Has RI gone MAGA?

[Iamwhomiam]

Or the kind of gatekeeper that's beyond partisan.

Are you suggesting that Jack Riddler is beyond partisan?

This is not any devious plan by globalists or pharmaceuticals; it is a systems failure.

Sorta like 9/11 was just a few crazy assed Muslims who were pissed off because of our freedoms?

All I can say is that Bill Gates spent his money wisely.
Pfizer marketing gets an A+
Edward Bernays was right, just wear a white coat and you can fool the masses.

IAM, the suggestion on here that someone get counseling is incredibly insulting and absolutely inappropriate. When Jack makes his asshole comments about healing I take them exactly as that, asshole comments. Yours however, cross a line. That kind of personal attack has no place here. Other threads were locked and tossed into the firepit for the same kind of crap.

Let's start here:

Or the kind of gatekeeper that's beyond partisan.

Are you suggesting that Jack Riddler is beyond partisan?

You think small. Did I mention Jack Riddler?

This thread is such wannabe gatekeeper bullshit.

This is not any devious plan by globalists or pharmaceuticals; it is a systems failure.

Sorta like 9/11 was just a few crazy assed Muslims who were pissed off because of our freedoms?

This is an ignorant response and offensive. It is contrary to all I've ever offered on the subject.

All I can say is that Bill Gates spent his money wisely.
Pfizer marketing gets an A+
Edward Bernays was right, just wear a white coat and you can fool the masses.

Oh, you don't need a white coat! Your focus on bill gates is concerning. And that brings us to this beauty:

IAM, the suggestion on here that someone get counseling is incredibly insulting and absolutely inappropriate. When Jack makes his asshole comments about healing I take them exactly as that, asshole comments. Yours however, cross a line. That kind of personal attack has no place here. Other threads were locked and tossed into the firepit for the same kind of crap.

Stressed as he apparently is, I offered a heartfelt and sincere sentiment to stickdog to seek counseling, just as I would for any other poster here. I'll keep it mind not to recommend counseling to you karmamatterz, as you seem incorrigible. You'd interpret my suggestion to help calm your nerves as an insult rather than sage advise.

I'll still love you, even when you're rude.

[stickdog99]

stickdog99 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:15 pm

It's amazing to me how my former True Blue Teammates have devolved to the point that any missive that questions their narrative is now instinctively addressed first with shaming, then with calls for moderation, and finally with threats of boycott if the moderators don't take immediate steps to redact the enemy wrongthink.

This all is untrue! No one but you and bs have been insulting to any who didn't agree with you. No one has called for any posting to be moderated and there have been no threats to boycotting RI and no one has asked for any of the idiotic nonsense being posted to be redacted.

Maybe you should see a counselor.

LOL. I wasn't talking about this venue. In fact, I was praising this venue in comparison to almost all other venues. Folks, if the shoes don't fit, feel free not to wear them. Sorry, but I always thought that went without saying around here.

[stickdog99]

Don't pretend your anti-"big pharma". Don't pretend because you don't want to take a vaccine you're pro-freedom. Your not freedom marchers. Your "rights", which exist only on paper, were taken away long ago. This irresponsible insolence is whining in the face of corporate-militarist-nationalism that is implicit and tacitly entrenched before your father met your mother. Play Twisted Sister all you want. Your fate was sealed when you picked up your paycheck from the military police-state. Punching at "the left" displays the callow underdeveloped philosophy used by OAN, Newsmax, Faux News to help sell dish soap, survival meal plans, and promptly pissed out vitamin supplements. A bunch of vampires on "the right" who can't see their own reflection. Possessing veracious perception involves questioning your own beliefs, not that of others.

Don't pretend the biosecurity overreaches that are being implemented right before your eyes are anything other than totalitarianism that you welcomed (or at least never lifted a single finger to fight against) because of your outsized fear of COVID-19, your compassion for those who have suffered from its effects, and especially your blind faith in the unique ability of anything labeled a "vaccine" to miraculously cure all the ills of capitalism.

