What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[Joe Hillshoist]

I'm fine with chilling the hyperbole, but I think the topic of elite CP networks needs to be discussed whether or not CPP is a node in the network. I also think it needs to be discussed whether PG is a psy-op designed to shut down discussion of elite CP networks (my voat, at the moment).

As for cheese pizza, there are Urban Dictionary archives from quite awhile ago demonstrating indeed that "cheese pizza" means what is alleged. I'll see if I can dig up some substantiation of that assertion. (Here you go, enjoy your slice of pizza from 2010.)

I realize that just because someone somewhere on the internet is using "cheese pizza" to mean something horrible doesn't mean the Podestas are. Yes, I know that. But it's disingenuous for folks to claim that the alleged codeword is entirely made up from whole cloth.

Personally, I think there are more directly damning Podesta emails (re: collusion, corruption, racism, cynicism, etc.), if one is looking for political motivations. Podesta is a big red herring as far as CP goes. A creepy one, but a red herring nonetheless.

I reckon you'll find that much of the content on urban dictionary and ED and similar sites was put there by people from the Chans. That ref from 2010 doesn't mean much on its own. Who put it up, were they repeating something from 4chan and did all the people who recognised it all recognise it from that same site? I'm not just saying this to be a pain either. I think its a real possibility.

If you (or anyone else) could show references to "cheese pizza" as a codeword outside the context of the internet and that particular aspect of internet culture (chan, ED, UD meme generation and other associated stuff) then it would suddenly gain a lot more credibility. That would be proper, thorough investigation. if your co author were involved thats thje sort of thing I'd hope they'd insist on and in the same spirit it should make the end result better. (Ie more accurate and robust against criticism, cross examination or attack.)

[slomo]

I will agree with Guruilla on this point: the sudden hand-wringing about irresponsible conversations is very weird, especially on this forum.

Nobody on this forum has even come close to suggesting vigilante justice of any kind. The most extreme viewpoint (on the PG-is-real side) is espoused by somebody who has already stated that his main objective is a psychodynamic understanding of the phenomenon. This forum is an outgrowth of a blog whose central thesis (or one of them) is that elite CPP networks exist in conjunction with SRA. And yet, here we are, in the midst of a discussion of a possible exposure (and I will grant, once again, that all of the evidence is circumstantial and therefore highly prone to confirmation bias) and suddenly everybody be like "oh no, won't somebody think of the pizza parlors!?!?"

And, once again, I must state, I am absolutely 100% opposed to vigilante justice of any kind.

[slomo]

I'm fine with chilling the hyperbole, but I think the topic of elite CP networks needs to be discussed whether or not CPP is a node in the network. I also think it needs to be discussed whether PG is a psy-op designed to shut down discussion of elite CP networks (my voat, at the moment).

As for cheese pizza, there are Urban Dictionary archives from quite awhile ago demonstrating indeed that "cheese pizza" means what is alleged. I'll see if I can dig up some substantiation of that assertion. (Here you go, enjoy your slice of pizza from 2010.)

I realize that just because someone somewhere on the internet is using "cheese pizza" to mean something horrible doesn't mean the Podestas are. Yes, I know that. But it's disingenuous for folks to claim that the alleged codeword is entirely made up from whole cloth.

Personally, I think there are more directly damning Podesta emails (re: collusion, corruption, racism, cynicism, etc.), if one is looking for political motivations. Podesta is a big red herring as far as CP goes. A creepy one, but a red herring nonetheless.

I reckon you'll find that much of the content on urban dictionary and ED and similar sites was put there by people from the Chans. That ref from 2010 doesn't mean much on its own. Who put it up, were they repeating something from 4chan and did all the people who recognised it all recognise it from that same site? I'm not just saying this to be a pain either. I think its a real possibility.

If you (or anyone else) could show references to "cheese pizza" as a codeword outside the context of the internet and that particular aspect of internet culture (chan, ED, UD meme generation and other associated stuff) then it would suddenly gain a lot more credibility. That would be proper, thorough investigation. if your co author were involved thats thje sort of thing I'd hope they'd insist on and in the same spirit it should make the end result better. (Ie more accurate and robust against criticism, cross examination or attack.)

That's a fair enough point. But in order to independently verify the meaning of "cheese pizza" outside the chans, I'd most likely have to have access to the internal communications within actual CP networks. And I might remind you that such a discovery process is fraught with dangers for anybody not on the payroll of the FBI. Because such communications would inevitably entail archives that include actual CP, and it is, you know, illegal to possess or view such material. Funny how it's set up that way, eh?

Also, who says the chans are independent of actual CP networks anyway? I mean, isn't it true that tons of CP has actually been offered on the chans?

