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His breathy, animalistic fascination with the red headed 13 year old, is REALLY creepy. And she reacts accordingly. Shrinking away from his kiss, trying to hide the look of horror on her face. Poor kid.

Biden has positioned himself as an advocate for sexual assault victims. In that advocacy position, he's a powerful symbol and his behavior sends strong messages to the audience he's addressing. Yet his violations of others' personal space and boundaries are not only outrageously disrespectful, they can be triggering for survivors. Standing and gripping a person from behind is a possessive and dominating stance. Some people use physical contact to exert their power, and imho, that is what he is doing in public. Critics have noted his inappropriate behavior for years but he ignores the implications and continues his tactile performances.What he does outside the public eye is up for grabs, but his willingness to be described as creepy doesn't bode well for someone actively taking the helm "to change our culture as it relates to sexual violence and rape" and espouse that "no one has the right to put a hand on a woman for any reason". There's a huge disconnect between his speech and his actions.Should the public really be ignoring this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSkJsa2f3gs







Edited to wonder, could the photos above with the little girl in red and the biker-types have been photo-shopped?

RocketMan » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:53 am wrote:

Burnt Hill » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:02 am wrote:Fair enough.
My point was small and only relevant to a few posts,
not to the original intent of the thread.
Also not worth defending considering how it was received.
Good Friday Evening to All!

After seeing this photo



or this



or this



do you really still honestly think such sophistry is necessary or called for...?

So you take my post where I essentially concede the point and accuse me of sophistry? Nice tactic!
All while you make some pretty significant assumptions based on photographs, great.

I know little of the conversations and behaviors before and after the photographs,
so I am not prepared to suggest the photos are showing anything more than boorish, potentially inappropriate behaviors.
If there is more evidence of Biden being a sexual predator or pedophile present it.
I feel assumptions made from static photographs are pretty weak.

Biden is in a position of power, granted, and that must be known by the groups he has audience with.
That he behaves as an alpha, grandfatherly man is not unexpected by me,- nor them?
I have no problem if you personally feel his behaviors are "creepy".
That these photos were posted in the "pedophile" thread is in part what I feel is unfair.

I believe that Biden, in his role as a vice-presidential alpha male,
has done more to help abuse victims than his stage appearances suggest.
There is plenty of evidence to support this view.
That his behaviors are inappropriate according to photographs is interpretive,
and based on anyone's life experience making that interpretation

.

Standing and gripping a person from behind is a possessive and dominating stance.
It is also a protective stance, and could be comforting to an individual that is out of their element.

I apologize for the sophistry jab, it was uncalled for.

However, are you really of the opinion that Biden's behaviour in said photographs is not at the very least a gross, unilateral violation of personal space..? I don't see any room for interpretation in the faces and body language of those he grabs and fondles.

I thought it was interesting when - semper occultus was it? - someone pointed out that Biden's behaviour is Jimmy Savile like. I don't think I have to remind anyone here that Savile enabled his abuse by fronting a variety of charity organizations. I'm not saying that Biden is anything close to Savile, just that it is possible to be in certain positions without personally living out the values they are supposed to represent.

Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. Biden's behaviour towards some of those kids can be seen as inappopriately sexual. Do I think Biden is for certain a pedophile? No. Do I think we need to consider the feelings of Joe Biden when considering on which threads to post what? Hell no. Why are you concerned with Joe Biden's image? BESIDES, Biden's grotesque behaviour towards women and girls has been noted in a variety of even mainstream outlets, in no uncertain terms.

Re-watched his self promoting and self serving performance. The words 'sound' good (though he use's some very unnecessary & inflammatory descriptions) but he's one prurient, scary, 'alpha male'. There's nothing protective or comforting about him. imo.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSkJsa2f3gs

Thanks RocketMan.

I cant interpret the photographs as anything more than static images without context.
That's just me.
I can understand others interpretations.

I am not prepared to compare Biden to Saville without more evidence,
and I really think that is an unfair comparison at this point.
I am not sure that Biden doesn't live the values he espouses,
in fact I think he does.
For what its worth, Biden has exhibited the same behaviors towards men, if that matters.

Also Biden lost his first wife, and his son.
Sometimes those kind of experiences cause a person to put more importance on experiencing human touch,
with no sexuality involved, and most psychologists would consider that a healthy response- to a point.
Does Biden go past that point? I am not prepared to pass that judgement.

Yeah, and I am not a Biden defender, I am just sorting out the behaviors.

I can see your point Burnt Hill after reading your explanations. I was about ready to consider him a pedophile too before I read your words.

It seems obvious these people are uncomfortable with Biden invading their personal space and he shouldn't do it. It looks suspicious to me and makes me wonder what his motives are but automatically declaring him a pedophile for it may be a little extreme. I have known other older men that do the same thing that were not pedophiles. He also invades the space of other men as Burnt Hill mentioned. Politicians are often called "baby kissers" because as they work a crowd of people they sometimes kiss people's babies on the forehead and this could be his version of baby kissing.

Considering the abusive culture he is a part of I can understand the tendency to indict him but being a touchy old man doesn't make him a pedophile.

[Edit: I have listened to other versions of the footage and this does appear to be what Biden is saying.]

^^^ Source? Did the girl herself state that he said this? I can't hear anything. The youtube channel of origin is:

Who Controls America? (with photographs) http://thezog.info/list-summaries/

Ah, yes. good old ZOG. Colour me impressed.

EDIT: No defender of Biden, and his behaviour is dead creepy. But this smells like bullshit.

Sigh. Here we go again. See ^^ edit.

guruilla » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:49 pm wrote:Sigh. Here we go again. See ^^ edit.

So you have better sources, but you posted this one?
You are on quite a roll of posting from spurious sources.
It devalues anything of significance that you may have posted, and brings into question your judgement.

Burnt Hill » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:08 pm wrote:

guruilla » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:49 pm wrote:Sigh. Here we go again. See ^^ edit.

So you have better sources, but you posted this one?
You are on quite a roll of posting from spurious sources.
It devalues anything of significance that you may have posted, and brings into question your judgement.

Indeed. If you have access to better sources then demonstrate. Represent. Don't assume anyone will trust your special knowledge.

Those guys are like a broken duet.

It's painful to have to state that the trustworthiness of any given source is 100% irrelevant if, as in this case, the evidence can be examined as separate from the source. All anyone has to do is listen to the soundtrack on the video and, if they suspect it has been doctored, compare to another version of the footage. Choosing to attack the source, and then the poster for referring to the source, rather than simply addressing the material is a way to redirect attention away from the material, but that's all it is. It's like throwing out a ten-dollar bill because it was found in a whorehouse.