Can you at least be principled enough to make a stand against medical apartheid? I mean, what if we were making the right to work, to get medical care, to travel, and to enter buildings contingent on one's AIDS status or flu vaccination status or smoker status or tax debt status or social media status? What if Southern Republican mayors were issuing authoritarian executive mandates to make voting rights contingent on being fully vaccinated with all the latest and greatest mRNA booster shots? Would you see any potential problems with any of these Orwellian dictats?

Sorry, but you can't enter our workplace until you can prove that you took your mandated Chantix, Oxycontin, Serzone, and Vioxx. You know, for you own good as well as the good of $ociety.

I mean, we all have to do our part to protect our neighbors from your second hand smoke and infection from your depressed thoughts!

This is the world that all of you are welcoming with open arms just because you so desperately want to force everyone on Earth to get the same leaky mRNA vaccines that you got. When you are confronted with these arguments, you have no recourse but to lash out in fits of pure tribalism. or else simply change the channel.

Basically everyone I know hates my guts for being "anti-vax." Trust me that just like the universally vilified RFK, Jr., I would rather not go there. But I have come to the conclusion that our communal blind faith that all vaccines are inherently Godly and that any criticism of any specific vaccine is inherently Satanly is the true heart of the logical disconnect that has everyone I know praying to a smiling Big Pharma Brother.

[Laodicean]

https://youtu.be/Ei5j-DvqDtI

We'll create the cure; we made the disease
Frustrated, Incorporated
Frustrated, Incorporated
Well I know just what you need
I might just have the thing
I know what you'd pay to feel

[Marionumber1]

Always framing anything that isn't extreme left, anti-capitalist, pro socialist, pro communist, pro authoritarian nanny state and paternalistic as MAGA MAGA MAGA.

Ah yes, the ongoing COVID operation was clearly a manifestation of a leftist/socialist/communist impulse in our society. Protecting Big Pharma from scrutiny, supporting the ability of private companies to access people's health records (and make hiring/firing decisions from that), and empowering a hybrid public/private surveillance state are stark examples of being "anti-capitalist", right? The mainstream "left" is garbage on these issues but they are also not left-wing in any real sense.

The idea that this board has gone "MAGA" is very much unfounded. I have yet to see anyone here express support for Trump, even if I have seen some people express a belief (which is highly-misguided in my opinion) that Trump is somehow an aberration or at odds with the deep state. And as much as it makes me cringe, if right-wing sources are the only ones reporting on critical information, it makes sense to use them (though I'd add qualifiers for the inherent bias) and doing so does not make someone "MAGA". The tribalism and gatekeeping, however, goes both ways, as many of the people here who take the greatest offense at being called "MAGA" are also quick to accuse a person of supporting Big Pharma, authoritarianism, etc. if that person expresses the slightest challenge to anything they said.

Little-noted blast from the past: the mostly Republican-affiliated American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a shadowy corporate lobby group with immense influence in state legislatures around the country, was a pivotal force in pushing mandatory vaccines circa 2015: https://www.naturalblaze.com/2015/07/alec-behind-recent-push-for-mandatory.html Yes, those considering themselves leftists who supported this legislation are dupes, but so are figures on the right who continue to support this apparatus and its servants in politics. It is a major problem that to most people familiar with the idea of a deep state, the term mainly evokes "liberal" entities like the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Trilateral Commission, Bill Gates, etc. but not conservative entities like ALEC, the Council for National Policy (CNP), Robert Mercer, etc.

[Iamwhomiam]

stickdog99 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:15 pm

It's amazing to me how my former True Blue Teammates have devolved to the point that any missive that questions their narrative is now instinctively addressed first with shaming, then with calls for moderation, and finally with threats of boycott if the moderators don't take immediate steps to redact the enemy wrongthink.

This all is untrue! No one but you and bs have been insulting to any who didn't agree with you. No one has called for any posting to be moderated and there have been no threats to boycotting RI and no one has asked for any of the idiotic nonsense being posted to be redacted.

