Trance Formation of America, and other sick stuff

by **cortez** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:07 am

This is the part of the story where things are going to be difficult to put the puzzle together, when it gets into the he said she said etc. I don't really like scrutinizing things in this way as it tends to tar-baby up anyone or any thing involved. So I will try and present both of their versions of events. here's a couple of quotes from Yet More on Sir Mark Phillips <a href="http://educate-yourself.org/lte/sirmarkphillips26dec03.shtml">educate-yourself.org/lte/...ec03.shtml</a> ...The issue of Mark's credibility is complicated. I haven't criticized Mark for what he wrote in the book with Cathy O'Brien. You've missed the point completely. Mark Phillips has been publicly debunking Brice Taylor and Ted Gunderson for over 4 years now and Mark Phillips has been telling high profile victims of mind control-like Brice Taylor- that she's DELUSIONAL. He's told this straight to her face- that it's ALL IN HER HEAD. He told her that she's just IMAGINED that her abuse occurred to her... Here are a few paragraphs from that article:  'Brice lived for a time with Mark and Cathy, supporting all of them, and eventually she was able to publish her book, Thanks For The Memories-The Truth Has Set Me Free, published in 1999, by Brice Taylor Trust, P.O. Box 655, Landrum, South Carolina 29356. Here are some very telling excerpts from her book: [Quoting from pages 268 and 269] "A breakthrough occurred. Ted Gunderson called to inform me that he had just heard from another woman [Cathy O'Brien] who lived across the nation, who had also sent him her memory work about being used as a sex slave to Ronald Reagan. Although it was a terrifying time for me, it also was an amazing time of discovery for all of us. Mark Phillips, her so-called therapist and deprogrammer, flew across the nation and told me that "Jimmy Carter's people" had called him in an attempt to stop him from meeting with me. I flew Mark and Cathy O'Brien to California to meet with me for the first time and I put on a seminar where they were the featured speakers. Mark Phillips knew all about my programming. Looking back on it now, he seemed to know way too much. He asked me if I had "a twin sister who was two inches shorter than me." This was a very powerful key and code into the programming of my "inner twin sister," Sharon, and this seemingly simple statement controlled my body in a very intimate way from the outside, showing me while in normal consciousness that I was indeed a robot, and not in control of my own body. Shortly after Mark and Cathy's arrival and seminar, a series of events occurred including an accident and ensuing hospitalization of the person that was living with me as my safe person. Mark Phillips explained that I was not safe in California and once again I ended up running. I paid to fly Mark, Cathy and I back to his mother's home in Charlotte, Tennessee where we began my process of what we then called "deprogramming." Several weeks later, with nearly 10 years of recovery behind me, this so-called "retired?!" C.I.A. operative made dramatic changes in his living arrangements just to "help me deprogram." After relocating across the country to a home in Arab, Alabama, where I paid all domestic expenses for the three of us, a large sum of money for traveling expenses for both he, his girlfriend Cathy, and myself, and a large 'consulting fee,' this renegade C.I.A. operative read my lengthy journal entries daily for a year and a half and agreed that in his own words, "the memory work contains absolute elements of fact laced with verifiable details." But one and one-half years, forty-two journals, and $50,000+ traveling and living expenses later, Mark Phillips informed me that nothing had ever happened to me & nothing what-so-ever! Cathy O'Brien said, "Well, you should be happy that nothing happened and that your children have not been abused!" I couldn't believe she was saying that, after all the common details of our histories we had shared. I was devastated and went to bed and could not eat for three days and remained non-communicative and totally subdued for nearly a month afterwards. After all this time of intensely focused attention on my history, Mark informed me that I had never even been abused, and that I just had a big imagination. But, he seemed to appreciate that I was around to cover all of his expenses. I suspect that Mark is some kind of "containment agent" who is being directed through his "handlers" whose motivations ultimately serve the New World Order. Through his containment expertise, the information I have conveyed to you in this book you are now reading was delayed in reaching you by nearly seven years & I have uncovered a string of lies he told others in an attempt to discredit me. I also reconnected with another Kissinger survivor that Mark Phillips had worked with for a time. Mark Phillips told her the same thing he told me-'THIS NEVER HAPPENED TO YOU!" & I left that home where I had paid all expenses & and went to live in Carbondale, Illinois. " [End quoting] ------------------ so there are more letters on the site. I will post a few pages from Access Denied very soon, with of course a differing view of events

