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Postby stickdog99 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:54 pm

Karmamatterz » 11 Jun 2021 16:46 wrote:Thanks for posting that letter.

It was absolutely appropriate and much needed.

In stark contrast to the deleterious effects of this vaccine in our community, we have not had to give any medical care what-so-ever, to anyone with Covid-19. So in our limited experience, this vaccine is quite clearly more dangerous than Covid-19.


Spot on comment from the doctor. If rational minds were at play here in the USA then that very aspect of this entire charade would be addressed.


No, the doctor is a heinous villain for sounding the alarm. You know, because the Great God of Vaccination must be protected against any blaspheming testimony about any specific vaccine's side effects at all costs. Because all vaccines are inherently good by definition, and thus any questioning of any specific vaccine by any medical professional for any reason is a capital crime. Revoke that doctor's license immediately! Because Science!
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Karmamatterz » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:57 pm

So, now "vaccine choice" is anti-vaccination


Oh yes of course! You're also anti-science as well.

You dumb hillbilly. You must live in a Red State! Take off that Maga hat and for crying out loud just go get that jab you dumb sumbitch! Don't forget to enter into the lotto drawing cuz you might win a F-150, a box of donuts or a free beer.

Now shut up slave, and go back to your work and do as you're told. Oh, and damn straight you better get your little brats vaccinated also so they don't kill grandma and their skool teachers. We all know sniveling little brats run around with snotty noses and boogers on their fingers. Damn shame we can't just force them into the vax. That will come, just wait until the mutant variants creep into them boogers and mess them kids up good. Make sure you tell them if they don't get the jab that granny is gonna die!
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:03 pm

Karmamatterz » 11 Jun 2021 16:57 wrote:
So, now "vaccine choice" is anti-vaccination


Oh yes of course! You're also anti-science as well.

You dumb hillbilly. You must live in a Red State! Take off that Maga hat and for crying out loud just go get that jab you dumb sumbitch! Don't forget to enter into the lotto drawing cuz you might win a F-150, a box of donuts or a free beer.

Now shut up slave, and go back to your work and do as you're told. Oh, and damn straight you better get your little brats vaccinated also so they don't kill grandma and their skool teachers. We all know sniveling little brats run around with snotty noses and boogers on their fingers. Damn shame we can't just force them into the vax. That will come, just wait until the mutant variants creep into them boogers and mess them kids up good. Make sure you tell them if they don't get the jab that granny is gonna die!


After everything we all have endured over our lifetimes and especially recently, isn't it surprising that so many people people still believe in the wholly manufactured "conventional wisdom" of our establishment elites enough to do whatever they are told, no questions asked and no data needed?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Karmamatterz » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:07 pm

Surprise? Maybe a little. More like frustration, at least on a personal level. Fear has conditioned people to a great many things.

Fear for:

Loss of their job
Death of self
Death of family member
Loss of income
Illness
Ostracized by neighbors
Losing a medical license
etc...

The result being they choose the path of least fear, even if it's irrational. Even if it's all doublespeak and absolute lies coming out of the mouthes of the creepy politicians, wonks and pseudo journalists on the idiot box screens. It's also easier to justify their obesity and all the illnesses resulting if their is a boogeyman they can blame rather than their own laziness to get off their fat asses and exercise and eat better.

The lockdowns were highly successful, but not at stopping the spread of this "virus." They were successful at inducing trauma. Just as a battered spouse cannot leave the situation, people are STILL right now, still traumatized and believing the garbage they read and hear in the MSM.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:54 pm

Karmamatterz » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:07 pm wrote:Surprise? Maybe a little. More like frustration, at least on a personal level. Fear has conditioned people to a great many things.


That sums most of it right there.

I'm not surprised when observing this in the wild. Up to a few months ago, I was a bit surprised to see it here, at least prominently displayed by -- a majority of? -- the regulars.

Not anymore. The brainwashed -- and yes, that's precisely what they are: brainwashed, and worse, unwilling to even re-assess their stupid views. Holding firm to outright stupidity. Yes, they are stupid. Even smart people can be stupid.

Belligerent Savant » Sun May 09, 2021 1:01 pm wrote:
...the phenomenon makes me think of the essay, The Basic Laws of Stupid People, written by the Italian economic historian Carlo Cipolla.