Maybe you should see a counselor.

LOL. I wasn't talking about this venue. In fact, I was praising this venue in comparison to almost all other venues. Folks, if the shoes don't fit, feel free not to wear them. Sorry, but I always thought that went without saying around here.

I read your comment and fully understood it entirely. First, it's interesting you too feel this thread is functioning as a gatekeeper.

The first line I've set in bold is what you call "praise." The second, now enlarged, informs us your praise to be disingenuous. Does "this venue" written in your first quoted sentence I set in bold type supposed to be a different venue from "this venue" in your following sentence I set in bold and enlarged?

This thread is such wannabe gatekeeper bullshit.

Sure, but that also is wholly indicative of the ongoing experiment in Red vs. Blue tribalization, at least in the United States. This is one of the very few non-Trump-loving places that I know of on the internet where I am even allowed to discuss heresies against ultra orthodox Covidianism. And since Team Blue has now wholly embraced authoritarian censorship of any dissent against authoritarianism, this venue's tolerance of such heresies is tantamount to aiding and abetting enemy Team Red.

It's amazing to me how my former True Blue Teammates have devolved to the point that any missive that questions their narrative is now instinctively addressed first with shaming, then with calls for moderation, and finally with threats of boycott if the moderators don't take immediate steps to redact the enemy wrongthink.

[Iamwhomiam]

I would never consider David Rockefeller or the institutions he founded "liberal," Mario.

[Marionumber1]

I would never consider David Rockefeller or the institutions he founded "liberal," Mario.

I definitely agree; me putting "liberal" in quotes was referring to the very skewed way that much of the parapolitical research world views these figures, and the fact that they may be part of a comparatively liberal wing within the deep state (even though that of course doesn't mean they're actually on the left).

[Laodicean]

https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/stat ... 12928?s=20

[Iamwhomiam]

It is clearly a question, nashvillebrook, not an accusation. Seems two members feel RI has become tribal, maybe because of all the insulting adolescent name calling, or the diversion to another topic rather than responding to questions when asked, often ignoring the questioner completely. Coulda been the Nazi shit, for all I know. I don't see it that way, but certainly agree with Elvis that a new observer might view RI that way. I see it more like a(n) (induced) libertarian shift to conservatism.

@iamwhoiam, Interpersonal struggles and deliberate disruption notwithstanding (what you mention is def deliberate disruption), invoking “MAGA” is a call to conformity…as is just about everything in the ‘blue wave’/#resistance agenda lately. “Tone” is signified in “are ya’ll MAGA; are ya’ll Q.” The Q one is especially funny b/c this is the last place I’d go to find ppl who “trust the plan.”

The question implies contempt; “things have gotten so bad at RI that we must reflect on our MAGA-ness.”

RI has always had an aggressive posting style (as well as passive-aggressive). But I kinda expect that of a message board with lots of deep- and/or parapolitics, b/c it attracts who are passionate about stuff.

I also expect a board with this pedigree to be above (or beside) raw partisan politics. I know most of you are lefties. I see some ppl being dicks. Maybe there are civil libertarians and libertarians. So what??

We'll have to agree to disagree, nashvillebrook, at least in regard to the op. I agree with what you've written in your third paragraph.

I did find this a bit confusing:

...invoking “MAGA” is a call to conformity…as is just about everything in the ‘blue wave’/#resistance agenda lately. “Tone” is signified in “are ya’ll MAGA; are ya’ll Q.”

followed later with this, which I agree with:

I also expect a board with this pedigree to be above (or beside) raw partisan politics.

and then this comes next:

I know most of you are lefties. I see some ppl being dicks. Maybe there are civil libertarians and libertarians. So what??

Aside from Pot meets Kettle aspect, you project and do exactly what you've claimed was wrong with the op

Honestly, no libertarian posting in this thread has been civil.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I would never consider David Rockefeller or the institutions he founded "liberal," Mario.

I definitely would; there is no modern liberalism outside the orbit of Rockefeller money and control.

