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Oh yes, I do consider it and your right about the trajectory of abstract expressionism. In fact Europe was often the home of such seeds in other things like scientific advances, they just didn't go far until they came the the US and got run thru the Capitalist, free enterprise system (for better or worse) and became real products. There wasn't enough money, enough individualistic culture, not to mention that Europe was usually war torn and divided along numerous lines and weighted down with lots and lots of historical baggage.
You know, just look at it, Rockwell's rendition of Pollock, you just know he loved painting that and I don't know, but I suspect that Rockwell got Pollock.
Hugh brings up very compelling cites that illustrate that such socially manipulative sciences can act as gods and manipulate us in ways we know little about.
But, taking your view, which I also agree with, I don't think Hugh's vision and evidence allows much breathing space for the organic, natural development of these ideas. This is why I take the stance that it is the hijacking, not the invention that is the issue. But please, I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. I think the same with the rise of LSD and the counterculture where it was the CIA and the intel agencies that tagged along, literally, as the initial discoverers went to South America to investigate psychedelic plants. They infiltrated and then hijacked. And why not, who would want to hijack an illegitimate, synthetic movement when there are plenty legitimate, natural ones around? You don't need an intricate plan stretching decades, I'm not saying there aren't, but you don't need one when you are merely hijacking.
So, I don't see a real conflict with the two or your views, mostly a difference in emphasis and perhaps a different take on the power (and powerlessness) each of these entities has.
You know, just look at it, Rockwell's rendition of Pollock, you just know he loved painting that and I don't know, but I suspect that Rockwell got Pollock.
Hugh brings up very compelling cites that illustrate that such socially manipulative sciences can act as gods and manipulate us in ways we know little about.
But, taking your view, which I also agree with, I don't think Hugh's vision and evidence allows much breathing space for the organic, natural development of these ideas. This is why I take the stance that it is the hijacking, not the invention that is the issue. But please, I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. I think the same with the rise of LSD and the counterculture where it was the CIA and the intel agencies that tagged along, literally, as the initial discoverers went to South America to investigate psychedelic plants. They infiltrated and then hijacked. And why not, who would want to hijack an illegitimate, synthetic movement when there are plenty legitimate, natural ones around? You don't need an intricate plan stretching decades, I'm not saying there aren't, but you don't need one when you are merely hijacking.
So, I don't see a real conflict with the two or your views, mostly a difference in emphasis and perhaps a different take on the power (and powerlessness) each of these entities has.
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One has to consider as well the manipulative creating of the conditions that will allow a 'natural' movement to grow.
I don't think I see this in the arts so much, after all they don't have actual armies, but I do see it in politics and geopolitics where reactionarianism ( is that a word?) is one of the most dependable and trustworthy ways to get your way, and I do think it is planned over decades and longer. I'll plug Guido Prparata's book Conjuring Hitler. It's on Scribd.
I don't think I see this in the arts so much, after all they don't have actual armies, but I do see it in politics and geopolitics where reactionarianism ( is that a word?) is one of the most dependable and trustworthy ways to get your way, and I do think it is planned over decades and longer. I'll plug Guido Prparata's book Conjuring Hitler. It's on Scribd.
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Don't Fuck With Lainie Kazan....
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Don't Fuck with Zoe Kazan either...
Lainie Kazan Selling Aqua Velva

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I think I like you, just_dude.just_dude wrote:See this is crazy. Now why would I want to tell Hugh he's nuts for this suggestion? If I do that, there might be someone watching who has something important to say, and might not because of that precedence.Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:"Samantha" and advertising...post-black list 1962 lawsuit by John Henry Faulk against advertising firm Young and Rubicam for enforcing the witch-hunts and ending many careers...Trifecta wrote:Twitter is CIA for semantic agents
Instead, I'd rather come up with something that tempers it's insane reach. In a constructive and civil manner.
Or just keep my mouth shut, which is what I do, cuz I just don't know.