[guruilla]

Yeah because I was talking in that case to someone I've "known" (thru this place) for years about how we should conduct ourselves wrt to our own integrity. You can do what you fucken want, its not my problem and I couldn't care less.

So can the people you mentioned for that matter - I don't give a crap about them either. I've already criticised Abromovich for being a typically racist neo colonialist culture thief but that's about as far as it goes. re her "spirit cooking" people I know and me, myself have done those rituals in the past, probably will in the future and if you think its something "Satanic" or involves the abuse or murder of human children then get fucked.

Thats what pisses me off about this debacle as much as anything. You using that particular ritual as proof of the worst sort of child abuse with nothing else to go with it. You could be talking about me on exactly the same basis.

I have no problem with that, i.e., with associating your own immersion in occultism with your aggression and abusive verbal posting style (& your specific hostility towards me), or with attributing both to a negative identity that's clearly threatened by a discussion that cuts too close to the bone of its "satanic" (spiritually inverted) nature. Nothing personal intended, we all have a bit of the Abramovic neo-colonist in us, but yeah, I do see that as at the root of all forms of child abuse and everything else that's fucked up in the world (tho also, tragically, a symptom of it). So you could say you've proven me right about something. I guess I'll be putting you on ignore now, if that helps ease the pain any.

(Ignoring people who attack me may seem weak or avoiding to some people, and they may be right. But to be honest, the moderator's tolerance for personal attacks (of which I seem to be a prime target of late) in favor of meaningful engagement in the discussion means that, without that blessed Ignore function, I probably wouldn't continue posting here at all because it'd be too damn unpleasant. I did write a post about that after Jerky publicly threatened me and it was ignored; but I decided not to share it for fear of attracting yet more negative attention from the snark squad. (Makes me wonder what backtoiam could possibly have done to get a permanent ban. . .?))

slomo: can you give an example of something I wrote that you would call "an extreme position"? I think one thing we can all be much more careful about is not framing others in any general way at all, not even their "positions," but instead always referring to specific points. That's even in the rule book & it's a good one. I know you were in the process of defending me from a personal attack, however, so that makes this a special case. But I wanted to use it as an opportunity to point something out that I think is really important at the board.

[Nordic]

Slomo wrote:

This forum is an outgrowth of a blog whose central thesis (or one of them) is that elite CPP networks exist in conjunction with SRA. And yet, here we are, in the midst of a discussion of a possible exposure (and I will grant, once again, that all of the evidence is circumstantial and therefore highly prone to confirmation bias) and suddenly everybody be like "oh no, won't somebody think of the pizza parlors!?!?"

YES. Exactly.

Who are you people?

It's turning into DailyKos around here.

Why bother coming here? I can go to DailyKos and get the real thing.

[slomo]

slomo: can you give an example of something I wrote that you would call "an extreme position"? I think one thing we can all be much more careful about is not framing others in any general way at all, not even their "positions," but instead always referring to specific points. That's even in the rule book & it's a good one. I know you were in the process of defending me from a personal attack, however, so that makes this a special case. But I wanted to use it as an opportunity to point something out that I think is really important at the board.

So I should clarify that by "extreme" I do not mean "crazy", I mean that on the spectrum of positions espoused (or seemingly espoused) on this topic, you represent one end, while the other end is represented by (say) Jerky. It's a fair criticism that I should be careful about positions vs. points, but sometimes in the interest of linguistic economy one makes shortcuts. I don't think it is inaccurate to say that the totality of your points on this thread, and the way you contextualize them, suggest that your Bayesian posterior probability of pizzagate representing something "real" is higher than mine, and likely highest of all the RI members who have commented here. (But please do correct me if you feel I have mischaracterized your presence on this thread, as I do not wish to put words in people's mouths.) I don't ascribe this to any pathology, but rather simply a different calculus. You are processing the information differently than I and/or others, and that is OK.

Speaking of Bayesian posteriors, somewhere upthread I reported a posterior probability of about 5% that PG represents something I can't possibly even understand. I am now raising that probability to 80%. People are starting to notice that the world (its deep structure) has taken a very weird turn in the last month. I'm seeing it in a lot of blogs and subreddits (the ones I visit anyway), and it's not just about PG. For example, Nordic just posted this tweet: "the CIA protesting a right wing president being installed by a foreign power might be the funniest thing that has ever happened." Up is down, right is left, RigInt is DailyKos. It's not just about the election either. It feels like our timeline has been corrupted or something, in the software sense.

I dunno, maybe it's just late and I can't sleep. But fuck, everything is off. Everything. I've been feeling that way ever since the middle of this summer (when a very sad thing happened in my personal life), and it only seems to be picking up steam.

[divideandconquer]

I will agree with Guruilla on this point: the sudden hand-wringing about irresponsible conversations is very weird, especially on this forum.

