Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Joe Hillshoist]

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Yes, the cat is amused because it believes it's chasing something that can actually be caught. The cat is being deceived.

You're right, though: it's an imperfect comparison as no harm will ever come to the cat, and the owner enjoys offering entertainment for the cat (ah, but does the owner 'enjoy' offering this entertainment because they see the cat is entertained, or do they enjoy observing how easily a cat can be deceived? Perhaps a bit of both; depends on the owner).

This is more about belief vs. actuality.

How do you know what the cat is thinking? Did you ask it?

This is quickly getting stupid.

Its just another one of your untested assumptions.

[Belligerent Savant]

Prior to 2020, it was not uncommon at all to die of a flu, a cold, or pneumonia when already seriously ill with another illness, such as cancer. The world wasn't turned upside down because of this, was it? You're saying lockdowns are necessary because the terminally ill died of flu-like symptoms?

Insipid argument.

As i've typed before, believe whatever the F you want about what we've experienced since 2020. Good luck with it.

There are reports coming out of India right now are that young people and children are being admitted to hospital and dying at much higher rate than the first wave.

Other reports are saying that isn't true, its just that because more people are infected the number of dead young people and kids is higher tho the proportion remains the same.

Is this "The terminally ill dying of flu-like symptoms"?

Also waiting for an answer as to why asymptomatic cases don't lead to death.

Did you see this?

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Some added perspective on India --

(of course, "confirmed covid deaths" also include deaths by other primary causes)


Correlation? At a minimum, testing positive shortly after taking a shot is not anomalous.



The message managers understand that as the flu has long since left the northern hemisphere they require a fear narrative to sustain the hysteria throughout the summer until the flu season arrives again in late autumn:



The sheep can now go back to their regularly-scheduled programming.

Yes, I typed 'sheep'. Those that subscribe to token narratives deserve no better.

What do you think those graphs mean?

And this - the media... can't trust 'em, eh?




You asked "what do you think those graphs mean", above.

They mean that India is currently on an upswing in their infulenza/flu season, and that the media, as usual, is purposely misleading the public with selective statistics.

What do YOU think it means?

Joe:
Its just another one of your untested assumptions.

Right, Joe. Right.

[Karmamatterz]

There are reports coming out of India right now are that young people and children are being admitted to hospital and dying at much higher rate than the first wave.

Of course there are. Let me guess, the same shrill and garbage reporting by NPR, NYT, LAT, FOX, AP, CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, PBS, WAPO etc.. etc.....The lazy fucks who are spoon fed bullshit that then regurgitate like cows chewing their own cud.

Can you name ANY SOURCES in the media that don't take a penny from big pharma and that are NOT in any bed with the bio-security state?

[Joe Hillshoist]

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I'm not the author, Joe.

And what do you mean, "Why?" Oh, I see -- covid is the silent killer, is that it? a patient may display no covid symptoms, but covid will still be the primary reason for a death of, say, a terminally ill cancer patient, is that your position? How many that were listed as asymptomatic -- and with NO OTHER AILMENTS OR MORBIDITIES -- died?


Is my answer to the "Why" question going to dispel all the other points raised by the author? What's your position on the other points the author raised? Do they have any merit? If not, WHY not?

Other points raised by the author. Here we go:

Under the paragraph Age Standardised Mortality

There is nothing in that paragraph that recognises the change in trend that led to a massive increase (the biggest since 1951 according to the figures the author provides) in the ASMR.

ASMR's were in continual decline throughout the post war period. That decline stopped abruptly in 2009 as the economic impact of the global financial crisis took its toll on public health. Thereafter it showed a marginal rise to 2019. Mortality in 2020 and 2021 should be seen in the context of a global financial crisis that dwarfs the credit crunch of 2008.

My question to you, or the author, re the bolded is again "Why"? (If you can't answer this why are you taking it on face value?)

As far as I can see there is no logic to that statement, its just a form of priming.

The increases the author refers to match pandemics or local epidemics in 1951, '58 and '68-9 (1970 spike). no mention of this which does make me question the authors integrity.

2020 not only didn’t have the highest mortality rate in the post war period, it didn't have the highest mortality rate in the 21st century either. 2020 ranked 9th, out of 20 consecutive years, for all cause mortality in England and Wales. It was the 11th least dangerous year in the last 50.

No it didn't. What it did have is the largest rate spike in 70 years ie a generation.

