hard sciences, and then went on to do a physics degree (30 years ago), my interest in the sciences started to wane during this period , which means I have a good grounding in science, but have not kept up with the latest stuff at all.Elvis » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:55 pm wrote:Sorry to interrupt, but could you elaborate a bit on your scientific background? Because honestly, I don't buy it, if you mean formal training, academic degree, certifications etc. (for what those are worth).jakell » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:49 pm wrote:
my background is in science
I seemed to remember that you said you work in nursing these days?jakell » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:17 pm wrote:I use the term scientific background as a very minimalistic phrase (it's not so weird surely?) At school I was primarily interested in the hard sciences, and then went on to do a physics degree (30 years ago), my interest in the sciences started to wane during this period , which means I have a good grounding in science, but have not kept up with the latest stuff at all.Elvis » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:55 pm wrote:Sorry to interrupt, but could you elaborate a bit on your scientific background? Because honestly, I don't buy it, if you mean formal training, academic degree, certifications etc. (for what those are worth).jakell » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:49 pm wrote:
my background is in science
The positive here is that I can understand a fair amount scientific papers if I try hard and feel motivated, which is useful in science based discussions(like the biological altruism one)
Jakell throws out these vague generalities ala "Of course I was hanging with those White Nationalists and BNP people because I'm an anti-fascist" but we know for example that he was advertising and expressing support for Keith Preston's site- which is broadly rejected by actual anti-fascists, and that he and ZGB in response to critiques of National Anarchism, expressed a position along the lines of "What is Anarchism, man? This is Anarchism", even though National Anarchism is broadlly and soundly rejected by actual, you know, anarchists.Searcher08 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:06 pm wrote:BUT *whose* uncertainties, AD?American Dream » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:46 pm wrote:Point well taken and it is not my intention to be unfair- but it does get into the uncertainties about him, which have always been within his power to resolve.brainpanhandler » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:34 pm wrote:I don't think the insinuation folded into the phrase "longstanding contacts" is fair AD.American Dream » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:52 pm wrote:
I should also clarify that it was jakell, when he really came on board here a couple of months ago who kept making references to his longstanding contacts with White Nationalists and conversations at the British Democracy Forum.
You frame it as though the uncertainties are an agreed feature of everyone's reality - like a physical rock in front of us - but it is an interpretation, something subjective.
Yep. Tried lots of different things and this one stuck. I find it is broadly challenging in that it requires a combination of mental, physical and emotional skills, not many jobs are like that.Searcher08 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:22 pm wrote:
I seemed to remember that you said you work in nursing these days?
Tuesday, February 25, 2014
Nazis in Ukraine
Posted by As'ad AbuKhalil"The most aggressive element of the opposition is a group calling itself Pravy Sektor, a right-wing nationalist organization that critics liken to Nazis.
It was Pravy Sektor that took the initiative in January as political leaders of the opposition wavered and came under criticism for inaction. Its helmeted members marched off the Maidan in Kiev and entered into a street battle with police a few blocks away.
They seized the initiative, and that moment paved the way for the much deadlier violence, and then governmental collapse, of this past week.
What to do about Pravy Sektor now is a problem. Sadoviy said that the new interior minister has to try to establish communication with them and channel their energy in legal directions. It could be a daunting task, now that so much blood has been shed."
Yes indeed, I used to do loads of NLP groups with CPNs down in the South West - good times! (one of my fave sets of human beings)jakell » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:45 pm wrote:Yep. Tried lots of different things and this one stuck. I find it is broadly challenging in that it requires a combination of mental, physical and emotional skills, not many jobs are like that.Searcher08 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:22 pm wrote:
I seemed to remember that you said you work in nursing these days?
I also like the fact that I don't need to ask myself if it is worthwhile (not many jobs are like that).