by **cortez** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:21 am

Here's what they had to say on Gunderson in the book -- From 'Access Denied' pg 131/32 ...The CIA had already infiltrated the Franklin case, leaving little hope that victims Paul Bonacci or Alisha Owen would have a chance to heal and recover from their ordeal. The parallels between the Franklin Case and Kelly's extended far beyond Alex Houston, yet we could not align with the Nebraska Leadership Conference due to the extent which they were being pulled down by the very ones they sought to expose. Their evidence against George bush, Sr. was overwhelming, as was ours. Yet convergence of the information could have placed Kelly in the same precarious position that the Nebraska victims were struggling to survive... ..."The Nebraska Leadership Conference is one more example of how well intentioned organizations become infiltrated," Mark commented. "Why are they aligned with Ted Gunderson?" I asked. Ted was a well-known and liked former FBI agent who was Resident Agent in Charge of the Southeastern Division in Memphis during the years that I was abused. He claimed he had not been aware of the blatant and rampant investigations into the McMartin Preschool child abuse scandal resulted in one of the worst nightmares in California history. Ted retired in 1979 as Senior Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in Los Angeles California, and his friendship with LA police Chief Darryl Gates blazed through the infamous LA riots. "I don't know thy they associate with Gunderson," Mark answered. "I always say 'I know who to trust because I know how to trust 'because of people like him. Ted is such a likeable person, yet we know better to align ourselves with him. He's like the kiss of death." "He reminds me of Leslie Neilson's character in 'Naked Gun' where everyone around him dies while he obliviously smiles his way through," I mused. Mark laughed. "Your not the first person to make that comparison. Ted even looks like that Neilson character since they are both of Norwegian decent." "why are people judged by their projection rather that by their actions?" I wondered. "The old adage 'never judge a book by its cover' certainly should be applied. People in the public eye like Ernest Ray and other entertainers I know; or Jim Traficant, and most politicians I know, can project anything and folks buy into it. Why? Can't they see?" "In the case of the Nebraska Leadership Conference," Mark thoughtfully replied,"desperation and ignorance seems to have blinded them to reality. You know yourself that fear is blinding. It takes logic and a rigid formula to survive CIA containment." ...."That reminds me," I thought aloud. "Civia and Ted Gunderson are friends. They knew each other through the McMartin scandal. Civia, as a reporter, covered the story while Ted, as an investigator, tried to uncover it. 'Small world' as my abusers would say. It is a bizarre coincidence!" "There is no such thing as a coincidence if a Fed and a journalist are involved," Mark advised. "When the same people keep popping up over and over again, there is a reason for it. Signs like this should never be ignored." "It does help identify who is part of containment and 'cover-ops'." Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=cortez@rigorousintuition>cortez</A> at: 9/26/05 2:23 am

