Is Trump being backed by the US military?

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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:57 pm

MacCruiskeen » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:55 pm wrote:
Project Willow » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:22 pm wrote:
Luther Blissett » 18 Jan 2017 11:02 wrote:
If I were a planner within the deep state, I'd easily use trump to carry out my needs.


He is functioning as their anointed scapegoat. He has become the great beast onto whom all fear and blame, conscious and unconscious, can be safely projected. He is the great mouthpiece out of which any criticism of the US empire and its corrupt institutions is immediately rendered dubious, while the Deep State marches in as savior, maneuvering itself into trusted ally status. Brilliant, actually.


I don't see how this works, Willow. The US military conducted over 26,000 bombing-raids on six countries under Obama last year alone, and nearly everyone turned a blind eye to it, if they even noticed. There was a massive transfer of wealth to the rich, Guantanamo was kept open, Manning was imprisoned, Assange was forced into that embassy, Libya was wrecked, ISIS headchoppers worked for the US in Syria, etc., etc. etc., and in the last few months alone there's been a massive build-up of US/NATO troops & materiel on seven countries right on the Russian border. Barely a voice was raised against any of this, because Obama is the smooth-talking saint of cool.

Now, suddenly, every US military or deep-state action will be under intense scrutiny by Liberals desperate for an opportunity to impeach Trump or even just to vilify him.

Here's a prediction I re-posted in the data dump. I'd bet a million dollars on it, if I had a million dollars:

MacCruiskeen » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:30 am wrote:
Michael Tracey ‏@mtracey 8 mins ago

The (largely ignored) wars that Obama initiated are going to be portrayed as evidence of "fascism" to the extent they continue under Trump.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/816680463418949633


The last thing the deep state wants or needs is a scapegoat in the Oval Office. (And how would he function as a scapegoat anyway?) They want an enabler.


The american left has been plenty angry about all of the above for the past eight years, and will continue to be. Just look at all the angry essays we copy and paste here.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby Project Willow » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:24 pm

MacCruiskeen » 18 Jan 2017 11:55 wrote:Now, suddenly, every US military or deep-state action will be under intense scrutiny by Liberals desperate for an opportunity to impeach Trump or even just to vilify him.


On the contrary, I've seen heightened support for the NATO action, wholesale acceptance of propaganda supporting Syria ops, along with, of course, growing anti-Russian sentiment among a huge swath of liberal friends. It's working on liberals who ignored or explained away all of Obama's sins, who view left/progressive criticism as fringe conspiracy fare. Every time Trump echoes some of this criticism, its legitimacy is lowered even further.

I got a pm from a liberal friend asking me to remove a Counter Punch article from my FB wall. He called me a Russian sympathizer. He stated he was in support of censorship of "harmful ideas". People are so frightened of the "fascism" symbolized in the Trump presidency, they will support any draconian project as long as it is perceived as having come from Democrats, or is being supported in the corporate media.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby kelley » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:12 pm

Pertinent distinctions made here re: civilian hawks, aka neocons, intelligence agencies, and military leadership whose loyalties may lie elsewhere:


Does a Rogue Deep State Have Trump’s Back?
Posted on January 18, 2017 by Charles Hugh Smith

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/01/ ... -back.html


Suddenly everybody is referring to the Deep State, typically without offering much of a definition.

The general definition is the unelected government that continues making and implementing policy regardless of who is in elected office.

I have been writing about this structure for 10 years and studying it from the outside for 40 years. Back in 2007, I called it the Elite Maintaining and Extending Global Dominance, which is a more concise description of the structure than Deep State. Going to War with the Political Elite You Have (May 14, 2007).

I’ve used this simplified chart to explain the basic structure of the Deep State, which is the complex network of state-funded and/or controlled institutions, agencies, foundations, university research projects, media ties, etc.

The key point here is you can’t separate these network nodes: you cannot separate DARPA, the national labs (nukes, energy, etc.), the National Science Foundation, DoD (Department of Defense), the National Security State (alphabet soup of intelligence/black budget agencies: CIA, NSA, DIA, etc.), Silicon Valley and the research universities: they are all tied together by funding, information flows, personnel and a thousand other connections.

