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Hugh Manatee Wins · Post by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:43 pm

As stated, I agree. Faster than "I" personally. But that isn't the ultimate determinant of achieving peace and justice. Fascist control of the media - telecommunications, publishing, print, radio, TV, movies. Yup. Fascist control of infrastructure and institutions - transportation, police, military, executive/legislative/judicial branches of government. Yup. That's a lot. Grassroots spread of truth is thus much slower than fascism's lies. And there's always the desperate last resort to just shoot JFK, RFK, MLK, or character assassinate personality threats. But inhumane self-destructive government sabotages itself in the long run. Blind trust in authority is evolving out of us. Dots are growing and become connected to the innate biological humanity with which we are hard-wired. The human family is finding itself all in the same global warming boat, for instance. And getting war fatigue. And that IS happening in our lifetimes. Humanity wins. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/30/06 11:48 am

sunny · Post by **sunny** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:44 pm

Agree and disagree: I believe we can not only see their deeds, but the horrific results thereof. Their exact identities? not so much. We see the front men, but only the vague shadows of the men behind them. I continue to believe, however, that truth and justice will out.

Col Quisp · Post by **Col Quisp** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:46 pm

You gotta be optimistic

FourthBase · Post by **FourthBase** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:53 pm

“The ability of the extremely wealthpowerful to conceal the truth about their identities and deeds is always going to exceed your ability to expose the truth about their identities and deeds.” We have a limitless reservoir of ingenuity and capacity for change/action. In 1000 scenarios, yes the elite will win 995 times. But there are, say, 5 scenarios where we win. We have to be smarter, and bolder. Our driving force must be goodness.

Seamus OBlimey · Post by **Seamus OBlimey** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:00 pm

I agree. As long as you use "your ability to expose the truth" Change that to "our ability to expose the truth" and I'll strongly disagree.

Hugh Manatee Wins · Post by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:02 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>We have to be smarter, and bolder.<hr></blockquote> Right on. Once upon an evolutionary time, the human who survived was the one who understood the tiger better than the tiger understood him. Now the tiger is the fascist military-intelligence-media complex. While it will never be the case that the entire herd is as cleverly aware and evolved as the human tigers preying on us, as more of us wise up to their wiley ways and educate our neighbors the tigers are going to have to 'adjust their diet.' So the goal is to help your neighbor evolve and catch up with the fascists who know more about how we operate than we know about how they operate. And the tigers are planning ways to keep us divided so RigorousIntuition readers don't interact with Fox TV consumers. Find ways to cross the divide anyway. Because our survival depends on getting those Fox TV Republicans to evolve.

4911 · Post by **4911** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:10 pm

Isnt it a logical, sensible and absolute conclusion that evil will eventually eat itself?

Seamus OBlimey · Post by **Seamus OBlimey** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:24 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Isnt it a logical, sensible and absolute conclusion that evil will eventually eat itself?<hr></blockquote> Only when there's no good left.

Sepka · Post by **Sepka** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:58 pm

It's extremely difficult to agree with any statement which contains a qualifier such as 'always'. In general, it's probably a true observation, though. -Sepka the Space Weasel

4911 · Post by **4911** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:11 pm

"Only when there's no good left." not necessarily - good just needs to stay out of the way long enough. The correct way to beat violence is not to engage in it. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 10/30/06 1:12 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins · Post by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:13 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The only way to beat violence is not to engage in it.<hr></blockquote> It takes more than that as Germany's Jews found out. It also takes convincing others not to take up arms against you in the first place. That's infowar, strategic persuasion, education, etc. all leading to social evolution.

4911 · Post by **4911** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:20 pm

Hmm Hugh, I see what youre saying...but Im coming from this place: <a href="http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/paloma/Aikido/artpeace.html">www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/pa...peace.html</a> Some people who subscribe to this philosophy would get out of the way beforehand. They would hunker down, let the big militant robots bash eachothers heads in , then come back out and make the world a sane place. Im not saying there wont be collateral damage. Im saying when all is said and done and the dust settles, these kind of people are going to be whats left. Peaceful people. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 10/30/06 1:30 pm

dugoboy · Post by **dugoboy** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:26 pm

mutual exploitation, its what they are good at. in the present moment i would agree..but in the end, years and years from now, i would disagree. all tyranny's will fall..thats the good news but what do we do when the tyranny runs masses of people lives their whole lives? they're ultimate goal is full spectrum domination. but i also think we shouldnt delude ourselves that there is only good and only evil. there is an infinity of shades in between and thats why i know we will be OK eventually. they can't suppress everything all the time with so many people..which is why they want to depopulate the planet. the question i ask myself everyday is...when do we begin to end this savage cycle? will we do it now? stop it non-volently? and the reason why we as a society can't say we'll do it now is because most people havn't been convinced that the tigers even exist! and that is the only reason we sit so parilously now. most are educated from birth to not even recognize there is a system of control run by a predator class around them and so why would they fight if they don't even know the predicament they are in? there is an answer but i can't seem to grasp it or want admit what it is...does anyone? i think the answer is that their ultimate goal is depopulation to like 200,000 people. ___________________________________________ "Fascism finds root best in unreality, dysfunction and irresponsibility." - Me "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell "When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma GandhiEdited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.geocities.com/orcthrasher/files/images/Qn38113.gif" BORDER=0> at: 10/30/06 1:28 pm

MASONIC PLOT · Post by **MASONIC PLOT** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:36 pm

As long as they can continue to get all the sheeple to believe there are two parties with different interests and that one party will always be the savior from the other's misdeeds then yes, we will never know the truth. When people come to realize that both parties are the same and that a system that offers you a choice every election between criminal thug A and criminal scumbag B is ineffecive and a sham then perhaps we can move on and try to find a solution, but so far, this election, the people are still buying the party line and foolishly believing that the democrats are going to save us from those evil neo cons. In fact, they will do no such thing, they will continue the same course towards a police state, north american union and eventual global fourth reich. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=masonicplot>MASONIC PLOT</A> at: 10/30/06 1:47 pm

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