Under the paragraph headed PCR Does Not Mean COVID:

SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19 are not the same thing. The detected presence of SARS-CoV-2 does not mean the person has or will develop COVID-19.

Therefore the attribution of mortality based solely upon a positive test result in no way proves the person died of COVID-19.

This is disingenuous at best.

Regardless of their SARS-CoV-2 test status, without a very accurate diagnosis of symptoms, suspected COVID-19 patients could be suffering from one among a range of ILI's. Again, a positive test result does not mean the patient died from COVID-19, even if they had corresponding symptoms.

What? A positive test shows the presence of the virus. There is nothing to that point to suggest otherwise. A positive test of what? He's only talked about signs and symptoms at this stage apart from referencing the PCR test. There is nothing in the writing under the heading to support the heading. Its just priming again.

Under Notifications of Infectious Diseases:

This is not credible. While it is true that people were told not to go to a doctor if they suspected they had COVID-19, a diagnosis by a doctor was still necessary at some point. Self diagnosis doesn't usually afford access to hospital treatment. The suggestion by FullFact that doctors unilaterally decided not to bother with their statutory obligations is ridiculous.

What this massive difference between claimed cases, subsequent COVID-19 mortality and NOIDS indicates, is that Doctors were largely reliant upon laboratory testing to fulfil the duty to notify the authorities. This adds considerable weight to the notion that laboratory testing was the leading determinant in the overwhelming majority of COVID-19 diagnosis.

This is the process. If a lab notifies, especially if its after a test at a fever clinic or whatever the UK equivalent is that is the Dr notifiying but the notification is still made. And yeah i know, this is sposed to be the set up for "Oh Noes PCR tests are all Rong."

BTW When the government lowers estimates of COVID deaths based on changing methodology that is a good thing because better accuracy.

From this we learned that 91.1% of alleged COVID deaths had at least 1 serious additional comorbidity. The mean number of comorbidities for a those under 70 was 2.1 and for the vast majority over 70 it was 2.3.

It is preposterous to claim that a decedent who had cancer, pneumonia and had just had surgery, but tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 four weeks earlier, could reasonably be categorised as a COVID-19 death. Yet that is precisely what happened, and continues to happen to this day.

This isn't every case tho ius it? Its just priming you to think it is. Co morbidities include diabetes and obesity - that don't mean people are gonna die soon from them. Its also not preposterous to claim that COVID was responsible for post surgery death if most people don't die post surgery but covid can be shown to impinge on someone's recovery.

Under Covid-19 Cures the Flu:

Of course it does. Well what it actually does is slow the spread of flu. Well technically promoted responses to it do that -

Washing your hands, covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze and social distancing (ie standing a metre and a half away from someone and talking to them instead of right in their face) are all things that were promoted in response to covid. They are coincidentally the very things my parents taught me as a kid because their parents lived thru the Spanish Flu epidemic and that was how people dealt with it.

Not to mention not going out in public if you have flu like symptoms. Which is what people should have done prior to 2020 anyway but business doesn't like that sort of disruption to "productivity".

How can flu and pneumonia possibly be on more death certificates than COVID-19 if, as the media and PHE allege, it has been wiped out? It seems the medical profession didn't get the memo.

COVID causes pneumonia. The reason people noticed it in the first place in China was because of unporedented increase in rates of pneumonia and associated deaths.

A "confirmed case" was dependent solely upon a positive test result and was given the code U07.1. Observable symptoms were not necessary for U07.1 code to be recorded on a death certificate.

A suspected COVID-19 case was coded as U07.2. A decedent known to have had contact with a SARS-CoV-2 positive person who, while neither testing positive nor having any symptoms themselves, was deemed a suspected/probable COVID-19 case and given the code U07.2.

Neither the U07.1 nor the U07.2 codes required any evidence that the decedent had COVID-19.

JFC. A positive test result is evidence FFS.

If a doctor was uncertain and merely suspected a probable COVID-19 case, they were clearly advised to record it on the MCCD as a confirmed case (U07.1 and not U07.2). Again, ensuring it would be reported as the "underlying cause."

Suspected probable case does not mean just make it up as you go along. That statement is the exact opposite of the WHO guidance directly above it:

Although both categories, U07.1...and U07.2 ....are suitable for cause of death coding......it is recommended, for mortality purposes only, to code COVID-19 provisionally to U07.1 unless it is stated as probable or suspected.