For the past few years, I have been suggesting there is a profound split in the Deep State that is not just about power or ideology, but about the nature and future of National Security: in other words, what policies and priorities are actually weakening or threatening the long-term security of the United States?

I have proposed that there are progressive elements within the sprawling Deep State that view the dominant neocon-neoliberal agenda of the past 24 years as a disaster for the long-term security of the U.S. and its global interests (a.k.a. the Imperial Project).

There are also elements within the Deep State that view Wall Street’s dominance as a threat to America’s security and global interests. (This is not to say that American-based banks and corporations aren’t essential parts of the Imperial Project; it’s more about the question of who is controlling whom.)

So let’s dig in by noting that the warmongers in the Deep State are civilians, not military. It’s popular among so-called Liberals (the vast majority of whom did not serve nor do they have offspring in uniform–that’s fallen to the disenfranchised and the working class) to see the military as a permanent source of warmongering.

(It’s remarkably easy to send other people’s children off to war, while your own little darlings have cush jobs in Wall Street, foundations, think tanks, academia, government agencies, etc.)

These misguided souls are ignoring that it’s civilians who order the military to go into harm’s way, not the other way around. The neocons who have waged permanent war as policy are virtually all civilians, few of whom served in the U.S. armed forces and none of whom (to my knowledge) have actual combat experience.

These civilian neocons were busily sacking and/or discrediting critics of their warmongering within the U.S. military all through the Iraqi debacle. now that we got that straightened out–active-duty service personnel have borne the brunt of civilian planned, ordered and executed warmongering–let’s move on to the split between the civilian Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the DoD (Department of Defense) intelligence and special ops agencies: DIA, Army Intelligence, Navy Intelligence, etc.

Though we have to be careful not to paint a very large agency with one brush, it’s fair to say that the civilian leadership of the CIA (and of its proxies and crony agencies) has long loved to “play army”. The CIA has its own drone (a.k.a. Murder, Inc.) division, as well as its own special ops (“play army” Special Forces), and a hawkish mentality that civilians reckon is “play army special forces” (mostly from films, in which the CIA’s role is carefully managed by the CIA itself: How the CIA Hoodwinked Hollywood (The Atlantic)

Meanwhile, it’s not exactly a secret that when it comes to actual combat operations and warfighting, the CIA’s in-theater intelligence is either useless, misleading or false. This is the result of a number of institutional failings of the CIA, number one of which is the high degree of politicization within its ranks and organizational structure.

The CIA’s reliance on “analysis” rather than human agents (there’s a lot of acronyms for all these, if you find proliferating acronyms of interest), and while some from-30,000-feet analysis can be useful, it’s just as often catastrophically wrong.

We can fruitfully revisit the Bay of Pigs disaster, the result of warmongering civilians in the CIA convincing incoming President Kennedy that the planned invasion would free Cuba of Castro’s rule in short order. There are many other examples, including the failure to grasp Saddam’s willingness to invade Kuwait, given the mixed signals he was receiving from U.S. State Department personnel.

Simply put, if you are actually prosecuting a war, then you turn to the services’ own intelligence agencies to help with actual combat operations, not the CIA.This is of course a sort of gossip, and reading between the lines of public information; nobody is going to state this directly in writing.

As I have noted before:

If you want documented evidence of this split in the Deep State–sorry, it doesn’t work that way. Nobody in the higher echelons of the Deep State is going to leak anything about the low-intensity war being waged because the one thing everyone agrees on is the Deep State’s dirty laundry must be kept private.

As a result, the split is visible only by carefully reading between the lines, by examining who is being placed in positions of control in the Trump Administration, and reading the tea leaves of who is “retiring” (i.e. being fired) or quitting, which agencies are suddenly being reorganized, and the appearance of dissenting views in journals that serve as public conduits for Deep State narratives.

Many so-called Liberals are alarmed by the number of military officers Trump has appointed. Once you realize it’s the neocon civilians who have promoted and led one disastrous military intervention (either with U.S. Armed Forces or proxies managed by the CIA) after another, then you understand Trump’s appointments appear to be a decisive break from the civilian warmongers who’ve run the nation into the ground.

