What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:39 pm

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

but Christie couldn't fit under there

under the bus...no....thrown off the bridge..yes


barracuda » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:37 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:27 am wrote:This is what I meant about the ex-ally with the big mouth suddenly out of the running as investigation heats up...


Rudy's not gone, he's just inspecting the underside of a bus with Trump's foot up his ass.

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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby Plutonia » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:20 pm

barracuda » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:50 am wrote:WTF ever happened to Weiner's FBI case anyway? Are they still working on that, or is Carlos off the hook? Anybody know? Ongoing investigation?

This is a good question considering that there are rumours that Clinton Foundation CEO Eric Braverman is in FBI protective custody since October (a widespread alternate rumour from Sorcha Faul(sp?) has him seeking asylum in Russia FWIW.) But I can't find a credible source for that info: http://pmnightlynews.com/index.php/2016 ... braverman/
There is an email that shows that Podesta had fingered Braverman as a leaker back in 2005:
Re: Tweet from @JoeNBC

From:ntanden@americanprogress.org
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
Date: 2015-03-08 19:48
Subject: Re: Tweet from @JoeNBC

Holy Moses.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 8, 2015, at 5:23 PM, John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Eric Braverman
>
> JP
> --Sent from my iPad--
> john.podesta@gmail.com
> For scheduling: eryn.sepp@gmail.com
>
>> On Mar 8, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Neera Tanden <ntanden@americanprogress.org> wrote:
>>
>> @JoeNBC: A source close to the Clintons tell @ron_fournier to "follow the money" and find the real HRC scandal. http://t.co/lPTQY0L0o4
>>
>> I'm hoping someone is keeping tabs on Doug Band. Quote in here is from someone who worked in Clinton Foundation.

https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-email ... 57#content


Here's the Zero Hedge report on the hold-up with the Weiner's laptop:

Oh one more thing first! Weiner was married to Hillary's top aide cum "surrogate daughter", Huma Abedin. The laptop the FBI seized was one Weiner shared with Abedin. On it they found a cache of Hillary's private emails and that is significant because Hillary got caught erasing her emails, which is a no-no: https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/arti ... uma-abedin and http://www.cbsnews.com/news/time-magazi ... to-delete/

650,000 Emails Found On Anthony Weiner's Laptop; DOJ Blocked Foundation Probe
by Tyler Durden
Oct 30, 2016 9:34 PM

Yesterday, we reported that the FBI has found "tens of thousands of emails" belonging to Huma Adein on Anthony Weiner's computer, raising questions how practical it is that any conclusive finding will be available or made by the FBI in the few days left before the elections

Now, according to the WSJ, it appears that Federal agents are preparing to scour roughly 650,000 emails that, as we reported moments ago were discovered weeks ago on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, to see how many relate to a prior probe of Hillary Clinton’s email use, as metadata on the device suggests there may be thousands sent to or from the private server that the Democratic nominee used while she was secretary of state, according to people familiar with the matter.

As the WSJ adds, the review will take weeks at a minimum to determine whether those messages are work-related emails between Huma Abedin, a close Clinton aide and the estranged wife of Mr. Weiner, and State Department officials; how many are duplicates of emails already reviewed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation; and whether they include either classified information or important new evidence in the Clinton email probe, which FBI officials call “Midyear.”

And, as we further reported earlier today, the FBI has had to await a court order to begin reviewing the emails, because they were uncovered in an unrelated probe of Mr. Weiner, and that order was delayed for reasons that remain unclear.

More stunning is just how many emails were found on Weiner's computer. And while one can only imagine the content of some of the more persona ones, the WSJ writes that the latest development began in early October when New York-based FBI officials notified Andrew McCabe, the bureau’s second-in-command, that while investigating Mr. Weiner for possibly sending sexually charged messages to a minor, they had recovered a laptop with 650,000 emails. Many, they said, were from the accounts of Ms. Abedin, according to people familiar with the matter.
Those emails stretched back years, these people said, and were on a laptop that both Mr. Weiner and Ms. Abedin used and that hadn’t previously come up in the Clinton email probe. Ms. Abedin said in late August that the couple were separating.

