Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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:ohno:

Give more, Mac.

[Brentos]

Yeah, the "tinpot psychologizing" so soon after the event, and based on how little these people know about Paddock, or other suspects in the past, is also interesting. Rather similar to how the press always have the answer that it is 'ISIS', a very short time after. McGowan's research and others similar talk about the normalization/acceptance of such narratives. Which then become self generating memes which may influence others (copycats) to actually do them.

[Nordic]

It's no wonder stickdog so rarely posts here, and it's no wonder so many other good people have completely given up on this board.

As I said in the wildfire thread, the last time I was so fucking bored I decided to lurk here for a few minutes:

Anyone else find it kind of funny that on a board about conspiracies, one that actually got pretty well-known, there is now a permanently parked group of people ready to shoot down and mock anyone posting anything that might suggest a conspiracy?

Having not been here in a very long time, and seeing this place with fresh eyes, this kind of sticks out.

I will now be mocked and derided for suggesting there could be a conspiracy involved in a conspiracy forum.

[Iamwhomiam]

Fuck it! Nordic, why are you here? By all that is right and holy, you should have been banned long before Canadian_Watcher, you, with your astonishing record of suspensions.

I felt we always got along, at least until I finally called one of your postings out as "Bullshit. Twice in 10 fucking years I've criticized you and held my tongue for more often after reading your perspective. You have nothing at all to offer but criticism of other RI members, so fuck off.

[Nordic]

Fuck it! Nordic, why are you here? By all that is right and holy, you should have been banned long before Canadian_Watcher, you, with your astonishing record of suspensions.

I felt we always got along, at least until I finally called one of your postings out as "Bullshit. Twice in 10 fucking years I've criticized you and held my tongue for more often after reading your perspective. You have nothing at all to offer but criticism of other RI members, so fuck off.

Oh don't worry, I have fucked off. But very rarely I will come see what is going on here, like today, when I'm stuck at home with a sick family member and bored out of my mind.

It's funny to see that all the reasons so many people have left are still 100% in force. I honestly don't know why the 2 or 3 people trying to keep the spirit alive even bother.

They should fuck off, too. Maybe you should be telling them to fuck off instead of me.

Then you can have the place all to yourself. The way you want it.

[stefano]

Yes we assume he murdered a lot of people, but his motive for doing so is currently a mystery. Shooters like that usually have a history of mental illness and/or have alleged ties to terrorist organisations. Saying, well he avoided controlled areas when flying and he liked asian women, doesn't do much in the way of explaining that mystery away imo. And that's just one of the many mysteries in all of this. We'll never know anyway. Seems like showing dominance over the people and letting them know in their gut what's up by the mysteries while denying it on the surface with the official 'normal' narrative.

In reply to the bolded part. We certainly don't. Not all of us.

Saying, well he avoided controlled areas when flying and he liked asian women, doesn't do much in the way of explaining that mystery away imo.

Indeed. In fact, what you're saying is a massive understatement. We have been offered precisely nothing in the way of explanation. Just the kind of posthumous defamation, flat-out character-assassination, tinpot psychologizing, and slimily suggestive innuendo that always forms the inscription on any Designated Culprit's gravestone.

And the explanation you're offering is... what, again? The Deep State concocted an extremely elaborate mass murder to make Americans afraid of getting shot by random strangers? Ha.

Not that I'm married to the idea of Paddock being the only shooter, or even necessarily one of them, but to look at his extremely spooky/mobsterish background and decide that, because he had quite a bit of money, he would never had done that is intellectual contortionism.

[Heaven Swan]

This is not about shooting down conspiracies but about looking into and analyzing events with reasoning power, intuition, and intelligence gleaned from researching the subject matter over time and analyzing many previous suspicious events.

Every single mass shooting is not a deep state conspiracy and if that's what you think then you haven't done your homework.