If you doubt this analysis, please consider the unprecedentedly politicized (and pathetically childish) comments by outgoing CIA director Brennan against an incoming president. Even if you can’t stand Trump, please document another instance in which the CIA director went off on an incoming president– and this after the CIA spewed a blatant misinformation campaign claiming a hacked Democratic Party email account constituted a successful Russian effort to influence the U.S. election–a surreal absurdity.

Let me translate for you: our chosen Insider lost the election; how dare you!

A number of observers are wondering if the CIA and its Deep State allies and cronies will work out a way to evict Trump from office or perhaps arrange a “lone gunman” or other “accident” to befall him. The roots of such speculations stretch back to Dallas, November 1963, when a “long gunman” with ties to the CIA and various CIA proxies assassinated President Kennedy, an avowed foe of the CIA.

Setting aside the shelfloads of books on the topic, both those defending the “lone gunman” thesis and those contesting it, the unprecedented extremes of institutionally organized and executed anti-Trump campaigns is worthy of our attention.

Given my thesis of a profound disunity in the Deep State, and the emergence of a progressive element hostile to neocons and neoliberalism (including Wall Street), then it’s not much of a stretch to speculate that this rogue Deep State opposed to neocon-neoliberalism has Trump’s back, as a new administration is pretty much the only hope to rid the nation’s top echelons of the neocon-neoliberal policies that have driven the U.S. into the ground.

Rather than being the bad guys, as per the usual Liberal world-view, the Armed Forces may well play a key role in reducing the utterly toxic influence of neocon-neoliberals within the Deep State.

If you have wondered why academics like Paul Krugman and the CIA are on the same page, it’s because they are simply facets of the same structure. Krugman is a vocal neoliberal, the CIA is vocally neocon: two sides of the same coin. I invite you to study the chart above with an open mind, and ponder the possibility that the Deep State is not monolithic, but deeply divided along the fault lines of Wall-Street-Neocons-Neoliberals and the progressive elements that rightly view the dominant neocon-neoliberals as a threat to U.S. national security, U.S. global interests and world peace.

We can speculate that some of these progressive elements view Trump with disdain for all the same reasons those outside the Deep State disdain him, but their decision tree is simple: if you want to rid America’s Deep State of toxic neocon-neoliberalism before it destroys the nation, you hold your nose and go with Trump because he’s the only hope you have.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:19 pm

Project Willow » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:24 pm wrote:
MacCruiskeen » 18 Jan 2017 11:55 wrote:Now, suddenly, every US military or deep-state action will be under intense scrutiny by Liberals desperate for an opportunity to impeach Trump or even just to vilify him.


On the contrary, I've seen heightened support for the NATO action, wholesale acceptance of propaganda supporting Syria ops, along with, of course, growing anti-Russian sentiment among a huge swath of liberal friends. It's working on liberals who ignored or explained away all of Obama's sins, who view left/progressive criticism as fringe conspiracy fare. Every time Trump echoes some of this criticism, its legitimacy is lowered even further.

I got a pm from a liberal friend asking me to remove a Counter Punch article from my FB wall. He called me a Russian sympathizer. He stated he was in support of censorship of "harmful ideas". People are so frightened of the "fascism" symbolized in the Trump presidency, they will support any draconian project as long as it is perceived as having come from Democrats, or is being supported in the corporate media.


Well, you know the US first-hand much better than I do, and what you report is even more depressing than what I had imagined, especially as you're reporting from a hip milieu in a hip city. I was hoping most of the derangement was confined to the corporate-media class, and that it would subside once the hacks realised their jobs were not at risk. And I was hoping most educated Americans with an internet connection would be able to see through the current derangement and resist it. But this steady rightward drift has been going on ever since 9/11 (ever since Reagan, really) and Obama has done nothing to stop it. On the contrary, he has just put a tolerable face on it. And now, thanks to him and his Party, we have a New Cold War.