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Just teasin', I look for any excuse to post an Anchorman clip.barracuda wrote:Yeah, okay, I'll shut up now.monster wrote:http://tinyurl.com/n9h8a2
(Edit: Whoops, I deleted part of this post, which barracuda responded to below.)
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I hear that, monster. When I saw Hugh's two-line OP thrown down like a wriggling worm, I really just felt like springing the trap for the sheer perversity of it. And something rather magical did come out of it after all...
I actually took a look at some of the other clips of that film after you lead me there, and found one other that seems applicable to my journey of self discovery through this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnM75h69t9Q&NR=1
So, thanks for the tip.
The fresh hope of young love has blossomed before our eyes. And that's beautiful thing, I don't care who you are.Code Unknown wrote:I think I like you, just_dude.just_dude wrote:Or just keep my mouth shut, which is what I do, cuz I just don't know.
I actually took a look at some of the other clips of that film after you lead me there, and found one other that seems applicable to my journey of self discovery through this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnM75h69t9Q&NR=1
So, thanks for the tip.
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TMI.barracuda wrote:I actually took a look at some of the other clips of that film after you lead me there, and found one other that seems applicable to my journey of self discovery through this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnM75h69t9Q&NR=1
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- Hugh Manatee Wins
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As I type here in the SF Bay area listening to National Propaganda Radio, I'm hearing a plug for the corporate sponsor, the Edutopia Fund-just_dude wrote:See this is crazy. Now why would I want to tell Hugh he's nuts for this suggestion?Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:"Samantha" and advertising...post-black list 1962 lawsuit by John Henry Faulk against advertising firm Young and Rubicam for enforcing the witch-hunts and ending many careers...Trifecta wrote:Twitter is CIA for semantic agents
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http://www.edutopia.org/
-which is all about schooling of young'uns...and which is billionaire George Lucas' PR front to cover his CIA-militarist ass through a regional division of a national psyops system per US Army Field Manual 100-20.
Re: 'Bewitched' and a lawsuit exposing the blacklist system-
"Crazy, nuts" -This dismissal reflects a lack of understanding of both the scandal's significance and the plausibly deniable neuroscience tactics deployed as counterpropaganda by CIA in typical television shows.
State-controlled entertainment media scripts combine two things within one narrative-
propaganda and counterpropaganda.
> The propaganda promotes authoritarian militarist values - power dominance, conventional hierarchies of white over black, male authority, might makes right, etc.
> The counterpropaganda deploys interference theory and inoculation theory against 'hostile information' that would discredit male authority- reports of scandal, corruption, whistleblowers, competing ideologies, egalitarianism, feminism, etc.
Counterpropaganda is a form of culture-jamming.
In the 1950s right after WWII, most psyops was simply pro-militarist propaganda.
John Wayne-ism. Good cowboys with guns vs bad injuns with spears.
But by 1959 counterpropaganda to hide PR liabilities became the greater part of the psyops equation because there was lots more to hide so that ugly history and scary technologies wouldn't interfere with public support of authority.
The masses were horrified by nuclear weapons, fallout, losing the Korean War, pesticides, etc. The CIA was horrified they'd also find out about Project Paperclip, MK-ULTRA, secret wars around the world, CIA propaganda channels, etc.
Research into memory recall validated the strategy of doing culture jamming to minimize the spread and presence of 'bad news' in American culture.
This strategy relies on a very basic tactic - creating and marketing competing associations with keywords and themes.
Research into semantic priming - exposing people to words and ideas in one narrative context that transfers to people being more accepting of those words and ideas in a different context - established the value of embedding covert psyops in entertainment and advertising, not just news.
So the WWII propaganda model of writing the equivalent of moral fables to aid the war effort, much the same way cultures have socialized their young for eons, metamorphosed into more specifically creating power-friendly associations with keywords and themes to counter other information...by using cleverly crafted fictional narratives that have an internal coherence which provides cover for the intended external affect in the real world.