Fact is, the posters here, along with my own research and rigorous intuition has not convinced me that the LV shooting is anything more than a sick deranged individual acting out his sickness in the most spectacular and horrific way he could imagine.

Let's take the Boston Marathon bombing. There you had two brothers with spook family up the wazoo, a clear motive for the deep state but no real evidence of motive for the alleged bombers, video evidence of MANY suspicious irregularities, etc, etc, etc...

But what have you got here? A periferial detail, that could be otherwise explained. E.g. Brian Hodge in his state of shock might have said the wrong room # in his interview, or Paddock, while garrisoning up for his rampage--blocking the floor exits, putting out surveillance cameras...could have also taken over the adjacent room.

And then you have (no video evidence) but verbal reports of multiple shooters given by stampeding people running for their lives between rounds of gunfire, panicked and confused. That's what you got.

This is nothing! Nada. And the more you insist, harp on minor details and make personal attacks the more I get whiffs of pizza.

And I have to say that during th\is whole fiasco of an 'internet investigation" I've also come to wonder about and doubt posters that previously had some credibility in my mind.

Stick, you've repeatedly refused to look at evidentiary material apparently just because came from posters or sources that weren't always in complete agreement with you. This is very troubling behavior for a lead investigator. You've also repeatedly stated that the main reason you've been so committed to clearing Stephen Paddock's name is because he's a male and you're tired of people immediately assuming males are guilty.

I'll stop here and let that last phrase sink in a bit. To me it's almost beyond belief that someone could reason like this...


* I am still glad you post here Stick, and have nothing against you personally. If we all agreed there would be no debate and what a boring, boring world it would be.

[stefano]

And I still can’t work out what was up with the other room with the broken window? You know, the one the Aussie was allegedly staying in at the time of the shooting.....

This little factoid has never been explained. How and when did Paddock gain access to this additional adjoining room? Why did he want or need access to this additional room? What was found in this additional adjoining room? Which window was broken first? When were the two windows broken and with what? What was Paddock's motivation to break a second window? Is there any evidence that he (or someone else) shot out of both windows?

[Speculation] He gave the hotel people money and they gave him a key, on the 25th. He wanted it to get a different angle, to shoot at the fuel tanks at McCarran. The small room window was broken first; the first pops you hear on the videos are him firing at the tanks. Then he broke the corner window and started shooting at the crowd. Hammer. Different angle. No real evidence that he ever fired from the small room window, plenty of evidence of shooting from the suite window.

[stefano]

Over a dozen ambulances staging at the Hooters...

Mandalay Bay Las Vegas Shooting Aftermath perspective from MGM Grand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JwEbBMt-Q

Thanks. Weird. Do you actually see people getting 'carried out of the Hooters' though? I skipped back and forth and didn't see that?



Those ambulances are like 500m from the concert venue in the opposite direction from the Mandalay Bay, like 10 minutes' walk

[stefano]

Online I've not found one photograph showing the room numbers and their relationship to Paddock's suite. But either that graphic is incorrect and the Aussie's telling tall tales about being in the room next door to Paddock's. It is possible the Aussie was in the room to the left of the room adjoining the suite and he then would be correct in claiming he was next door to Paddock's room, if in fact he was.

Yeah I suspect he was in 32133, that is he actually was next to Paddock's suite, but wrong about the number.

Interestingly if you go to the Mandalay Bay's website now and look at the suites, you can't click on the Vista Suite, which Paddock's was. It flips back to the menu. The 'little' (500 sqf) room next to it is a resort king, with a bathroom, which it seems can be let on its own unlike what I thought earlier.

[stefano]

There will be a strange memorial built at this location -- that is a given -- it will be saccharine and patriotic. I always wondered, really actually why that part of the strip never got developed. It's the only part of it that doesn't face jack shit. Wondered only for mundane reasons actually. Now I really wonder.