The FBI had searched the computer while looking for child pornography, people familiar with the matter said, but the warrant they used didn’t give them authority to search for matters related to Mrs. Clinton’s email arrangement at the State Department. Mr. Weiner has denied sending explicit or indecent messages to the teenager.

As reported yesterday, it appears that there are potentially tens of thousands of Abedin linked emails on Weiner's computer:
In their initial review of the laptop, the metadata showed many messages, apparently in the thousands, that were either sent to or from the private email server at Mrs. Clinton’s home that had been the focus of so much investigative effort for the FBI. Senior FBI officials decided to let the Weiner investigators proceed with a closer examination of the metadata on the computer, and report back to them.

The WSJ then connects the dots between how the Weiner emails were linked to the Clinton reopening of the Clinton probe, despite Loretta Lynch's and the DOJ's vocal urges not to do so:
At a meeting early last week of senior Justice Department and FBI officials, a member of the department’s senior national-security staff asked for an update on the Weiner laptop, the people familiar with the matter said. At that point, officials realized that no one had acted to obtain a warrant, these people said. [!!!]

Mr. McCabe then instructed the email investigators to talk to the Weiner investigators and see whether the laptop’s contents could be relevant to the Clinton email probe, these people said. After the investigators spoke, the agents agreed it was potentially relevant.

Mr. Comey was given an update, decided to go forward with the case and notified Congress on Friday, with explosive results. Senior Justice Department officials had warned Mr. Comey that telling Congress would violate well-established policies against overt actions that could affect an election, and some within the FBI have been unhappy at Mr. Comey’s repeated public statements on the probe, going back to his first press conference on the subject in July.

But wait it gets better.

Recall that this is the same Andrew Mcabe whose wife the Wall Street Journal reported last week received $467,500 in campaign funds in late 2015 from the political action committee of Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a longtime ally of the Clintons and, until he was elected governor in November 2013, a Clinton Foundation board member.
Mr. McAuliffe had supported Dr. McCabe in the hopes she and a handful of other Democrats might help win a majority in the state Senate, giving Mr. McAuliffe more sway in the state capitol. Dr. McCabe lost her race last November, and Democrats failed to win their majority.

FBI officials have said Mr. McCabe had no role in the Clinton email probe until he became deputy director, and there was no conflict of interest because by then his wife’s campaign was over.

Which brings us to the second big topic: the Clinton Foundation, and how the DOJ made sure that particular probe never made the light of day. At the same time as the Clinton server was being investigated, other Clinton-related investigations were under way within the FBI, and they have been the subject of internal debate for months.
Early this year, four FBI field offices—New York, Los Angeles, Washington and Little Rock, Ark.—were collecting information about the Clinton Foundation to see if there was evidence of financial crimes or influence-peddling, according to people familiar with the matter.

The WSJ touches on something fasctinating: Los Angeles agents had picked up information about the Clinton Foundation from an unrelated public corruption case and had issued some subpoenas for bank records related to the foundation, these people said. So where did that trail go? Apparently nowhere.

The Washington field office was probing financial relationships involving Mr. McAuliffe before he became a Clinton Foundation board member, these people said. Mr. McAuliffe has denied any wrongdoing, and his lawyer has said the probe is focused on whether he failed to register as an agent of a foreign entity. The FBI field office in New York had done the most work on the Clinton Foundation case and received help from the FBI field office in Little Rock, the people familiar with the matter said.

In February, FBI officials made a presentation to the Justice Department, according to these people. By all accounts, the meeting didn’t go well.

Some said that is because the FBI didn’t present compelling evidence to justify more aggressive pursuit of the Clinton Foundation, and that the career public integrity prosecutors in the room simply believed it wasn’t a very strong case. Others said that from the start, the Justice Department officials were stern, icy and dismissive of the case.

“That was one of the weirdest meetings I’ve ever been to,” one participant told others afterward, according to people familiar with the matter.

Needless to say, the probe into the Foundation faded.

But back to the Clinton probe, according to a person familiar with the probes, on Aug. 12, a senior Justice Department official called Mr. McCabe to voice his displeasure at finding that New York FBI agents were still openly pursuing the Clinton Foundation probe, despite the department’s refusal to allow more aggressive investigative methods in the case. Mr. McCabe said agents still had the authority to pursue the issue as long as they didn’t use those methods.

