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Allegro wrote:.

• Julian Cope | These Things I Know
  
  
  
  Thanks, gnosticheresy_2, for the Cope vid you posted on the previous page.

For my reference.
2008 article wrt Cope.

Interesting article

Then there’s a homily in the CD booklet which justifies why he lets pagan deities off the hook while aiming both barrels at “Jehovah, Allah and the Christian God”, because, as I understand it, we’re Northern Europeans and those are Middle Eastern “Divine Phenomena”. It’s a tidy argument, and one familiar to long-term Cope obsessives, but one which ignores the fact that the idea of an indigenous faith is at best irrelevant, and at worst offensive, to a modern, mobile, multi-cultural community. Cope gets pretty close to suggesting that if you live in Britain and feel the need to worship a God, then you should worship a pagan, Northern European one – surely exactly the kind of dogmatism and intolerance which he purports, as a "Black Sheep" outsider, to despise?

Great tunes, problematic ideas I think

I only really know Julian Cope's music through the two (amazing) albums he did in the early 90s, Peggy Suicide and Jehovahkill (plus Rite I suppose, though that's not really a proper "album"). I drifted away as he returned to making more staright up "rock" music but I've seen him live relatively recently and he was pretty good. I've got his The Modern Antiquarian book as well, he's absolutely obsessed with the idea of the (rock) artist-as-shaman, and this "shamanic" link to some idea of "Albion" before the Romans came with its worship of the female-mother-goddess archetype, its people being tightly bound to the ebb and flow of the seasons, deep (dream?) time before the coming of the male gods. However the author's assertion that:

It’s a tidy argument, and one familiar to long-term Cope obsessives, but one which ignores the fact that the idea of an indigenous faith is at best irrelevant, and at worst offensive, to a modern, mobile, multi-cultural community

or

Cope gets pretty close to suggesting that if you live in Britain and feel the need to worship a God, then you should worship a pagan, Northern European one

..is pushing it quite a bit I think. Obviously I'd have to withhold judgement on until I'd read it myself, but I've certainly never got that impression, seen him live a few times, read interviews etc and he always comes across as basically just wanting to go back in time and be a caveman.

Badges? Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!
Sissyfied, you're civilized, I want to be a savage

I see Cope (at least in the period I know him from) as being charged with some of the same current as Alan Moore, the KLF and Grant Morrison. Mystic Britain, mystic Bree-tain, he's still pissed at the Romans basically

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gnosticheresy_2 wrote:... he's absolutely obsessed with the idea of the (rock) artist-as-shaman, and this "shamanic" link to some idea of "Albion" before the Romans came with its worship of the female-mother-goddess archetype, its people being tightly bound to the ebb and flow of the seasons, deep (dream?) time before the coming of the male gods...

I see Cope (at least in the period I know him from) as being charged with some of the same current as Alan Moore, the KLF and Grant Morrison. Mystic Britain, mystic Bree-tain, he's still pissed at the Romans basically

Sounds like my kinda guy. Kidding ! Very interesting (and I'm not writing this tongue-in-cheek), especially what you wrote in that first quoted paragraph, above.

I hadn't known Cope until your post, and I liked the song and the one I posted too, because the lyrics are understandable first time around plus the music wasn't constantly putting the singer at the top of his lungs, which is a welcomed relief. Since my background is in the classics, I tend to listen critically to voices and instruments in performances rather than understanding the histories of the pop artists and why those singers' experiences inspired their songs; albeit, the exceptions to what I just wrote are now noticed at RI. The unknown exposes my curiosities, for sure. (Little did I know that my signature would launch studies into the pop world .)

Now that I've spent hours of listening here at RI, and reading lyrics elsewhere, please see me as your average kindergartener sitting in his little desk with a little tablet and pencil, taking in as much of it as it comes. I'm really enjoying the ride. Thanks, gnosticheres2, for your help. Any additional is ALWAYS appreciated, I have to tell you.

Oh, nearly forgot. While reading about Cope, Alan Moore, the KLF, Grant Morrison, and doing some more looking around at other singers, this guy, Daryl Hall, popped up. I guess in some ways he's a mystic (like Cope)? I don't know, exactly. But I kinda like this arrangement, although I'm not quite sure I understand its message.

• Daryl Hall | Babs and Babs
  
  
  
  Some notes wrt Hall's Sacred Sounds are here at Youtube. I'd not be surprised if most RI music lovers are already familiar with Hall's work.

Until next time.

Allegro wrote: I'd not be surprised if most RI music lovers are already familiar with Hall's work.

Until next time.

IanEye wrote:
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think I'll spend eternity in the city
let the carbon and monoxide choke my thoughts away
and pretty bodies help dissolve the memories
but they can never be
what she once was to me...



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Love is what it does and ours is doing nothing
But all the time we spent
It must be good for something
Please forgive all the disturbance I'm creating
But you got a lot to learn if you think that I'm not waiting for you...

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Oh come on you can do better than that! Sometimes the obvious classics are the best....







on edit: sorry missed the link to the topic. Still stand by my song choices though

don't forget their unintentional Viagra-related song...

these guys are kinda funny, but this is a good pop song...

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• Enough Is Enough | Chumbawamba LIVE 1993
  
  
  LYRICS.
  Open your eyes
  Time to wake up
  Enough is enough is enough is enough
  Give the fascist man a gunshot
  
  Trying an trying again to get this damn thing done
  It can’t done
  Come kill the fascist with a gun
  ’cos it’s stopping us from unity
  We cannot see reality
  Just vanity insanity fusion cannot stand it see
  No man fascist man will ever get me outta the land
  So understand fusion plan to stop them with a bang
  We sang and sang to make the people all unite
  Not fight but fight because the leaders don’t think right
  You burnt us in the part you know it won’t happen again
  So black and white take a stand and all try to defend all of the people and the children who are living in the past
  Just blast and blast don’t make the fascist man last
  
  Open your eyes
  Time to wake up
  Enough is enough is enough is enough
  Give the fascist man a gunshot
  
  On and on and on you the feeling’s so strong
  So long
  It’s wrong
  I’m telling you it’s wrong
  Destruction confusion and blaming it on the colour
  I wonder in horror ’cos the people start to follow
  All the leaders and the rulers who are putting up the fence
  It’s dens immense and you say you’re talking sense
  Bull bull I want to say it full
  But people on the radio you know will make a pull
  So I try to tone it down to make the whole world know that the language of my violence will proceed in my show
  Flow flow to make the fascist man know
  That unity is here and unity will grow
  
  Open your eyes
  Time to wake up
  Enough is enough is enough is enough
  Give the fascist man a gunshot

Chumbawamba: I've yet to hear too much of.