Yeah, an aspect of this event, which is hard to ignore, is the esoteric (even gnostic) angle, that many similar events have in common. I'm not totally convinced on any scenario with this story (including the mega-ritual one), but when there is meaningless slaughter of innocents, with a convenient scapegoat that is a definite red flag.

Yeah the pyramid and sphinx angle is... notable at least.

[Iamwhomiam]

Fuck it! Nordic, why are you here? By all that is right and holy, you should have been banned long before Canadian_Watcher, you, with your astonishing record of suspensions.

I felt we always got along, at least until I finally called one of your postings out as "Bullshit. Twice in 10 fucking years I've criticized you and held my tongue for more often after reading your perspective. You have nothing at all to offer but criticism of other RI members, so fuck off.

Oh don't worry, I have fucked off. But very rarely I will come see what is going on here, like today, when I'm stuck at home with a sick family member and bored out of my mind.

It's funny to see that all the reasons so many people have left are still 100% in force. I honestly don't know why the 2 or 3 people trying to keep the spirit alive even bother.

They should fuck off, too. Maybe you should be telling them to fuck off instead of me.

Then you can have the place all to yourself. The way you want it.

So, what were a few of "all the reasons so many people have left" and who are they who've left? Afraid to say?

I want this place all to myself? I'll be damned! You'd better run away quickly to tell Jeff all about my evil plan. I sure hope you tell him I miss him. It's not the same, you know usurping the world's most important and well read blog while its leader is in self-imposed exile. Besides, I already got a few of my own, [url]htttp//:iamwhomiam.blogspot.com[/url].

Ten years and still here; 2 suspensions, once on heresay and another induced by a Mac attack. I'm so sneaky! Please don't tell Jeff mine is a 15 year plan!!

Far too many people confuse their rubber-necking with actual investigation, most unfortunately. Coming across their outrageous claims, whether about their lost loved one, or some other's, can be painful to survivors searching for more information about what happened.

I suppose this means you still won't accept me as you FB friend?

[Brentos]

Sure, its possible that he got the room # wrong, this would explain the differences in the 2 narratives.... it just seems odd, that if he did, that he gave the wrong room # as the next room.

EDIT: I took another look at his TV interview, that was at least the day after, where he told his tale, where he gave his (incorrect?) room# to police, and they said that was the room that the shooter was in. At least the day after (during that interview), he still apparently believed that he was in room 32-134.


SWAT teams responding and scanner radio confirm that they knew someone was on that floor shooting, so yeah, Paddock or someone else was shooting from there, that seems certain to me.

[Iamwhomiam]

Online I've not found one photograph showing the room numbers and their relationship to Paddock's suite. But either that graphic is incorrect and the Aussie's telling tall tales about being in the room next door to Paddock's. It is possible the Aussie was in the room to the left of the room adjoining the suite and he then would be correct in claiming he was next door to Paddock's room, if in fact he was.

Yeah I suspect he was in 32133, that is he actually was next to Paddock's suite, but wrong about the number.

Interestingly if you go to the Mandalay Bay's website now and look at the suites, you can't click on the Vista Suite, which Paddock's was. It flips back to the menu. The 'little' (500 sqf) room next to it is a resort king, with a bathroom, which it seems can be let on its own unlike what I thought earlier.

I just got jammed up at Mandalay Bay's website trying to figure out how Mandalay Bay has 63 floors! Weird, but it seems they do. Odd, because Paddock's Suite appears to be only a few floors below the building's roof. Click on their Foundation Room. I think this video has not yet been posted here:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPUGvh9alLs

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I just got jammed up at Mandalay Bay's website trying to figure out how Mandalay Bay has 63 floors! Weird, but it seems they do. Odd, because Paddock's Suite appears to be only a few floors below the building's roof. Click on their Foundation Room.

I was hit with a malware immediately after visiting their website, and only their website. Just saying. So, if your browser slows way down and your ip traffic includes akamai and a number of internet marketing sites, you might need to clean out your config file--in firefox it's about:config. Took me about an hour.