Too much wishful thinking on my part. I underrated the power of the Spectacle, and the power of class interest. (My feeble excuse is that I am tired.) I'll now revise that line heavily:

Now, suddenly, every US military or deep-state action malapropism, vulgarity or bad-hair day will be under intense scrutiny by Liberals desperate for an opportunity to sneer at Trump, just as they sneered at GW Bush, and just as ineffectively.


Scratch a liberal, find a fascist. They'll support war on Russia or Iran or China or whatever it purportedly takes to prevent a further slide in their standard of living. Trump, like Bush, will be vilified for his style much more than his substance, if even that.

Now please excuse me while I bury my head in the sand. At least it'll stop me making predictions.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:25 pm

I guess I could look it up, but anyone remember going on 15-20 years ago now the sorta kinda widespread thing by I think some ex or retired American military fuck who predicted a military take over? Dammit, I'm gonna have to look it up now. I remember "commentary" on it was back in the dubya days that "liberals" looked forward to it. You got me on that. But I for some reason, thought to myself anything to get this fucker out of office. It was a knee jerk thing being that anything would be better. I disagree with that now. Yet who saw a trump coming around the pike?

Damn. Found it. I am sure most of us have read it. I got the date above wildly wrong. It was printed in 1993. I was still in high school then. Here's the link:

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/politi ... oldunl.htm

Sorry to front load this comment with all of the above. I don't feel like re-writing it.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby Sounder » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:43 pm

A worthy question Nordic.


Thanks kelley for that Charles Hugh Smith essay.

I sure hope there is a split in the deep state, and why not, it's everywhere else.

Uggg, it's hard to believe that the military are the grown ups in the room.

But if true, thank-you.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby Morty » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:56 pm

Sounder wrote:Thanks kelley for that Charles Hugh Smith essay.

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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby Elvis » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:58 pm

Project Willow » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:24 pm wrote:
MacCruiskeen » 18 Jan 2017 11:55 wrote:Now, suddenly, every US military or deep-state action will be under intense scrutiny by Liberals desperate for an opportunity to impeach Trump or even just to vilify him.


On the contrary, I've seen heightened support for the NATO action, wholesale acceptance of propaganda supporting Syria ops, along with, of course, growing anti-Russian sentiment among a huge swath of liberal friends. It's working on liberals who ignored or explained away all of Obama's sins, who view left/progressive criticism as fringe conspiracy fare. Every time Trump echoes some of this criticism, its legitimacy is lowered even further.

I got a pm from a liberal friend asking me to remove a Counter Punch article from my FB wall. He called me a Russian sympathizer. He stated he was in support of censorship of "harmful ideas". People are so frightened of the "fascism" symbolized in the Trump presidency, they will support any draconian project as long as it is perceived as having come from Democrats, or is being supported in the corporate media.


Willow, you are right. This is really bad. Reading that exhange, it dawned on me how bad it is. I know several people, including some close friends & relatives, who fit that description. The fact that your friend—who, like the others, prides himself in being so well informed—actually believes that Russia stole the election tells me the perception managers are winning. Another new reality, with Democracy Now! reporting it...judiciously.


MacCruiskeen wrote:what you report is even more depressing than what I had imagined, especially as you're reporting from a hip milieu in a hip city.


Yes Mac, I'm afraid it's really bad. I know Seattle, too, it might be especially bad here in terms of "progressives" swallowing the anti-Russia hysteria to the point where they now believe that the Russians stole our election. They read the big papers (ST/NYT) and hip magazines like the Atlantic and watch Rachel Maddow and you can't tell them anything. I'd say a good number of them (majority?) preferred Clinton over Sanders for all the 'practical reasons. Many would probably be in favor of almost any alternative to Trump.


I was hoping most of the derangement was confined to the corporate-media class, and that it would subside once the hacks realised their jobs were not at risk. And I was hoping most educated Americans with an internet connection would be able to see through the current derangement and resist it.


Alas. :wallhead:

But—let's not forget those huge crowds turning out for Bernie Sanders, who (imo) would have won in a fair fight. There is a kernel of greatness in the USicans, but but every time it sprouts, it gets smothered.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:04 pm

Nordic » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:34 pm wrote:Today I've seen 2 instances of non-US based observers, both of whom I respect a great deal, suggest that Trump has the backing of the US Military. This would explain a great deal.