When the ONS reports covid deaths are they stated "confirmed or probable" cos if so that whole point is a waste of space and irrelevant.

In the circumstances of there being no swab, it is satisfactory to apply clinical judgement.

This does not mean Drs just make it up .... or is the author questioning their clinical judgement? Ie saying they are too incompetent to be Doctors. despite not knowing every single doctor or example of this happening.

NHS staff and carers who may have been uncomfortable with all this have been under no illusions. The use of draconian Hospital Trust gagging orders (non disclosure agreements) are widely reported. Carers who have spoken out have been sacked.


See the bolded? That is a link. The link states:

Five carers who lost their jobs in the past fortnight after raising concerns about understaffing and personal protective equipment shortages at homes are considering taking legal action, according to a charity that is warning more whistleblowers face being sacked before the end of the Covid-19 crisis.

Understaffing and PPE shortages ... nothing about speaking out about reporting guidelines.

Under What was the Cause of Death?:

False negative PCR tests are more common than false positive and nearly a year ago (as the link shows) systems were put in place to deal with false positives (and false negatives.) If false negatives are more common then the error rate from RT PCR testing actually underestimates the number of cases, not the other way around.

It seems highly likely that these deaths were wrongly recorded as COVID-19.

Wrongly recorded or did COVID kill them earlier than those other cause would have? They are different.

Finally...

If there are no symptoms, then the disease cannot have contributed towards a death.

Why not?


That's two hours of my life I won't get back.

[Joe Hillshoist]

There are reports coming out of India right now are that young people and children are being admitted to hospital and dying at much higher rate than the first wave.

Of course there are. Let me guess, the same shrill and garbage reporting by NPR, NYT, LAT, FOX, AP, CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, PBS, WAPO etc.. etc.....The lazy fucks who are spoon fed bullshit that then regurgitate like cows chewing their own cud.

Can you name ANY SOURCES in the media that don't take a penny from big pharma and that are NOT in any bed with the bio-security state?

I don't live in the US and don't follow any of those acronyms. I'm getting my info from people and media in India.

Did you miss the bit where I typed this:

Other reports are saying that isn't true, its just that because more people are infected the number of dead young people and kids is higher tho the proportion remains the same.

Grow up.

[Joe Hillshoist]

What do YOU think it means?

There is obviously a correlation between flu seasons and covid spikes. Being viruses that rely on benign environmental conditions to spread, why is this a surprise?

There is also a correlation between Vaccines and the second wave of deaths from COVID.

But there is also a correlation between massive public gatherings and the second wave.

The graph on its own doesn't mean anything other than there is a correlation.

[alwyn]

Joe Hillshoist wrote: " I don't live in the US and don't follow any of those acronyms. I'm getting my info from people and media in India.

Did you miss the bit where I typed this:

Other reports are saying that isn't true, its just that because more people are infected the number of dead young people and kids is higher tho the proportion remains the same.

Grow up.

Coming out of lurking mode here. What i find fascinating here (US) is almost wholesale manipulation of news at this point. Some reports say this, some say that. In the US, medical doctors and front line caregivers are being censored and deplatformed for going against the dominant narrative, or for pushing for simple treatments and prophylactics. Politicians are on record saying trust the science, and the science is settled, which, if you know science at all means they are talking out their a**.

Joe, you are closer to India, and I find it equally fascinating for you to say there are also conflicting reports, although perhaps in the fog of the covid war, this is natural. I have some friends in India, I think I will give them a holler and see what they have to say about the subject.

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
The irony of that comment is that there is a novel SARS-like virus that appears to target age, illness and physical weakness ie non productive people economically, emergent across the planet. Said virus is almost identical to documented versions of SARS created in labs. One of those documented versions was created by a team including the person running the level four biosecurity facility in Wuhan. That facility is the prime suspect for a lab release (if there was one, either accidental or deliberate) given the virus appeared in Wuhan with timelines that appear to predate the official story of the virus' emergence.

There appears to be a worldwide propaganda campaign that claims the virus is harmless or non existent that seems targeted at aged people, the people who are potentially most vulnerable to the virus and the people with the highest potential economic cost to "society". This is a separate issue to the various totalitarian responses to the virus and is being ignored on this board.