by **jenz** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:51 am

I am familiar with the allegations against HK as detailed by DrDe but from much the same sources - ie not from direct contact with 'survivor' whose story I would feel that I could personally vouch for. The difficulty for all of us in evaluating allegations is that we so rarely get a chance to consider the evidence. When someone tells you directly their story, and you see the expressions, gestures and emotions that are hidden by the written word , and perhaps you have chance to check out a few facts for yourself, its a different kind of evidence. I don't want this to be interpreted as my saying that I don't believe allegations against any famous person a survivor mentions. Generally there is an assumption that survivors are fantasists, and that their mentioning someone well known 'proves' this - as if no-one so elevated could possibly be involved in anything so dismal and dirty as ra/paedophilia. Actually, I do believe that organised abuse is a functioning system or toolbox for criminal political control, and my beliefs arrive from information directly acquired, and from using this to elucidate the odd facts and occurrences which this site often discusses. I didn't always have access to this kind of info, and before I did I should probably have thought it impossible for any halfway normal person to be involved in deliberately and systematically hurting children, never mind 'our leaders'. But sw's post contained other info, perhaps this will not sound world shatteringly important, but I'd like to hear if others find it significant. Since finding RI, there have been 3 occasions when survivors or carers have spoken of things in the context of triggers for flashbacks which correlate with 'events' in the past of ra survivors known to me. Yet these persons are continents apart. The first time, it did not strike me as at all surprising - biao's post on the Crowley connection and menstrual blood. Common enough source for satanic ra ers. But the doll, with the dna is a different matter. A soft bodied doll with hard plastic face, feet, hands, features in a significant way in a memory for one of the uk survivors I know. It was found in a situation where it must have been connected with the abuse of a child, the perps tried to prevent its being found and tried to get it back, it was stained, and I had hoped at one time the police would dna it. Previously, (sleeping with the enemy) sw mentioned a recall 'session' just prior to dental appt. and the difficulty of going to the dentist. 3 survivors I know have this dentist problem, 2 of them know why. They were not in contact with each other during their childhoods, one is older than the other by about 10 years, they lived in separate places. They each had the same torture session designed to put dentist fear in, one recalls being told that they would give her bad teeth. Even amongst the believers in the therapeutic community there are those who dismiss any suggestion that abuse is part of a world wide system, or that high ups are involved. How objectively does one assess the occurrence of similar, and at times exactly identical forms of abuse being reported by survivors who have never met and don't publish?

by **cortez** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:58 am

Mark, Cathy, and Sue Ford (Brice Taylor). Are discussing False Memories and False Memory foundation with a group of therapists who had been helping their patients on the matter Sue Ford being one of them. -- pg 264 "Has Mark determined if your a Project Monarch mind control victim?" someone asked Sue. "That's a leading question, " Mark cautioned "anyone who is highly suggestible gravitates to such leading questions, which could result in false memory."... pg 267 ..."What if they ask us the questions?" one woman wanted to know. "I'll use Sue as an example, if that's OK with you." Sue nodded. "She asked us what we knew about Project Monarch." "Turn the question back around. Ask her what she knows and how she learned it," Mark replied. Mark turned to Sue. "How did you learn about it?" "My therapist has documents..." she began. "Wait." Mark put up his hand to stop her, and turned back to the group "Her therapist is obviously making a mistake right there sharing other people's information and documents with her. If it is not information form the inside, 'forget about it'," he advised, exemplifying with literal terms. "Then after you deal with your client, research it for yourself. If you know the therapist, phone him for copies of the documents and tip him to his error. All you therapists need to unite and reeducate each other. The False Memory Foundation is capitalizing on therapeutic error to discount all survivors' testimony and cover up the CIA pedophilic crime."....