Nobody on this forum has even come close to suggesting vigilante justice of any kind. The most extreme viewpoint (on the PG-is-real side) is espoused by somebody who has already stated that his main objective is a psychodynamic understanding of the phenomenon. This forum is an outgrowth of a blog whose central thesis (or one of them) is that elite CPP networks exist in conjunction with SRA. And yet, here we are, in the midst of a discussion of a possible exposure (and I will grant, once again, that all of the evidence is circumstantial and therefore highly prone to confirmation bias) and suddenly everybody be like "oh no, won't somebody think of the pizza parlors!?!?"

And, once again, I must state, I am absolutely 100% opposed to vigilante justice of any kind.

Some sort of stockholm syndrome? Overall, people who continue to buy into the right/left paradigm trust that certain power brokers--in this case, from the left-- either have their best interest at heart, or at the very least, are the lesser of two evils. Now that it's come out that elite CP networks cross political lines--duh!--people can't let go of their sympathetic sentiments and the trust and hope they've invested in these powerful people.

I'm beginning to think this "fake news" narrative and "pizzagate" is checkmate against truth seekers. It's just a matter of time. Take my sister, who was devastated by the Trump win. At Thanksgiving dinner, the moment I responded to anything my sister said about the election, she shouted, "fake news". She was so emotional, I didn't even bother trying to explain. It's the same situation with half the people I work with. They were also devastated by the Trump win and seem to relish in this "fake news" narrative, as if it proves some kind of point. I could deal with accusations of "conspiracy theorist", but in my experience, "fake news" shuts down conversations much more effectively.

[seemslikeadream]

It is because Trump traffics in Fake News...it is his MO

It is what he is all about

He is truly our first Fake News president

[Wombaticus Rex]

It is because Trump traffics in Fake News...it is his MO

It is what he is all about

He is truly our first Fake News president

Which is why the CIA feels so threatened and betrayed: Trump doesn't need them. He doesn't need them to orchestrate media coverage and create fake evidence. He doesn't even need evidence. Trump can mint reality through mere assertion.

That's going to make a lot of Federal agencies superfluous and they know it. They're scared.

[seemslikeadream]

Trump can mint reality through a mere tweet

it is not helpful when you have the world's fate in your hands

[Cordelia]

Which is why the CIA feels so threatened and betrayed: Trump doesn't need them. He doesn't need them to orchestrate media coverage and create fake evidence. He doesn't even need evidence. Trump can mint reality through mere assertion.

That's going to make a lot of Federal agencies superfluous and they know it. They're scared.

But, if he doesn't play the game, they'll take him out. It's happened before.

[MacCruiskeen]

It is because Trump traffics in Fake News...it is his MO

It is what he is all about

He is truly our first Fake News president

Please tell me you are joking.

[seemslikeadream]

The PolitiFact scorecard

Trump's statements were awarded PolitiFact's 2015 Lie of the Year.

True14 (4%)

Mostly True 37 (11%)

Half True 51 (15%)

Mostly False 63 (19%)

False 113 (33%)

Pants on Fire 61 (18%)

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/


Canadian Newspaper Compiles List of Almost 500 Trump Lies During Campaign
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... paign.html

He lied about the loan his father once gave him.

He lied about his company’s bankruptcies.

He lied about his federal financial-disclosure forms.

He lied about his endorsements.

He lied about “stop and frisk.”

He lied about “birtherism.”

He lied about New York.

He lied about Michigan and Ohio.

He lied about Palm Beach, Fla.

He lied about Janet Yellen and the Federal Reserve.

He lied about the trade deficit.

He lied about Hillary Clinton’s tax plan.

He lied about her child-care plan.

He lied about China devaluing its currency.

He lied about Mexico having the world’s largest factories.

He lied about the United States’s nuclear arsenal.

He lied about NATO’s budget.

He lied about NATO’s terrorism policy.



15 Hours of Donald Trump’s Lies
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -lies.html

This Newspaper Compiled A List Of EVERY SINGLE LIE Trump Has Told And It’s Eye-opening
http://newcenturytimes.com/2016/11/05/t ... e-opening/

[PufPuf93]

It is because Trump traffics in Fake News...it is his MO

It is what he is all about

He is truly our first Fake News president

You forget already about the GWB and Cheney gang and Faux?

Even during Gulf War I, CNN had active involvement by military special ops and did narratives like the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter and incubators.

What is different in 2016 is that the fake news has descended into the surreal and unbelievable and the news consumers have finally come unhinged from long term erosion of trust and no terra firma to ground perception.

We have fake news versus fake news in the fact marketplace now.

[seemslikeadream]

oh I have not forgot about them but it seems everyone else has

What is different in 2016 is that the fake news has descended into the surreal

yes