It would certainly appear that this idea that COVID is nothing to worry about is a storyline that certainly pacifies any questioning or investigation into any potential Malthusian inspired release of the virus.

this is actually huge, given Bill Gate's comments on vaccines and population control. When the Virus first came out, I knew it was a lab accident just by watching the actions China took scrubbing down the streets and buildings. You don't do that with the flu, or any other disease that I can think of, except when they sprayed DDT everywhere during the Polio epidemic, which, oddly enough caused more cases of polio like illnesses, but i digress. There was, at the time, published papers by the Chinese Dr. (Zhou?) who assisted in gain of function research into the bat virus, where they mated it with HIV. (These have since disappeared from google, oddly enough). I always thought that the mating with the HIV was one of the reasons this 'novel' virus was so opportunistic, the way Aids used to be, attacking the weakest function in the body. Also of note is that Fauci was responsible for financing the lab in Wuhan, after Obama outlawed the research in the US because it was too dangerous.

I have been 'covided out' of my business, still on the dole and not back to work. People in my state, mostly the liberals, oddly enough, are so scared that if you appear maskless they damn near want to kill you. I've lost friends over asking questions, so, mostly on social media, I'm laying low, although there are times....

at any rate, that's my .02 cents worth. nice to hear from y'all

Way too much monkey business going on for my tastes, and getting harder to get to the truth every day.

[DrEvil]

Prior to 2020, it was not uncommon at all to die of a flu, a cold, or pneumonia when already seriously ill with another illness, such as cancer. The world wasn't turned upside down because of this, was it? You're saying lockdowns are necessary because the terminally ill died of flu-like symptoms?

Insipid argument.

As i've typed before, believe whatever the F you want about what we've experienced since 2020. Good luck with it.

There are reports coming out of India right now are that young people and children are being admitted to hospital and dying at much higher rate than the first wave.

Other reports are saying that isn't true, its just that because more people are infected the number of dead young people and kids is higher tho the proportion remains the same.

Is this "The terminally ill dying of flu-like symptoms"?

Also waiting for an answer as to why asymptomatic cases don't lead to death.

Did you see this?

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Some added perspective on India --

(of course, "confirmed covid deaths" also include deaths by other primary causes)


Correlation? At a minimum, testing positive shortly after taking a shot is not anomalous.



The message managers understand that as the flu has long since left the northern hemisphere they require a fear narrative to sustain the hysteria throughout the summer until the flu season arrives again in late autumn:



The sheep can now go back to their regularly-scheduled programming.

Yes, I typed 'sheep'. Those that subscribe to token narratives deserve no better.

What do you think those graphs mean?

And this - the media... can't trust 'em, eh?




You asked "what do you think those graphs mean", above.

They mean that India is currently on an upswing in their infulenza/flu season, and that the media, as usual, is purposely misleading the public with selective statistics.

What do YOU think it means?

Joe:
Its just another one of your untested assumptions.

Right, Joe. Right.

Flu season in India is at different times in different parts of the country. Srinagar is January-March, so that should be pretty much over by now, and Delhi is July-September, so that hasn't even started.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4193176/

I assume you didn't test your assumptions before claiming it was the flu?

[Belligerent Savant]

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I didn't say that India's numbers are all due to the flu.
You're misreading my point. My point, essentially, is that since flu/influenza numbers are seasonally expected to go up at this time of year for that region, numbers/stats can be manipulated or used to mislead, which is one of the core M.O.s of the past ~year across the board. Of this, there is NO doubt.

I haven't yet read Joe's lengthy post, but i may get to it later. I imagine there may be bits I would agree with, but I also anticipate further misrepresentation of my positions on this topic.

Alwyn: great takes. Happy you chose to rise up from lurk mode and chime in with your perspective.

Alwyn:
I have been 'covided out' of my business, still on the dole and not back to work. People in my state, mostly the liberals, oddly enough, are so scared that if you appear maskless they damn near want to kill you. I've lost friends over asking questions, so, mostly on social media, I'm laying low, although there are times....

Way too much monkey business going on for my tastes, and getting harder to get to the truth every day.

Indeed.

[DrEvil]

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I didn't say that India's numbers are all due to the flu.
You're misreading my point. My point, essentially, is that since flu/influenza numbers are seasonally expected to go up at this time of year for that region, numbers/stats can be manipulated or used to mislead, which is one of the core M.O.s of the past ~year across the board. Of this, there is NO doubt.

This is what you said:

You asked "what do you think those graphs mean", above.

They mean that India is currently on an upswing in their infulenza/flu season, and that the media, as usual, is purposely misleading the public with selective statistics.