The fact we have to put so many of these political "philosophies" in "quotes" like "liberals" is a big tell that we're talking about some cynical bullshit, a stage show. The entire concept of a political spectrum is an artifact from a revolution where urbanites roamed the countryside murdering farmers in creative, modern ways. After awhile they had Napoleon. Now they have Macron.

It's just statists arguing about who should control the state and who should be ground to dust underneath it. Rockefellers are definitely liberals, Timothy Leary famously decided he'd rather play for the Yankees because the CIA is liberal, too.

[drstrangelove]

I refuse to cede the identity of the term liberal, however frayed the semantics have become.

Rockefeller family and other custodian banking dynasties such as Mellon are only liberal so far as they have controlled what used to be the liberal bastions of the scientific and academic estates through endowments and institutional trusts.

So like all things, there needs to be a distinction between liberalism and institutional liberalism, which I call corporate progressivism.

What's happening to secular institutions is what started happening to the church at the advent of the printing press and publishing house.

The organisations that replaced the church as a primary information authority on truth, are now institutions themselves facing a similar issue with the advent of the internet.

Church controls truth. Printing press exposes church and creates new secular scientific organisations. These become institutions and take over from the church as new information authorities. Internet exposes these secular institutions. <----- we are here.

Hence the the reactionary nature of 'the science' currently.

History repeats itself. Always. Everything is a cycle. Round and round we go.

[stickdog99]

Always framing anything that isn't extreme left, anti-capitalist, pro socialist, pro communist, pro authoritarian nanny state and paternalistic as MAGA MAGA MAGA.

Ah yes, the ongoing COVID operation was clearly a manifestation of a leftist/socialist/communist impulse in our society. Protecting Big Pharma from scrutiny, supporting the ability of private companies to access people's health records (and make hiring/firing decisions from that), and empowering a hybrid public/private surveillance state are stark examples of being "anti-capitalist", right? The mainstream "left" is garbage on these issues but they are also not left-wing in any real sense.

The idea that this board has gone "MAGA" is very much unfounded. I have yet to see anyone here express support for Trump, even if I have seen some people express a belief (which is highly-misguided in my opinion) that Trump is somehow an aberration or at odds with the deep state. And as much as it makes me cringe, if right-wing sources are the only ones reporting on critical information, it makes sense to use them (though I'd add qualifiers for the inherent bias) and doing so does not make someone "MAGA". The tribalism and gatekeeping, however, goes both ways, as many of the people here who take the greatest offense at being called "MAGA" are also quick to accuse a person of supporting Big Pharma, authoritarianism, etc. if that person expresses the slightest challenge to anything they said.

Little-noted blast from the past: the mostly Republican-affiliated American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a shadowy corporate lobby group with immense influence in state legislatures around the country, was a pivotal force in pushing mandatory vaccines circa 2015: https://www.naturalblaze.com/2015/07/alec-behind-recent-push-for-mandatory.html Yes, those considering themselves leftists who supported this legislation are dupes, but so are figures on the right who continue to support this apparatus and its servants in politics. It is a major problem that to most people familiar with the idea of a deep state, the term mainly evokes "liberal" entities like the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Trilateral Commission, Bill Gates, etc. but not conservative entities like ALEC, the Council for National Policy (CNP), Robert Mercer, etc.

I couldn't agree more with this. This has nothing to do with left vs. right. That's just to divide us and to get us to blame our poor neighbors for all this. It's regular people who just want to get through all this in one piece vs. a corporate authoritarian establishment on both the right and left that is using COVID-19 to ram a nightmare dystopia world of total biosecurity and digital currency awareness down all of our throats.

[stickdog99]

JFC, Iamwhomiam, do you seriously self-identify as Team Blue? Does anyone here reading this?

And if you want to demean me by calling me a socialist libertarian, that's fine. But as for your blatantly false accusations of incivility, fuck you!

[BenDhyan]

Needs to be watched through, the question then arises, has Russell Brand gone MAGA?