It would explain how he was able to win the election when The CIA and the neocons backed Clinton to the point where the result was supposedly never in doubt (and they made sure Bush got it in 2000 and 2004 and would have hacked it for Obama if needed) and it would explain why there is such a massive media propaganda storm against Trump (backed again by the Deep State and CIA). It's very possible the military saw us heading inexorably to war with Russia (as we most certainly were with Obama ---> Clinton) and the military might actually think a war with Russia is a terrible idea (because it is literally fucking insane!). And the military may have put their foot down and put the brakes on the CIA's plans. There is now a clear battle going on behind the scenes, visible up to most of us as an orchestrated, unanimous media assault against Trump's legitimacy combined with portraying Vladimir and those dastardly Russians as being a serious threat to the USA. The CIA/Deep State has run this country for a very very long time with no opposition. JFK and his brother may have been the last people to actively oppose them, and their fate discouraged any further opposition. But the military is another matter ENTIRELY.

I've been trying to wrap my head around this since Election Day, when in the morning I knew Hillary going to lose and she cancelled her fireworks extravaganza. Since then, because I originally felt the shift occur when Weiner's laptop was discovered and Comey came out the way he did that the FBI was the opposing party BTS. But the FBI vs the CIA/Deep State doesn't seem like it would be much of a contest. The military is a major wildcard that may have surprised even the PTB.

Thoughts?


You seen this?

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/17/not ... e-shadows/
Notorious Mercenary Erik Prince Is Advising Trump From the Shadows


Trump kicked the Koch brothers personally off his golf course, numerous articles are reporting most the Bush national security/neocon hawk/weekly standard types are on a permanent blacklist.
Trump continues to routinely cheerlead Julian Assange(tho strangely has made no mention of Manning)
Now if one peaks into the world of Alex Jones, Zero Hedge and many other popular conspiracy sites Donald Trump has come to restore America from the "NWO globalists" and prevent world war 3.
Tho according to 99% of social media, actors, comedians, etc Trump is "literally Hitler" and most on the left see no distinction between Trump and the Bush/Cheney cabal.

I personally have no idea what the heck is going on, don't fully buy the Democratic "he's a Russian puppet!" conspiracies, and wonder if Trump got lucky.
He seems to have a cozy relationship with the conspiracy radio/blog world as does Michael Flynn and others in his cabinet...I guess it'd be akin to if Bush was into 9/11 truther theories.
Either way shit's a hall of mirrors and going to get really weird and confusing.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:11 pm

Project Willow » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:24 pm wrote:
MacCruiskeen » 18 Jan 2017 11:55 wrote:Now, suddenly, every US military or deep-state action will be under intense scrutiny by Liberals desperate for an opportunity to impeach Trump or even just to vilify him.


On the contrary, I've seen heightened support for the NATO action, wholesale acceptance of propaganda supporting Syria ops, along with, of course, growing anti-Russian sentiment among a huge swath of liberal friends. It's working on liberals who ignored or explained away all of Obama's sins, who view left/progressive criticism as fringe conspiracy fare. Every time Trump echoes some of this criticism, its legitimacy is lowered even further.

I got a pm from a liberal friend asking me to remove a Counter Punch article from my FB wall. He called me a Russian sympathizer. He stated he was in support of censorship of "harmful ideas". People are so frightened of the "fascism" symbolized in the Trump presidency, they will support any draconian project as long as it is perceived as having come from Democrats, or is being supported in the corporate media.


The left on social media lately reminds me of this classic Kids in the Hall skit, aka paranoid Mccarthy era 50's red scare folks


The joke to me is, all this Russian hoopla is over the hacked leaking of evidence showing the "impartial" DNC cheating Bernie Sanders at every turn.
Instead of being angry at the DNC, all the focus is on the ones that hacked the information and not the actual information.

