Why is Counterpunch vile?

[Searcher08]

Seems to me that the only way to defend Counterpunch is to prove that regular antisemitism and support for people such as Shamir, Zundel, Atzmon etc (all of whom support for is verboten by RI rules) is NOT vile. I have slad and searcher on ignore so I can't see if their posts have done that. Would be a neat trick if they or anyone else did. Not holding my breath. Likely all you'll get is attacked; no real substance to refute the charge.

Thank you for being a linguistic case study for deflection and innuendo!
I'm curious how well you know AD in real life. Do you share an IP? Or a proxy?
You know sockpuppetry is against the rules here...

[Sounder]

Living with split psyches makes collaboration and reconciliation quite a challenge. Both ‘sides’ have shortcomings because they (collectively) tend to see one half of reality as being the whole of reality. Still my greater fear is the continuation of this debt based monetary system. With this system the general population has no control over their own lives.

When exposing myself to worldly verbiage, the first thing that will shut me down is advocacy for war and killing. George Soros says the EU needs to pony up and confront the wanna-be Russian Empire. So does AD, but not through cogent argument of his own words, no that would be too much trouble when there is such a wealth of material available.

I’m also not too keen on the use of negative associations to absolve oneself from considering possible substance in the ‘opponents’ arguments or position.

The killing of nuance is offensive.

AD, you talk about nuance with no examples thereof, and that is an empty form and the antithesis of nuance.

[American Dream]

Seems to me that the only way to defend Counterpunch is to prove that regular antisemitism and support for people such as Shamir, Zundel, Atzmon etc (all of whom support for is verboten by RI rules) is NOT vile. I have slad and searcher on ignore so I can't see if their posts have done that. Would be a neat trick if they or anyone else did. Not holding my breath. Likely all you'll get is attacked; no real substance to refute the charge.

Proof is in the pudding...

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Why is Counterpunch vile?




This question ranks right up there with: What's wrong with Brewster?



I see you've taken both moderators' advice from the last time your thread got locked and let it go in one ear and out the other, American Dream. You're a model of consistency, I'll give you that. But it certainly doesn't make things better here, if that's what you really want.

[American Dream]

This is important...

CounterPunch and the Red-Brown Front.






Soon to be in Red and Brown?

“The Pol Pot the Cambodians remember was not a tyrant, but a great patriot and nationalist, a lover of native culture and native way of life.”

Israel Shamir. CounterPunch. September the 18th 2012

http://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/20 ... own-front/

[solace]

Seems to me that the only way to defend Counterpunch is to prove that regular antisemitism and support for people such as Shamir, Zundel, Atzmon etc (all of whom support for is verboten by RI rules) is NOT vile. I have slad and searcher on ignore so I can't see if their posts have done that. Would be a neat trick if they or anyone else did. Not holding my breath. Likely all you'll get is attacked; no real substance to refute the charge.

Proof is in the pudding...

Alas, no pudding for you it appears.

[Searcher08]

Can a Mod please consider locking this demonstration of SolacAD's disruptive monomania

[seemslikeadream]

[Wombaticus Rex]

SLAD, thank you for the dog photos: really the best way to ground my morbid humor in something more redeeming.

Thank you for being a linguistic case study for deflection and innuendo!
I'm curious how well you know AD in real life. Do you share an IP? Or a proxy?
You know sockpuppetry is against the rules here...

That's about two point three inches from being a suspension-worthy accusation, so thanks for illustrating a good example of how not to phrase things. Being the being I be, some rules here seem arbitrary, but this is one I personally agree with -- otherwise it's just a downward ATS spiral, word to Bob Lazar.

Of all the mistakes I've made here as a moderator, posting IP information is the only one I still regret. Won't do it again. I will say that I'm more casually paranoid than most folks here, and if you have suspicions, I have probably abused my power to investigate them.

We're a sufficiently small number of ostensible actors, confined to a sufficiently small space, to justify taking any username here at face value as a wholly separate human agent from any other username.

I love you all. I do.