by **cortez** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:22 am

Chapter 36 Thanks for the False Memories "I need a fresh start," Sue was telling Mark. "Wit ht the money I was awarded in my divorce, I can afford to relocate. I want to be where you are, write out my memories, and heal. Rod is travelling back to the states to finish his book, and he can meet me in Tennessee just as easy as he can come here. I'll help pay living expenses up to $500 a month, which is a fraction of my cost to live in this apartment. You could move out of your mother's house and we'll share an apartment." "Cathy and I are going to take a walk," Mark told her." I'll give you an answer when we get back." We walked for hours. The pros and cons of Sue's proposal were complex. "we could move to Alabama," I began. "For God's sake we'd have to live with her," Mark countered. Neither of us liked that idea. We kept walking and thinking. "She could heal and stop being a professional 'victim' or 'survivor'," I said. "Through your wisdom, she could learn like I did that blaming others and dwelling on the past is a cop out to living. Maybe she would even become an asset to society." "Sue is who she is, multiple or not," Mark said. "Reintegrated, she will still be Sue only more focused." "Since her memory is contaminated, do you believe she can still reintegrate?" I asked. "That's a pertinent question," Mark answered. I was talking with Dr. Colin Ross of the ISS&D, and he was saying the best way to counter the False Memory Foundation is to infiltrate them and heal them from the inside out, so-to-speak. In the process of our conversation, I told him about Sue and raised the question, 'which is worse, a victim of bad therapy, or both?" He seem to believe that is irrelevant with the application of proper healing techniques." "You could prove that theory by encouraging her to heal by writing out her memory." "She claims she has been writing out her memories for years," Mark informed me. "The journals she presented to me to review were comprised of lines from movies , books, and a half dozen old conspiracy stories that have circulated around therapists offices. She would need to accurately write out memory from within without outside input. You two wouldn't be able to discuss your victimization's." "She shouldn't vocalize while she's writing anyway," I reminded him. "I wont have a problem not talking with her." I smiled. "I hear you," Mark said. 'that's what concerns me. What price would we pay to live with her and help her heal ? And heal from what? Linguistically her subconscious language indicates she is role playing a mind control victim to draw attention to a dissociative disorder. She either is deliberately perpetrating fraud or is indeed a victim of false memories from her therapists.". "If we goto DC to testify before Congress like we are supposed to in August," ......While I gave Mark a break and drove while, he looked over Sue's recent journaling. "This reads like a fantasy story," Mark told her. "Your looking at content," Sue accused. pg 269 "No," Mark countered, "I'm referring to how you've written this. What you write out is for your benefit only. It is not written to be read by others. Actual deprogramming looks more like..." Mark looked around for one of my ever present notebooks. Turning to me he asked, "May I show Sue what deprogramming looks like?" Mark retrieved it and randomly opened it "See how disjointed this is?" Mark asked her, pointing to the side notes, varied handwriting from different persona's, incomplete thoughts, and notes of intrusive memory flashes. "It is not written for anyone to read, but rather to pull down compartmentalized barriers in the brain. By writing out memory this way, you'll regain access to all your mind at once." "I never fill in the blanks with what 'might' have happened in order for it to read smoothly," I elaborated. "eventually, the picture comes together much the way a jigsaw puzzle does. By asking myself questions like 'how did I get there' and 'where did I go afterwards', I gain more pieces and eventually the memory is complete. It is important to write out one memory compartment, or one persona's memory, and then expand the insight." ---------- I'll write more later (I'm tired), they eventually go on to state that Sue Ford was able to reintegrate (fuse) she had been the victim of incest. Her friend Rod had actually written the book/manuscript Thanks for the Memories as fiction (The Original title was Starshine) which Sue later took possession of, gave herself the alias of Brice Taylor and sold it as fact. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=cortez@rigorousintuition>cortez</A> at: 9/26/05 3:24 am

by sw » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:17 am

by **jenz** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:01 pm

sw. sometimes you just have to be patient with yourself. if its best you should know, then the memory will come forward, and if its best it doesn't intrude at this time, then probably it won't. either way, it changes nothing really, because here and now, you are demonstrating the feebleness of the mc system, just by being you. I like to imagine the 3 dentist phobia survivors grinning through healthy white gnashers at the feeble wraiths of old men who hurt them long ago. (they've all got the teeth done btw)