At this point a question emerges: did McCabe seek to defend or press on with a Clinton probe:
Mr. McCabe’s defenders in the agency said that following the call, he repeated the instruction that he had given earlier in the Clinton Foundation investigation: Agents were to keep pursuing the work within the authority they had.

Others further down the FBI chain of command, however, said agents were given a much starker instruction on the case: “Stand down.” When agents questioned why they weren’t allowed to take more aggressive steps, they said they were told the order had come from the deputy director—Mr. McCabe. Others familiar with the matter deny Mr. McCabe or any other senior FBI official gave such a stand-down instruction.

At this point the two probes, into Hillary's email and the Clinton Foundation converged:
For agents who already felt uneasy about FBI leadership’s handling of the Clinton Foundation case, the moment only deepened their concerns, these people said. For those who felt the probe hadn’t yet found significant evidence of criminal conduct, the leadership’s approach was the right response to the facts on the ground.

Things accelerated over the past two months, when in September, agents on the foundation case asked to see the emails contained on nongovernment laptops that had been searched as part of the Clinton email case, but that request was rejected by prosecutors at the Eastern District of New York, in Brooklyn. Those emails were given to the FBI based on grants of partial immunity and limited-use agreements, meaning agents could only use them for the purpose of investigating possible mishandling of classified information.
Some FBI agents were dissatisfied with that answer, and asked for permission to make a similar request to federal prosecutors in Manhattan, according to people familiar with the matter. Mr. McCabe, these people said, told them no and added that they could not “go prosecutor-shopping.”

Not long after that discussion, FBI agents informed the bureau’s leaders about the Weiner laptop, prompting Mr. Comey’s disclosure to Congress and setting of the furor that promises to consume the final days of a tumultuous campaign


While much of the latest developments are known, or could have been inferred assuming more corruption within government agencies, the punchline is that the weeks if not months of upcoming work means that if Clinton wins the White House, she will likely do so amid at least one ongoing investigation into her inner circle being handled by law-enforcement officials who are deeply divided over how to manage such cases. It also means that Trump will be hounding Hilllary for the remainder of the campaign as being the only presidential candidate to seek election with a recently reopened criminal probe hanging over her head.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-3 ... ers-laptop
How does all this relate to pizza, you ask? Organised crime, money laundering, influence peddling, child porn - a community of powerful people who don't exhibit much self-restraint or discretion.

And for the record, I'm still convinced that Hillary was intended to win the election, but no matter, Trump will serve his class, just as Hillary would have done, in acquiring even more wealth and power.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby barracuda » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:31 pm

Plutonia » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:20 am wrote:
barracuda » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:50 am wrote:WTF ever happened to Weiner's FBI case anyway? Are they still working on that, or is Carlos off the hook? Anybody know? Ongoing investigation?

This is a good question considering that there are rumours that Clinton Foundation CEO Eric Braverman is in FBI protective custody since October (a widespread alternate rumour from Sorcha Faul(sp?) has him seeking asylum in Russia FWIW.) But I can't find a credible source for that info: http://pmnightlynews.com/index.php/2016 ... braverman/


Sorcha Faal, huh? Are Hilldawg's assassins still pursuing targets?

I'm starting a new rumor that Braverman worked for the Russians the whole time. You heard it here first.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:39 pm

I can't find a credible source




is that really a new thing for this thread?

I can't believe it took this long for Sorcha Faal name to come up


sorry Plutonia....I thought everyone knew not to mention her name here



I'm more interested in these guys going to jail


because whoever thought there was going to be evidence of a crime was obviously mistaken. And that mistake probably changed the outcome of the election.”



Holocaust attorney sues FBI over election interference that could ‘lead to impeachment’ of Trump

“I filed a lawsuit today against the US Department of Justice seeking immediate disclosure of the FBI search warrant for the e-mails of Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin on Anthony Weiner’s laptop,” Schoenberg wrote on his Facebook page on Wednesday. “I think we need to see what ‘probable cause’ was shown for obtaining the search warrant, because whoever thought there was going to be evidence of a crime was obviously mistaken. And that mistake probably changed the outcome of the election.”

