What you don't know can't hurt them.
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^^^Heaven Swan » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:25 pm wrote:Please don’t think that this comedian’s rant is directed at you (anyone here). I’m posting this as an amusing way to illustrate a problem we may have. If we understand the problem perhaps we can find a solution.
Being a Social Justice Warrior - Ultra Spiritual Life episode 88
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Who are the PTB you're referring to here? Which organizations/people/companies etc.? What is their goal? Why is it necessary to weaken nation states?Sounder » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:30 pm wrote:My opinion is that the PTB encourage migration as part of the 'weaken the nations plan'. Unfortunately for them, the institutional structures they favor may fall instead. The hated article is about how the EU falls apart.
You're making assumptions with no basis in reality. Who are the hostile outside forces that needs defending from?The response here seems to reflect a bias against nation states. Are they inherently 'racist' entities that must be abolished at any cost? Or do they still have a legitimate role to play as a necessary factor for defense from hostile outside forces?
I don't doubt that for a second, but you're the one who keeps posting alt-right talking points. All I'm asking is that you be a little more critical of your sources. If you're unfamiliar with someone then google them before posting so you know where they're coming from and what biases/agendas they have.If we say yes to the first question, then who is responsible for the suffering created as the systems fail?
The Alt-right attachment to my persona here is silly. I am a human being who is greatly disturbed by the suffering of others. Displacement is painful.
You're making the false assumption that your critics here are against nation states, so your MMT challenge is moot.
And what about point three, and the need for national sovereignty for MMT to work?
Go ahead, get your head out your ass and educate us Jack.
No. Sounder posted the racist rightwing article because he agrees with it, and has been defending it for pages.peartreed » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:08 pm wrote:
Sounder shared with us the views of a likely right wing author for discussion and analysis, only to be ridiculed and insulted personally for being mistaken as supporting all those views himself and for allegedly supporting the political context of the medium they were published in. Both were erroneous assumptions that soon led to his personal insult, denigration, dismissal. bullying and intimidation. His responses evidence his surprise, offense and indignant reaction to the personalized attacks in replies.
That's not the point. Plenty of people have concerns about immigration without resorting to racist dog-whistles like the author of the article you posted. Of course there will be issues when different cultures meet, especially when people have been bombed to shit and traumatized before arriving. That doesn't mean we should wall off every country, Trump style. When people need help you help them, even when it comes at a cost, because it's the right thing to do.At any rate, to have concerns in regard to immigration does not make one a racist.
Yes, so the question remains, what must one do to actually help?When people need help you help them, even when it comes at a cost, because it's the right thing to do.
LIBREVILLE, Gabon – Wildlife guards funded by the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) and other conservation groups have carried out systematic abuses against tribes in central Africa, an activist group claimed on Monday.
Survival International, a British rights group, published a report containing more than 200 reported incidents against the Baka and Bayaka Pygmies in Cameroon, the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Central African Republic since 1989.
It claimed some of the world's largest conservation organisations, including the WWF and the Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS), illegally evicted the tribes from their ancestral homelands "in the name of conservation".
In response, WWF said it did not employ eco-guards and described the reported abuse as "totally unacceptable".
Survival International said the creation of new national parks leave the tribes open to accusations of poaching when they hunt to feed their families.
"Together with their neighbours, they face harassment and beatings, torture and death. The anti-poaching squads that commit these atrocities are funded and equipped by the same conservation organisations," the report said.
Survival said the "harrowing accounts" it had gathered represented only a small fraction of the real number of such cases as the vast majority go undocumented.
"All these abuses should have been investigated swiftly and fairly, but almost always go unpunished, and are frequently denied."
Wildlife charities fund abuses of pygmies in #Congo Basin - report @Survival | @mjponsford reports pic.twitter.com/boT2ONpPxr
— TR_Foundation News (@AlertNet) September 25, 2017
WWF said it does not employ eco-guards, but does fund equipment and uniforms as part of its conservation work.
"We are shocked and saddened to hear of the violence and abuse of indigenous people. It is totally unacceptable," it said in a statement.
WWF said it has repeatedly asked Survival International to share information about the incidents so it can urge the authorities to act. The Baka and Bayaka Pygmies are a hunter-gatherer people who have lived in the tropical forests of the Congo River basin for generations.