What do YOU think it means?

You're pretty clearly stating that the current misery in India is, at least in part, due to flu season and that it's being misrepresented as covid.

You also didn't read my post. They're currently between flu seasons, so how can they be misrepresenting flu cases that don't yet exist?

I haven't yet read Joe's lengthy post, but i may get to it later. I imagine there may be bits I would agree with, but I also anticipate further misrepresentation of my positions on this topic.

Alwyn: great takes. Happy you chose to rise up from lurk mode and chime in with your perspective.

Alwyn:
I have been 'covided out' of my business, still on the dole and not back to work. People in my state, mostly the liberals, oddly enough, are so scared that if you appear maskless they damn near want to kill you. I've lost friends over asking questions, so, mostly on social media, I'm laying low, although there are times....

Way too much monkey business going on for my tastes, and getting harder to get to the truth every day.

Indeed.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Their flu-influenza season is not on the same trajactory as the Northern Hemisphere. Flu/influenza is part of it, among many other factors specific to the region.

I did not indicate covid isn't a factor. What I did say, essentially, is that numbers and statistics are being manipulated, at least in part, to mislead and perpetuate fear.

This is also straying from the larger point on how information is being purposely distorted -- or otherwise outright lies are being told -- on a global scale to push unprecedented measures/mandates and untested experimental 'therapies' on the populace. This to me, is the TOP concern and focus.

Everything needs to be scrutinized. Little will be absolutely clear at this time, perhaps not for several years.

What, exactly, is your position on events since 2020? Is your take that govts/bureaucratic institutions are concerned about the well-being of the elderly? That, given all we know -- what we've witnessed, or have been able to glean historically by these entities after years of case studies, litigation, and/or investigations, let alone the data available since 2020 -- current actions are benevolent in nature? That there aren't other -- greed-based, or culling-based -- factors involved? Or is it that whatever appears malicious is just... unintentional "collateral damage"?

What -- in a broad sentence or two -- is your position on events since 2020? To the extent you're willing to share.

Anyone else is welcome to answer as well, of course.





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[stickdog99]

Proceed with whatever storylines help pacify you. Good luck with it.

The irony of that comment is that there is a novel SARS-like virus that appears to target age, illness and physical weakness ie non productive people economically, emergent across the planet. Said virus is almost identical to documented versions of SARS created in labs. One of those documented versions was created by a team including the person running the level four biosecurity facility in Wuhan. That facility is the prime suspect for a lab release (if there was one, either accidental or deliberate) given the virus appeared in Wuhan with timelines that appear to predate the official story of the virus' emergence.

There appears to be a worldwide propaganda campaign that claims the virus is harmless or non existent that seems targeted at aged people, the people who are potentially most vulnerable to the virus and the people with the highest potential economic cost to "society". This is a separate issue to the various totalitarian responses to the virus and is being ignored on this board.

It would certainly appear that this idea that COVID is nothing to worry about is a storyline that certainly pacifies any questioning or investigation into any potential Malthusian inspired release of the virus.

Thank you for this commentary.

This is a salient point. I agree that COVID-19 was probably lab created. And I suspect that COVID-19 was unleashed on the world's population purposefully.

Furthermore, I agree that many thousands of individuals have very tragically (and probably very criminally) had their lives cut short both by COVID-19 related complications and by authoritarian governmental responses to COVID-19.

I just think that we all need to carefully consider the fact that the age of mortality of supposed COVID-19 victims is basically the normal age of mortality when considering whether certain obviously deleterious authoritarian responses to COVID-19 actually confer more benefit than harm.

Basically, a very real and potentially deadly threat has been overblown in the familiar Shock Doctrine manner to further erode our rights and to further enrich our oligarchs. And IMHO, far too few people have questioned and protested against many clearly deleterious and scientifically unsupportable authoritarian overreaches due to a potent combination of state and corporate propaganda, blind worship of medical "science" experts, inherent fear of disease and mortality, and especially a misguided sense of self-sacrifice as a result of our sincere compassion for others, especially the most vulnerable.

To make an obvious analogy, that real planes actually hit the World Trade Center towers resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent lives does NOT justify a never-ending War on Terror. Our collective acceptance of clearly outsized and clearly detrimental responses to real tragedies can and often cause far more harm than do the real tragedies themselves.