In a blog post late last month, Schoenberg explained that it would be very unusual for a judge to grant the FBI a search warrant “[s]imply because someone has the ability to commit the crime of intentionally violating laws governing the handling of classified information.”

“This is potentially very serious, something that if traced back to Donald Trump might even lead to impeachment,” Schoenberg wrote on his blog. “It deserves to be investigated fully and openly, and quickly, because if a crime was committed in the course of the FBI investigation, it is the crime of the century.”

The attorney told the Jewish Journal this week that it was reasonable to believe a Trump ally — including New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, former U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani — might have provided the false information to the FBI.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/holoca ... -of-trump/
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Postby guruilla » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:05 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:48 am wrote:
Nordic » 10 Dec 2016 14:02 wrote:But where do you draw the line? Do you keep completely mum about everything for fear it might have unintended consequences somewhere down the road?


No but you have to pay some mind to the consequences and how you present your information.

Anyone else notice the irony of people first dismissing that Alefantis, Abramovic & friends have any accountability for their sick & creepy ideas about "self expression" coz it's just art (and that's a dangerous line to cross), and yet now you're wanting to hold researchers accountable for trying to get at the truth? Double standard?
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Postby barracuda » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:27 pm

guruilla wrote:Anyone else notice the irony of people first dismissing that Alefantis, Abramovic & friends have any accountability for their sick & creepy ideas about "self expression" coz it's just art (and that's a dangerous line to cross), and yet now you're wanting to hold researchers accountable for trying to get at the truth? Double standard?


Inasmuch as pizzagate = art making, I have no problem with it, beyond the crap aesthetics.

Didn't Hermann Kitsch endorse Trump or something?

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Postby Nordic » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:21 pm

This board has sunk to a new low when it's most prolific poster is copy-pasting Rachel Maddow and rawstory.
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Postby norton ash » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:31 pm

Be fair, now... the copy-pasta here has been a truly bipartisan garbage dump.
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Postby slomo » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:31 pm

guruilla » 10 Dec 2016 11:05 wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:48 am wrote:
Nordic » 10 Dec 2016 14:02 wrote:But where do you draw the line? Do you keep completely mum about everything for fear it might have unintended consequences somewhere down the road?


No but you have to pay some mind to the consequences and how you present your information.

Anyone else notice the irony of people first dismissing that Alefantis, Abramovic & friends have any accountability for their sick & creepy ideas about "self expression" coz it's just art (and that's a dangerous line to cross), and yet now you're wanting to hold researchers accountable for trying to get at the truth? Double standard?

I agree that it is logically inconsistent to dismiss, on the one hand, the idea that artists and their patrons bear any responsibility for the impact of their work/passion (it's "dangerous" to suggest that) while on the other hand to assert that anyone who so much as discusses Pizzagate bears responsibility for the actions of one lone gunman. It speaks to some cognitive dissonance in play.

As for exhortations to follow the "scientific method": most people just see the published products of Science (if even that... how many of you have actually even read an article indexed on PubMed, from start to finish, much less written one?) The back stage of scientific practice is every bit as messy as pizzagate. So you are holding the internet to a higher standard than exists in the actual practice of Science, behind closed doors; yet on the internet (e.g. places like Reddit or even here at RI) there are no "closed doors", every conversation is visible to the public eye.
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Postby Burnt Hill » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:37 pm

Art doesn't pretend to be science.
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Postby Plutonia » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:39 pm

OP ED » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:37 pm wrote:Why would someone with a name like Huma Abedin be interested in cracker Baptist alliances to begin with?

Huma Abedin was married to Anthony Weiner. It's the emails that Hillary sent to Abedin that were found on Anthony Weiner's laptop that the FBI has been fumbling around with for a couple of months.
A former adviser to Bill Clinton describes her as “a mini Hillary.” Wherever Hillary goes, Abedin goes. In November 2008, when Hillary flew to Chicago to meet with President-Elect Barack Obama to discuss becoming secretary of state, she took Huma along. During Hillary’s grueling, nearly 11-hour congressional testimony in October about Benghazi, Abedin was there. She has been referred to as a “second daughter” to the Clintons. Others have described Hillary and Huma as like sisters.