The report said in one incident wildlife rangers arrived at a Baka village in WWF-marked cars and beat villagers who were forced to flee. A young girl and an elderly man later died of their injuries.
Survival said "green colonialism" is not just destroying lives but also harming conservation.
"Scapegoating tribal people diverts action away from tackling the real causes of environmental destruction in the Congo Basin: logging and corruption," it said
https://www.enca.com/africa/pygmies-ill ... nservation
Do what we can to make them feel welcome. Teach them the language and the cultural dos and don'ts of their host country. Get their kids into school asap, help the adults find jobs. Basically - help them integrate so they feel a part of the society they live in.Sounder » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:55 am wrote:Yes, so the question remains, what must one do to actually help?When people need help you help them, even when it comes at a cost, because it's the right thing to do.
Yeah, no. It's not the left's fault that some people can't handle the idea of a foreign neighbor, and I sincerely doubt that eco-guards displacing indigenous peoples is even on the radar of those ranting about migration pacts. Migration happens. The UN migration pact, supported by virtually every country on the planet, is simply a non-binding set of common rules for how to handle it. I don't see what all the fuzz is about. Sounds like Agenda 21 redux.Dr. Evil, I appreciated the opinion you expressed upthread. I fear just as much as you do, the potential turn to the 'right' of protest movements. However the left shares responsibility if they remain tone deaf to the needs and concerns of wide segments of the citizenry. Establishment 'progressive thinking' strikes many as being quite hypocritical considering current adoption of migration pacts are coupled with eco-guards displacing indigenous people in direct contradiction of UN by-laws.
Fuck if I know. Not that this is even relevant to this thread, but they should do everything they can, but the UN isn't omniscient. Sometimes bad shit happens. If possible, find the perpetrators and drag them through the courts.Both Brazil and Colombian govts. are currently targeting indigenous folk. The UN is tasked with stopping human rights violations. What do they, or anybody else do to stop these crimes against humanity?
You should also look up 'whataboutism'.https://www.enca.com/africa/pygmies-ill ... nservation
Pygmies illegally evicted from ancestral land for 'conservation': activists
Tuesday 26 September 2017
LIBREVILLE, Gabon – Wildlife guards funded by the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) and other conservation groups have carried out systematic abuses against tribes in central Africa, an activist group claimed on Monday.
Survival International, a British rights group, published a report containing more than 200 reported incidents against the Baka and Bayaka Pygmies in Cameroon, the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Central African Republic since 1989.
It claimed some of the world's largest conservation organisations, including the WWF and the Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS), illegally evicted the tribes from their ancestral homelands "in the name of conservation".
In response, WWF said it did not employ eco-guards and described the reported abuse as "totally unacceptable".
Survival International said the creation of new national parks leave the tribes open to accusations of poaching when they hunt to feed their families.
"Together with their neighbours, they face harassment and beatings, torture and death. The anti-poaching squads that commit these atrocities are funded and equipped by the same conservation organisations," the report said.
Survival said the "harrowing accounts" it had gathered represented only a small fraction of the real number of such cases as the vast majority go undocumented.
"All these abuses should have been investigated swiftly and fairly, but almost always go unpunished, and are frequently denied."
Wildlife charities fund abuses of pygmies in #Congo Basin - report @Survival | @mjponsford reports pic.twitter.com/boT2ONpPxr
— TR_Foundation News (@AlertNet) September 25, 2017
WWF said it does not employ eco-guards, but does fund equipment and uniforms as part of its conservation work.
"We are shocked and saddened to hear of the violence and abuse of indigenous people. It is totally unacceptable," it said in a statement.
WWF said it has repeatedly asked Survival International to share information about the incidents so it can urge the authorities to act. The Baka and Bayaka Pygmies are a hunter-gatherer people who have lived in the tropical forests of the Congo River basin for generations.
The report said in one incident wildlife rangers arrived at a Baka village in WWF-marked cars and beat villagers who were forced to flee. A young girl and an elderly man later died of their injuries.
Survival said "green colonialism" is not just destroying lives but also harming conservation.
"Scapegoating tribal people diverts action away from tackling the real causes of environmental destruction in the Congo Basin: logging and corruption," it said
https://www.enca.com/africa/pygmies-ill ... nservation