[American Dream]

Alexander Cockburn writing about Marine Le Pen on May 3rd, 2012:

Marine Le Pen is a nationalist politician, quite reasonably exploiting the intense social discontent in France amid the imposition of the bankers’ austerity programs. As Ambrose Evans-Pritchard put it in The Daily Telegraph recently, she “presents herself as a latterday Jeanne d’Arc, openly comparing France’s pro-EU camp with the Burgundians who plotted ‘English Annexation’ in the 1430s – or indeed ‘Les Collabos’ who bought peace after 1940. ‘Let us break the chains of the French people. Bring on the French Spring,’ she tells Front National rallies.”

Anti-Semitism? Diana Johnstone, an excellent journalist who has been reporting from France for years, writes to me, “There is absolutely nothing attesting to anti-Semitism on the part of Marine Le Pen. She has actually tried to woo the powerful Jewish organisations, and her anti-Islam stance is also a way to woo such groups. The simple fact is that the best way to destroy someone in this country is to call him or her ‘anti-Semitic’.”

Marine Le Pen certainly has made some unsavoury comments about immigrants and Islamisation. But she has gone to the heart of the matter, asserting that monetary union cannot be fudged, that it is incompatible with the French nation-state. She has won 18 per cent of the vote by campaigning to pull France out of the euro and smash the whole project. As Johnstone explains, a new poll shows only three per cent of French voters consider immigration the main issue. So logically, Le Pen cannot owe her 18 percent to that issue. *The number-one issue is employment.

[seemslikeadream]

Now That's A Good Dog!: How To Cook A Hot Dog Russian Style, Or, Alternatively: How I Died Trying To Heat A Wiener


This is how some system administrator in Russia prepares himself a quick meal during those long nights at the office -- with a 220-volt hotdog. He stabs a fork in each end, connects the clips, plugs in the plug, and presto: death by electrocution just waiting to happen. The guy even sticks LEDs in the dog to determine its ripeness. Now call me crazy, but my god that must be one delicious wiener. Hit the jump to see two more of the process, including cooking and LED insertion.


The Sausage Admin [englishrussia] Thanks to PN, who only cooks hot dogs with lasers.

[Project Willow]

OMG, get out the ban hammer, we have a disagreement on a discussion board!

CounterPunch made the FMSF its darling for many years, and so I hated it. But then after Cockburn passed, they published this Charles M. Young piece about Nick Bryant: http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/10/still-evil-after-all-these-years/

I've got mixed feelings, admittedly based on my own singular focus. Does that make me a closet fascist? Only AD knows for sure.

Are all the dogs here too laser overcooked to carry out some sort of meaningful exchange? Somebody mentioned nuance, I'd say grey area. Grey areas can be so beautiful, and at one time spawned some absolutely brilliant arguments in this very forum.

Heaven forbid this thread contain multiple viewpoints and examinations of where this particular source has gone since we last discussed it. http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=6411&hilit=counterpunch

[American Dream]

Thanks, PW. Sometimes it seems like there's a bunch people here who don't really support the ideals that Jeff Wells upholds, and that's kinda sad.

Here is an article on that shining star of Counterpunch,... Israel Shamir:


http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/20 ... s-welcome/

Morning Star: Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites welcome
September 22, 2012

By Andrew Coates. Cross-posted from Tendance Coatsey

The Morning Star, Britain’s ‘Communist’ paper publishes in its print-edition today a page written by Holocaust denier, Israel Shamir.



Above: Israel Shamir

It begins,

“Who’s behind Pussy Riot? An unholy alliance of big business and media barons…” Shamir observes,

Pussy Riot’s two-year sentence is quite in line with prevailing European practice. For much milder anti-Jewish hate talk, European countries customarily sentence offenders to two to five years of prison for a first offence.

We have already blogged on this.

Isreal Shamir’s concern about sentencing for anti-Jewish actions is far from a co-incidence.

In his many articles on the Holocaust ‘revisionist’ site Entre la plume et l’enclume he has shown great interest in the ‘Jewish question’. Recently Shamir cast doubt on the innocence of Captain Dreyfus.