Any exposure to competing associations with keywords and themes serves this function so either entertainment or advertising does the job.
And, by no coincidence, the CIA has a presence in both of these fields.
The decoy of 'Bewitched' countered the court case exposure of an advertising firm, Young and Rubicam, being a front for CIA and enforcing ideological hegemony in Hollywood by gatekeeping all hiring and ending many careers. Even an eight year-old girl was denied employment due to 'national security considerations.' (This history and court transcripts are included in Ellen Schrecker's 1994 'A Brief History of McCarthyism with Documents.' Schrecker is a leading academic expert on the USG's illegal abuses during the Cold War and so she's also one of the reasons for CIA-DIsney's 'Shrek' series of animated films for kidz.)
When Faulk's court case exposed the Hollywood black list 'witch hunt' system being run through an advertising agency, this necessitated creating a counter-association with the juxtaposition of the keywords 'advertising' and 'witch' to prevent having every TV commercial trigger the meme 'black list.' So the keywords were hijacked and meme-reversals were created to maximize interference theory and inoculation theory. It is "Endora," the witchy mother-inlaw that rejects the advertising man, Darrin, for instance.
And Darrin's boss at the advertising firm, Larry Tate, is carefully kept ignorant of the 'witches.' Plus Cold War memes are reinforced - there is something 'wicked' being hidden from the advertising men. And on and on.
The public must be steered away from understanding all psyops tools of commerce and governance. So psyops itself is one of the topics that gets a counterpropaganda treatment to hide it.
This situation was described in this quote by Bertrand Russell in his 'The Impact of Science on Society'-
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology....Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated."
CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz!
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz!
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- barracuda
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Yes, I'm reduced to this...
So then does counterpropaganda get a psyops to hide it as well?Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:...psyops itself is one of the topics that gets a counterpropaganda treatment to hide it.
Just teasin'. Of course it does.

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- Hugh Manatee Wins
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I was referring to a previous history of IanEye posts on fuzzy logic associative psychology in pop culture, not specifically his Kazan series above where he may have different perception of where Kazan's film fit on the subversive/fascist scale.smiths wrote:i am glad you get that ianEye gets it hugh, but i dont,
what the hell is the girl with heart shaped ass got to do with this, and elia kazan? what the fuck does this all mean
I don't want to bog down in pages of discussing just Kazan or Dali but get to my op subject of statist psyops. Kazan's iconic films are worth examining for their contextual propaganda.

The association of civil rights issues - race - with a keyword as loaded as 'Pinky' (1949) and then the anti-union film 'On the Waterfront' (1954) makes an interesting example of how film can fortify fascist values while seeming to be progressive in another age. People think of 'Waterfront' as being pro-whistleblower in a conformist age but it was against unions which are portrayed as corrupt thuggish gangs.
The patriarchal mil-intel elites were and still are concerned that the women's vote is 'too soft' on social hierarchy, labor, civil rights, war, etc.
Just before election days in the 1950s you can see this theme expressed in the CIA psyops that Norman Rockwell was making for the cover of the Saturday Evening Post.
J. Edgar Hoover painted the black civil rights movement as a commie front, as 'pink,' for decades and even published a psyops book by a black woman named Julia Brown who claimed to be an FBI infiltrator of civil rights meetings that were, natch, infested with commies, probably other FBI agents. This 1966 book was called 'I Testify: My Years as an FBI Undercover Agent' and had an intro by Herbert Philbrick of 'I Led Three Lives' Cold War spy TV fame, allegedly a favorite show of (one of the young ) Lee Harvey Oswalds.
http://www.amazon.com/Testify-Years-F-B ... B001MPWLTA

Feminism was also seen as being under the shadow of anti-patriarchal communist subversion so after the one-two punch of Rachel Carson and Betty Friedan hitting The Man in 1962-63, there was a psyops response of reinforcing negative female stereotypes, like witches and childish shrews.