[Belligerent Savant]

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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/no-need ... 1588?amp=1

INDIA: "No Need To Panic": AIIMS Chief, Top Doctors Clear Doubts On Covid Crisis

According to the AIIMS Director, there are 10-15 per cent of people who may witness severe infection and may need extra medicines like Remdesivir, oxygen or plasma.

New Delhi: Covid-19 is a mild disease and there is no need to panic, said AIIMS Director Dr Randeep Guleria on Sunday while addressing issues related to coronavirus with Chairman of Medanta Dr Naresh Trehan, Professor and Head of Department of Medicine AIIMS Dr Naveet Wig and Director General Health Services Dr Sunil Kumar.
"If we talk about the current situation of COVID-19, there is panic in public, Due to this panic, people are putting injections in their houses, hoarding of the Remdesivir drug and oxygen cylinder has started with this. And because of this, we are facing a shortage of supply and unnecessary panic is being created," Mr Guleria said.

He further said, "The COVID-19 infection is a normal infection. 85 to 90 per cent of people are witnessing normal symptoms like fever, cold, body ache, and cough and in these cases, one doesn't need Remdesivir or other large numbers of medicines. You can take medicines for these normal infections or treat yourself with home remedies and yoga. You will back to normal and get well within seven or 10 days. You don't need to put Remdesivir or oxygen in your house."

According to the AIIMS Director, there are 10-15 per cent of people who may witness severe infection and may need extra medicines like Remdesivir, oxygen or plasma. Less than five per cent of patients need to be operated on a ventilator, he informed.

"If we see this data, it shows that there is no need to panic. If one gets a positive report, he/she shouldn't rush to the hospital or get medical oxygen. It's a wrong belief and it will create an unnecessary shortage of oxygen. We need to understand that it is a mild disease and only 10 to 15 per cent cases get severe," he added.

Medanta chairman Dr Trehan said that 90 per cent of COVID patients can recover at home if they are provided with correct medicines on time. "As soon as your RT-PCR report comes positive, my advice would be to consult your local doctor with whom you are in touch. All doctors know the protocol and will begin your treatment accordingly. 90 per cent of patients can recover at home if given correct medicines on time."

[Belligerent Savant]

I just think that we all need to carefully consider the fact that the age of mortality of supposed COVID-19 victims is basically the normal age of mortality when considering whether certain obviously deleterious authoritarian responses to COVID-19 actually confer more benefit than harm.

Basically, a very real and potentially deadly threat has been overblown in the familiar Shock Doctrine manner to further erode our rights and to further enrich our oligarchs. And IMHO, far too few people have questioned and protested against many clearly deleterious and scientifically unsupportable authoritarian overreaches due to a potent combination of state and corporate propaganda, blind worship of medical "science" experts, inherent fear of disease and mortality, and especially a misguided sense of self-sacrifice as a result of our sincere compassion for others, especially the most vulnerable.

To make an obvious analogy, that real planes actually hit the World Trade Center towers resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent lives does justify a never-ending War on Terror. Our collective acceptance of clearly outsized and clearly detrimental responses to real tragedies can and often cause far more harm than do the real tragedies themselves.

Precisely. Well-stated.

[stickdog99]

BelSav wrote:

Irrespective of lab creation, the coordinated actions taken by govts in response (lockdowns, closure of small/mid-sized businesses, suppression of practical treatments, mass distribution of experimental 'vaccines', etc) to a virus that is, indeed, on par or perhaps slightly more virulent than influenza (once the numbers are stripped of misleading/inflated metrics) are more responsible for DEATH and lower-quality of life than the virus itself.

You've repeatedly claimed to not know the real death toll of the virus, but here you claim it's about the same, or slightly worse than the flu (assuming that by 'virulent' you mean 'death toll', otherwise the comparison in meaningless). The flu has statistics going back ages (35K dead on average the last ten years), so now you do have a pretty good idea after all?

Lets say it's like a really bad flu season and put the death toll at 100K. That leaves just under half a million extra dead not accounted for. Can you break down what killed them, or if you believe the number is bogus, can you supply the real one?

Why isn't the onus on those promoting authoritarian overreaches to demonstrate that the projected benefits of these overreaches clearly exceed their projected harms?

For example, why isn't the onus on our governments to demonstrate the clear scientific evidence that suggests that their enforced closures of small businesses, proposed vaccine passports, and outdoor social distancing and mask mandates actually increase rather than lower the average age of mortality for their citizens?