Whoever wants to curry favor with Hillary has to go through Abedin, as thousands of recently released e-mails make abundantly clear. For the quotidian matters of the schedule, she speaks for Hillary, and people adept at getting access to Hillary know it. “Everybody fights to be at the center,” the former adviser says, “and Huma controls a lot of that dynamic.”

“I’m not sure Hillary could walk out the door without Huma,” Clinton adviser Mandy Grunwald told *Vogue’*s Rebecca Johnson eight years ago. “She’s a little like Radar on *M*A*S*H. If the air-conditioning is too cold, Huma is there with the shawl. She’s always thinking three steps ahead of Hillary.” It’s still true today. Nothing Hillary-related is too big or too small for Abedin’s purview. [...]

In her new position as vice-chair of Hillary’s campaign, Huma has even taken to being a stand-in for her boss at campaign-related events. In October, she and *Vogue’*s Anna Wintour were off to Paris together for a $1,000-a-person fund-raiser at the home of James Cook, an American businessman.

But, for all her proximity to the white-hot center of American politics, Abedin is every bit as unknown to the general public as her boss is world-famous.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/ ... on-adviser


OP ED » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:37 pm wrote:1. LS was caught twice before she was caught. Gatekeepers: give me a list of names of the non-victims of trafficking she was attempting to "rescue"...

If this is impossible, why?

2. Why did her "charity" appear to exist barely on paper and not at all in the real world?

3. Why would someone working for a rich and powerful organization not use its resources to do things, you know, like moderately legally at least? How did this make it past the PR guy? (Is Podesta the PR guy, or was he still working for the people that killed the old people back then?)

Why hire an attorney with a record which could be discovered on Google?

That's all one question.

4. How many trips did LS make across?

5. What was the actual plan for dispersion of the children involved? There doesn't appear to be any real records readily available.

6. Re: LS how does anyone even suspected of chld trafficking continue to work in the exploited children industry? Er, I mean something less offensive than "industry".

(Why wasn't their "attorney" already imprisoned?)

None of that has anything to do with pizza. Maybe next time.

These are good questions Op. I was looking at Silsby in an attempt to provide an answer to Slad question about the absence of victims.

As a side note, having spent time at the VOAT pizzagate sub, I've noticed that there seem to be several layers of investigation (and misdirection) going on and I wouldn't assume that no one is looking for the answers to questions like yours.

I'm also reminded of the Anonymous War on Scientology - was it 2008? - the sheer numbers of ordinary people investigating, posting, protesting, etc, was effective in terms of protecting professional investigators, whistleblowers and reporters from becoming targets of Fair Game retaliations. In fact it was an explicit strategy, and the same principal may be operative here:
Journalist Monica Petersen Found Dead Undergoing Child-Trafficking Investigation [IN HAITI]
23rd November 2016
Her cause of death has not yet been disclosed according to some sources, others say it has been ruled a suicide. Friends and family of the late journalist have been expressing their confusion on social media, implying that they are still in the dark in regards to the details of her passing. She was working with the Human Trafficking Center at the time and previously worked for the Colorado Human Trafficking Council’s Data & Research Task Force.
[...]
The final blog post by Monica Peterson before she was found dead:

by Monica Petersen, guest blogger

You won’t hear about it in sound bites of coverage on the evening news, but every American should understand these seven facts about the 63,000 kids that “showed up in the backyard” and need their plight acknowledged.

Illicit markets thrive where licit markets have been destroyed. Despite the façade of “free-trade” in Central America (or anywhere, for that matter), international trade is far from free flowing. Economic development policies between countries of the global North and South have favored Northern profits and the United States for decades. This has resulted in massive inequality of worldwide wealth and acute global poverty. Many Latin American economies attest to this. Where “free-trade” policies have collapsed the legal and formal markets of local economies, illicit and informal markets will fill the economic void as a necessity of human survival. Weapons, narcotics, endangered plants and wildlife, humans, and other illicitly traded commodities are advantageous to developing economies because regulated, domestic exports (such as auto parts, factory garments or agricultural crops) have been devalued to the point they are no longer competitive on the global market. Illicit markets are the natural comparative advantage for sustaining local livelihoods, and this is apparent in the homelands of border youth and children.