That said, what Russia did in Syria I find horrendous. But I absolutely am glad they hacked, if they did, the DNC
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby SonicG » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:02 am

The prevalence of military officers among Trump's pick, as well as a prevalence for billionaires, might also have something to do with thinking ex-military will be easier to slide through confirmation...
But if the military is somehow staging a "democratic" coup to stave off war with Russia, whither China...Seriously, because there seems to be no softening on China and open taunting vis-a-vis Taiwan and the Great East China Sea...I will mention again that Christoper Knowles feels that it is all about China more than Russia...Either way, assuming everything turns out peachy with Russia: Trump fends off whatever the hearings dig up and whatever more "fake news", a near-immediate end to the sanctions on Russia goes smoothly...Although could a nuclear reduction deal really be worked out that quickly?...It all seems so doubtful though, especially trying to ignore the role of China...What would be the ramifications of an immediate trade war with China?
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:17 am

Yes

The Knowles video was good

The Coming War on China

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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby Nordic » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:54 am

A trade war is not a war.


Willow, what you posted should scare the shit out of everyone in the US. If they weren't already brainwashed like that fellow. Let's call it what it is: brainwashing.


I was thinking about posting the Erik Prince info posted above by 8bit. Erik Prince does not exist in a vacuum. I personally know veterans who have army buddies currently working as "contractors" doing fighting and killing people overseas. Prince isn't official military or official anything else so the rules he has for speaking publicly are different. It's very likely he's some kind of go-between between the Trump people and the military. Prince spoke very damningly about The Dems and Clinton and whatever was on Weiner's laptop weeks ago when it was first revealed and claimed that the NYPD and (I think) the FBI were "this close" to arresting some serious VIP's. Is he full of shit? Maybe. Maybe he's not. Is he a nice guy? Of course not. But he's a heavy player.

This is all just speculation on my part but it's making some sense (to me at least). I'm not sure mere FBI support is enough for Trump to survive the CIA.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:59 am

Nordic » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:54 am wrote:A trade war is not a war.


Willow, what you posted should scare the shit out of everyone in the US. If they weren't already brainwashed like that fellow. Let's call it what it is: brainwashing.


I was thinking about posting the Erik Prince info posted above by 8bit. Erik Prince does not exist in a vacuum. I personally know veterans who have army buddies currently working as "contractors" doing fighting and killing people overseas. Prince isn't official military or official anything else so the rules he has for speaking publicly are different. It's very likely he's some kind of go-between between the Trump people and the military. Prince spoke very damningly about The Dems and Clinton and whatever was on Weiner's laptop weeks ago when it was first revealed and claimed that the NYPD and (I think) the FBI were "this close" to arresting some serious VIP's. Is he full of shit? Maybe. Maybe he's not. Is he a nice guy? Of course not. But he's a heavy player.

This is all just speculation on my part but it's making some sense (to me at least). I'm not sure mere FBI support is enough for Trump to survive the CIA.


Its just funny how splintered it all is. 10 years ago in 2004-2008, it was clearly a united front. You had liberal 9/11 truthers, anti war folks, etc completely in line with the Libertarians, Alex Jones, "anti NWO" folks.
Almost two decades I been following the conspiracy and deep politic subculture online, now everything is updown side-ways. Islamic terror went from being a "CIA false flag agenda" to being "the clash of civilization".
The left who laughed at right wing 1950s paranoia red scare against Russia and who supported Wikileaks now sound like paranoid 1950s right wingers with "Russia this, Russia that".

I just can't help but laugh thinking how goofy ass 80s-90s-2000s tv celebrity Donald freaking Trump humiliated and destroyed the Bush family on tv, destroyed the political social norm and order, and is now the most
powerful man on the planet in 24 hours. Even as a "progressive" I find it amazingly kind of awesome. Trump doesnt give a shit. He called Mccain a loser, called the Bushes losers, said Obama and Hillary founded ISIS, said Ted Cruz family was involved in killing JFK, and his top national security adviser is talking about "pizzagate" pedos on his twitter. Dick Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld may not have liked Clinton but I damn sure can imagine they are aghast and horrified Trump became president like all of the left and some on the hawkish right
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