We got 'Mary Poppins' and 'My Fair Lady' and the psyops scripts for John Wayne were deployed against these dangerous women-
IanEye's image series does show the temporal and marketing dynamic of one association memetically displacing another.
This is easy to do for spooks who run mainstream media and can displace a subversive Woody Guthrie with another "Woody" using CIA-Disney's 'Toy Story,' for instance.
And Disney's "Woody" cowboy character was meant to displace yet another dying-of-cancer cowboy known as the Marlboro Man plus legislation afoot banning the use of cartoon characters in tobacco advertising as being too effective on kidz. So a heartwarming story using toys that are pseudo-real was marketed with characters that resembled some used for alcohol and tobacco ads.
One of these mornings the chain is gonna break
But up until then, yeah, I'm gonna take all I can take
Chain, chain, chain, chain, chain, chain
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CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
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Disney is CIA for kidz!
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz!
- Hugh Manatee Wins
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Re: Miranda
In 1940, Darryl Zanuck of 'Pinky' fame above, made Carmen Miranda an anchor for FDR's pre-WWII 'Good Neighbor' policy (euphemism for Monroe Doctrine) with Latin America as a project for Nelson Rockefeller's Office of the Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs, a kind of pre-CIA hemispheric intelligence agency. Disney made 'Saludos, Amigos' in 1942.barracuda wrote: .....
Recommended book - 'Banana, Beaches, and Bases: Making Feminist Sense of International Politics' by Cynthia Enloe (1989).
Enloe writes, "Latin American movie stars replaced the Marines as the guarantors of regional hegemony." Well, Carmen Miranda's hats certainly were good for United Fruit's business.
If it was the 'Miranda rights' ruling you were kidding about, barracuda, there were psyops films made to support 'the cop's side' of this dangerous imposition on their prerogatives. James Garner played a likable non-threatening but firm comic sheriff in 'Support Your Local Sheriff' and 'Support Your Local Gunfighter.'
I've only seen the first 'Support Your' movie and it has anti-union and anti-Emma Goldman subliminal material also embedded in it to blame the Nixon-era cost of living on those damn pinkos.
CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz!
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz!
- Hugh Manatee Wins
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Um, so.
The brain shares many attributes of the cyber-keyword economy.
http://www.marketingvox.com/advertising ... rs-022963/
Advertising.com: Optimizing Keyword Creative Works Wonders
Simple, relatively low-cost techniques related to search keywords, titles and descriptions can dramatically improve search performance for advertisers, according to a new study of keyword performance for paid search campaigns.
The study by AOL's Advertising.com tested three creative optimization techniques, each with a different goal, and found that "keyword insertion" resulted in a 38 percent increase in click-through rates, on average; "keyword expansion" resulted in a 15 percent in click volume; and "targeted URLs" resulted in a 36 percent increase in conversions.
Keyword insertion refers to the incorporation, into the sponsored link, of the exact keywords that the consumer is searching for. Keyword expansion refers to the expanding of an existing list of keywords by generating additional terms that contain more specific information; the intent is to increase the overall volume of consumers.
>snip<
The brain shares many attributes of the cyber-keyword economy.
http://www.marketingvox.com/advertising ... rs-022963/
Advertising.com: Optimizing Keyword Creative Works Wonders
Simple, relatively low-cost techniques related to search keywords, titles and descriptions can dramatically improve search performance for advertisers, according to a new study of keyword performance for paid search campaigns.
The study by AOL's Advertising.com tested three creative optimization techniques, each with a different goal, and found that "keyword insertion" resulted in a 38 percent increase in click-through rates, on average; "keyword expansion" resulted in a 15 percent in click volume; and "targeted URLs" resulted in a 36 percent increase in conversions.
Keyword insertion refers to the incorporation, into the sponsored link, of the exact keywords that the consumer is searching for. Keyword expansion refers to the expanding of an existing list of keywords by generating additional terms that contain more specific information; the intent is to increase the overall volume of consumers.
>snip<
CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz!
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
...
Disney is CIA for kidz!