by **Dreams End** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:13 pm

Is it possible that much of Franklin didn't actually happen? That is, is it possible that these kids were used as prostitutes by King and some other locals, DeCamp found out about it and pushed them to embellish the story? I actually DON'T think this but we need to figure out what evidence there is beyond Decamp...who bragged of friendship with CIA and collaborated with Larouchie Chaitkin. The suspicious plane crash of the guy investigating the story (sorry, blanking on his name) was one piece that led me to believe there was smoke coming from a real fire, and not just from Decamp/Gunderson. The acknowledgment of the Monseigneur in charge of Boystown, another. But that doesn't prove how FAR it went, just that there was abuse. Then we have the callboy scandal...that surely did happen. Interestingly, the entire story was broken by the Washington Times, a Moonie-owned paper and usually a very pro-Republican mouthpiece. But the scandal did happen. Does that necessarily mean that Bonnaci WAS one of those boys? Bonnaci also claims to have helped kidnap Gosch..this struck me as quite a coincidence, though I THINK (not sure) Noreen Gosch heard enough corroborating stuff from Bonnaci to believe it. I'm afraid that one tactic of the intel folks in this kind of stuff is to infiltrate the investigation, tack on unlikely details, and discredit the whole thing. I feel PRETTY sure that's happening in the Franklin case, but I'm not at ALL sure how much is disinfo and how much really happened. And I can't think why disinfo would incriminate Bush, since surely he'd be behind all these tricks if that's what they were. It's all very confusing...intentionally so, and I know the young people at the center of things certainly suffered.

by **Project Willow** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:36 pm

There's your end game Dream's End. Whether by design or accident you have a morass of conflicting claims and counter-claims until everyone has dirt on their clothes of one hue or another, and sometimes two or three, and no one can ever get down to the clean truth. There already is so little in the public realm when it comes to trauma-based mind control, it doesn't take a whole lot to muddy the waters. The thing I find interesting, and I believe I've said this before, Mark and Cathy get a whole lot of attention while other less questionable authors remain conveniently out of sight. I would like to see some folks here read and start a discussion on Rutz's, or McKenna's, or Sullivans' books, if only to shine a bit of light where it's truly needed.

by **cortez** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:11 am

Dreams End, What I found to be most disturbing was the similarity of the Franklin case, and the Dutroux fiasco (initially) then upon reading more, and researching the much not talked about global slave trade I started to connect the dots. I could see our collective denial had let this go on, and for some reason now it seems many of us are strong enough to see and face it, if only now with words. It is a starting point though and a big one. I think the snowball is just starting to rev up, after Gannon and all, many people have read of the Franklin Cover-up and after dealing with the initial shock which takes a few months to get your head back on straight(er). I wanted to re examine Cathy O'Briens story, as it seems as incredible at first to add up. I found the video's were a big part in my acceptance of such claims. RI is correct about 'Trance Formation of America' was it well written, sadly no. Is there truth in it? That's up for debate. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=cortez@rigorousintuition>cortez</A> at: 9/30/05 2:28 am

by **cortez** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:37 am

jenz and sw, Are the dolls used as a trigger? Or were they objects at a crime scene?

by sw » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:09 am

by sw » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:40 am

by **jenz** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:24 pm

don't know. initial thought was crime scene, and had supposed it had been incidental to events until I read sw's 'dream'. I am feeling for the explanations to the apparent links which occur between recollections from ra survivors . One survivor had been shown a diagram on a screen of the organisation, but have no idea how this fits in on a world wide scale, if at all. had not thought of ritual significance of the doll or possibility of something inside, merely supposed it to have been used as a lure, now am rethinking this.

by **ZeroHaven** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:03 pm

I finally got around to reading this thread.. Thank you so much for sharing this stuff. This explains everything I went through with one of the people I lived with. He's mostly ok now, but that's after 3 years of lots and lots of work. None of it happened at the grove site, it was all in the VI, and mostly on boats and the politicians were south of american ones. Hell at first I thought the guy was making this shit up, but after a few nerve-wracking nightmares he couldn't be woken from I was convinced and started corrective work. Somebody had done such a good job that his switch between personalities was nearly indetectable unless you were paying super close attention. We concluded that he was let go after accumulating too many physical problems to be used anymore. Now comes back to me a previous thread about the name Sara. He never did figure out if she was real or just an imaginary companion through the ordeal. Damn, wish I'd heard of this stuff back then.. it would've made everything go faster and easier. Thanks again, I gotta go send someone some email. <img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/>

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