Criminal gangs often establish the supply niches for these illicit markets. Some are highly organized and violent cartels but most are loosely based. Minors in Central American conflict zones are at a higher risk for various types of child trafficking. Youth and children trafficked for gang soldiering and/or drug mules are an increased concern in the present context. Returning minors at the border to their homelands subjects them to these risks of human trafficking. Individuals caught in repeated cycles of fleeing and trafficking are common when violence and poverty occur together, making repatriation to these regions an unsustainable solution.

Hasty deportations of unaccompanied Central American minors violate international children’s rights.The United Nation’s Convention on the Rights of the Child outlines these child-specific rights and legal protections for anyone under the age of eighteen. Further, the current position of Congress and the Obama administration – to overhaul the 2008 Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act and deny fair trialsthat recognize refugee, asylee and trafficking victim statuses – is unacceptable for a nation claiming to lead the global fight against trafficking in persons.


The international principle of non-refoulment is being disregarded by the United States government. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees defines “non-refoulment” as the obligation of states to allow territorial access to refugees and asylees seeking safety from life threatening risks in their countries of origin. Returning border youth to documented violence in Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador is another significant U.S. violation of international law. In the modern era, “forced” and “willing migration” are almost never clearly defined categories, but U.S. immigration policies typically insist upon the later. This undermines the human rights of fleeing children – who are still owed due legal process regardless of whether they are undocumented.

The U.S. has a sixty-year history of provoking regional instability in Central America. The complexity of this has included crippling Cold War policies, CIA backed coups, civil wars instigated and funded by the U.S. government, and the infamously chaotic War on Drugs. Gangs have flourished as a result of the illicit market niches created by sixty years of political-economic strife, and present levels of violence in these countries are deeply rooted in this historic trauma. Still, the U.S. continues to ignore the realities Central American youth and children are faced with as a result of its aggravating (often illegal) involvement there.

Research overwhelmingly shows increased border militarization is an ineffective, inhumane solution for stopping migrant flows everywhere in the world. The current solution to quell youth flooding the border is a request for emergency funds from Congress. The funding would provide badly needed health and human resources for fleeing Central American youth. However, more than half of the requested $3.7 billion will fund an impressive boost in U.S. border patrols, surveillance, expedited immigration courts and anti-immigration campaigns – all proven to be inadequate controls in the long term. Completely open borders would not be sustainable without addressing root causes either. Nevertheless, two billion dollars toward creating fair-trade markets and formal employment opportunities in Central America (rather than creating more U.S. border military jobs) would be more likely to have a lasting effect on stabilizing the region.

“Border Children” is a one-dimensional label. Perhaps necessary for categorical references, it is critical to remember that each one of these migrant youth is an individual human being. They represent diverse identities, experiences, resistances and courage in their individual life journeys. Their futures need to be considered valuable to our world and they must be supported as whole people with equal human rights.

The United States has yet to develop an immigration strategy that will appropriately address the interdependent forces behind what is now a worldwide phenomenon – the largest, global displacement of human beings in all of history. That’s a big statement for U.S. leadership to continue neglecting. Awareness of the tremendous underpinnings of the current border crisis is a vital first step for the American public to take. Without citizen demands for policy reforms – of both a broken immigration system and flawed model of international development – it is unlikely the entrenched roots of Central American oppression will shift within U.S. bureaucracy. The youth at the border are merely one casualty of this.

*Monica Petersen graduated in 2014 with an MA in International Development from the Josef Korbel School of International Studies, University of Denver. She is currently a research intern at the Laboratory to Combat Human Trafficking in Denver and a research assistant for The Human Trafficking Center at DU. This blog does not necessarily reflect the position of any other person(s) or organization(s), and is the author’s work alone.
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Postby Plutonia » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:43 pm

barracuda » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:31 am wrote:
Plutonia » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:20 am wrote:
barracuda » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:50 am wrote:WTF ever happened to Weiner's FBI case anyway? Are they still working on that, or is Carlos off the hook? Anybody know? Ongoing investigation?