This is a sample of his opinions (Wikipedia):

“In an essay published on his website discussing Holocaust denier David Irving, Shamir wrote that “the Jews” now “rule over the minds and souls of Europeans””

David Irving was sentenced for denial of Jewish superiority. His doom seals the reign of (albeit limited) freedom that began with the fall of Bastille. European history went full circle: from rejecting the rule of Church and embracing free thought, to the new Jewish mind-control on a world scale. Not only is Western Christian civilisation dead, but even its successor, secular European civilisation, has met its demise only a few days after its proud and last celebration by the Danish scribes. It was short-lived: about two hundred years from beginning to the end, the Europeans may once have had the illusion that they can live without an ideological supremacy. Now this illusion is over; and the Jews came in the stead of the old and tired See of St Peter to rule over the minds and souls of Europeans.[34]

Shamir claims his concern with the Holocaust is with the use of the narrative of the Holocaust by Jews to promote Jewish “superiority and exclusivity”,

It has everything to do with the Jewish claim of superiority and exclusivity. There is a Jewish prayer saying: “Bless you, Lord, that you created me a Jew, that you separated between Jews and the earth folks, like you separated between the Holy and Profane, that our fate is not like their fate”. The Holocaust concept is just another form of this prayer. They say that even their death is not like the death of anybody else.[42]

This is how the Guardian described Shamir last year,

an anti-Semite and Holocaust denier

And,

His latest book, in Russian, is called is called How to Break the Conspiracy of the Elders of Zion.

The Morning Star, a place where Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites are welcome.

[Searcher08]

Thanks, PW. Sometimes it seems like there's a bunch people here who don't really support the ideals that Jeff Wells upholds, and that's kinda sad.

Sorry, I burst out laughing when I read that. For me, it deserves a spotlight.
A "bunch of people" is an Othering process. Seriously, what next - call them "YOU PEOPLE"?
What you have written here I personally find very manipulative and disingenuous; it seeks to create the impression that you are some form of interpreter of Jeff. It is a very Roman Catholic approach - putting a 'priestly layer' (ie you) between the community and the distant now quasi-mystical entity.

The language AD used does not specify either
the WHAT (the ideals that Jeff upholds) or HOW this is known -
he just... well... asserts it.

This is the language of political propaganda. It is literal non-sense. Non sensory-based language.
You have been having the *same conversation* and using the *same approach* here since 2009.

My issues have been and still are just the same as OP-ED's were, though I think you rage more about Illuminati rather than ZOG these days. I do echo his comments about "unrelated blethering nonsense".

If you always do
what you've always done
Then you'll always get
what you've always got
so if what you are doing
is not working
try ANYTHING else

Self-reflection.

Or peek through the Johari Window.

christ, AD, you'd think you might go a whole thread or two without chasing alice around bugging her about Israel-fucking-Shamir.

that and the other strawmannish nonsense about ZOG gets more and more tiresome all the time.

Nothing in any of Alice's statements on this thread are even remotely related to your vendetta.

perhaps you should reread the thread. people should not be called upon to defend positions they have not claimed for themselves.

[frankly i don't care if she believes in ZOG, or Xenu or anything else, so long as she doesn't push it on me as truth, which hasn't happened whatsoever in this thread. i've also never seen her advocate anything resembling violence of any sort]

please comment on the ACTUAL content of her statements.

stop bringing up entirely unrelated blathering nonsense.

and/or go away.

[seemslikeadream]

How far down the rabbit hole do you go?



Meaningful exchange?

The title of the OP is beneath stupidity.....grey area...where's the grey area there Why is Counterpunch vile?....it's not why is Counterpunch vile that needs debating ..it's why would anyone post such a ridicules OP.... it's a joke...who debates a joke

vile
foul, nasty, unpleasant, bad, disagreeable, horrid, horrible, dreadful, abominable, atrocious, offensive, obnoxious, odious, unsavory, repulsive, disgusting, distasteful, loathsome, hateful, nauseating, sickening;
morally bad; wicked.

of little worth or value.

who the fuck is Bill Weinberg anyway.....someone who can't get published on Counterpunch anymore? Sour Grapes Weinberg

He's no Dave Lindorff.....Robert Fisk....Uri Avnery....Joe Bageant....Bob Fitrakis...... Harvey Wasserman