This is a good question considering that there are rumours that Clinton Foundation CEO Eric Braverman is in FBI protective custody since October (a widespread alternate rumour from Sorcha Faul(sp?) has him seeking asylum in Russia FWIW.) But I can't find a credible source for that info: http://pmnightlynews.com/index.php/2016 ... braverman/


Sorcha Faal, huh? Are Hilldawg's assassins still pursuing targets?

I'm starting a new rumor that Braverman worked for the Russians the whole time. You heard it here first.

Very funny.

Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that Sorcha Faal was presenting credible information, I was showing that she is also playing the "IT'S RUSSIA" card.

The in "FBI protective custody" rumour comes from an unnamed Intelligence insider. Not much to go on there.

But I think you've missed the point. There is enough evidence of corruption for the FBI to investigate the Clinon Foundation, however reluctantly. In that context, and that he was fingered by Podesta as a leaker, people - including journalists - are curious what he has to say where he is:
Meet The Man Who Can Expose "The Real Hillary Clinton Scandal"
by Tyler Durden
Oct 22, 2016 10:05 PM
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Of course, given that the email exchange between Podesta and Tanden, and the following tweet from NBC's Joe Scarborough, occurred just days after Braverman was relieved of his duties in March 2015 it does seem likely that he was the "source close to the Clintons" who told Ron Fournier "to follow the money and find the real HRC scandal."
"@JoeNBC: A source close to the Clintons tell @ron_fournier to "follow the money" and find the real HRC scandal. http://t.co/lPTQY0L0o4"


Ironically, Braverman's resignation also came shortly after the following email from Huma Abedin showing that Hillary directly approached the King of Morocco to host a meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative. In return, the King had promised "$12 million both for the endowment and to support the meeting." Huma concludes her email by saying "she [Hillary] created this mess and she knows it."
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So was this the questionable "contribution from foreign governments with lax oversight" that ultimately caused Braverman to resign?

More importantly, where is Eric Braverman now? Clearly, at one point, Braverman expressed some interest in exposing the deep corruption within the Clinton Foundation...now, with all of the new WikiLeaks disclosures, would seem like an opportune time to do just that. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-2 ... on-scandal


Again, I am not interested in the US's phony Blue/Red political theatre. This is about powerful people doing crime. Perhaps child trafficking for $$, power and control ie blackmail. Trump is not exempt

For historical context, the case of the Elm Guest House in the UK may be illustrative in that all of the political spectrum were represented as partakers, even top-ranking IRA. Their brochure even sported a paedo symbol, though I can no longer find the scan of it online. https://ianpace.wordpress.com/?s=elm+guest+house
[the British] government always kept a kind of standing army of news writers who without any regard to truth, or to what should be like truth, invented & put into the papers whatever might serve the minister

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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby PufPuf93 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:43 pm

norton ash » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:31 pm wrote:Be fair, now... the copy-pasta here has been a truly bipartisan garbage dump.


I just scan the many posts by AD, Frun, and SLAD and only read what catches my fancy and that seldom has anything to do with the thread topic.

That said I still like and enjoy the posters as individuals and would rather have their copy-pasta here than not as I find some of interest.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby slomo » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:44 pm

Burnt Hill » 10 Dec 2016 12:37 wrote:Art doesn't pretend to be science.

And so the moral culpability is different? Please.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby slomo » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:45 pm

Let me tell you a little story about science. My most highly cited work is a paper that is considered seminal. Everybody in the field knows the paper, because it changed the way things are done. The idea for it started in a conference room, where I said to my colleagues, "you know... it's possible that [the hypothesis that was eventually published and is now accepted]." One co-author of the paper fought me bitterly for months, he simply did not believe that what I was proposing was "real". Of course, he made me jump through more and more hoops to satisfy him. Eventually he conceded that I was probably right. More hoops were presented in the review stage of the work. All of these challenges of course made the paper better.

None of this drama is evident in the published version of the paper. It's presented as if we conceived of X, Y, and Z, in that order, from the very start.

This is totally normal, it's the way things are done.
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