In this little pearl, Cipolla describes five laws about stupid people that explains a lot of the problems of society. He begins to state that the amount of stupid people are not correlated either to education level or intelligence as defined by IQ; he finds stupid people everywhere, even among nobel prize laureates. What defines stupid people is that their actions lead to bad outcomes as well for themselves as for other people .

Overestimating the dangers of an infection with a mortality rate of around 0.2 percent and at the same time ignoring the massive negative effects of their actions cannot be described in a better way. We have seen a whole generation of children not going to school for over a year; we have seen massive negative economic effects on businesses with the following of unemployment and bankruptcies and we haven't even started to see the full extent of the mental side effects that this will have on the population.

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Postby stickdog99 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:36 pm

Karmamatterz » 11 Jun 2021 18:07 wrote:Surprise? Maybe a little. More like frustration, at least on a personal level. Fear has conditioned people to a great many things.

Fear for:

Loss of their job
Death of self
Death of family member
Loss of income
Illness
Ostracized by neighbors
Losing a medical license
etc...

The result being they choose the path of least fear, even if it's irrational. Even if it's all doublespeak and absolute lies coming out of the mouthes of the creepy politicians, wonks and pseudo journalists on the idiot box screens. It's also easier to justify their obesity and all the illnesses resulting if their is a boogeyman they can blame rather than their own laziness to get off their fat asses and exercise and eat better.

The lockdowns were highly successful, but not at stopping the spread of this "virus." They were successful at inducing trauma. Just as a battered spouse cannot leave the situation, people are STILL right now, still traumatized and believing the garbage they read and hear in the MSM.



Yes, it's a weird combination of PTSD and Stockholm Syndrome.

I had a dream recently that I was on a college campus wading through a hustling and bustling crowd of people who were not wearing any masks. It was basically just like any college campus hotspot before COVID-19, yet I felt incredibly uncomfortable getting jostled by maskless students, and I had to remind myself in the dream that masks don't really work and that in any case it was very unlikely that any of these people had COVID-19. It was a truly bizarre experience to dream of normalcy, yet still have an irrational visceral reaction against it.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:42 pm

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I agree with this:
it's a weird combination of PTSD and Stockholm Syndrome.


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From a California public school teacher:

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None of the covid policies from the past 16 months had anything to do with actual science. We’ve been living through the consequences of a cancerous anti-science that favors models over real data and cites corrupt “experts” or fake “consensus” to justify crimes against humanity.

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Postby stickdog99 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:22 pm

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1

“Vaccine-Induced Covid-19 Mimicry” Syndrome:

Splice reactions within the SARS-CoV-2 Spike open reading frame result in Spike protein variants that may cause thromboembolic events in patients immunized with vector-based vaccines

Eric Kowarz, Lea Krutzke, Jenny Reis, Silvia Bracharz, Stefan Kochanek, Rolf Marschalek

Abstract

During the last months many countries have started the immunization of millions of people by using vector-based vaccines. Unfortunately, severe side effects became overt during these vaccination campaigns: cerebral venous sinus thromboses (CVST), absolutely rare under normal life conditions, were found as a severe side effect that occured 4-14 days after first vaccinations. Besides CVST, Splanchnic Vein Thrombosis (SVT) was also observed. This type of adverse event has not been observed in the clinical studies of AstraZeneca, and therefore led immediately to a halt in vaccinations in several European countries. These events were mostly associated with thrombocytopenia, and thus, similar to the well-known Heparin-induced thrombo­cytopenia (HIT).

Meanwhile, scientists have proposed a mechanism to explain this vaccine-induced thrombocytopenia. However, they do not provide a satisfactory explanation for the late thromboembolic events. Here, we present data that may explain these severe side effects which have been attributed to adenoviral vaccines. According to our results, transcription of wildtype and codon-optimized Spike open reading frames enables alternative splice events that lead to C-terminal truncated, soluble Spike protein variants. These soluble Spike variants may initiate severe side effects when binding to ACE2-expressing endothelial cells in blood vessels. In analogy to the thromboembolic events caused by Spike protein encoded by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, we termed the underlying disease mechanism the “Vaccine-Induced Covid-19 Mimicry” syndrome (VIC19M syndrome).
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:49 am

Leaving aside how afeared and Stockholm Syndrome and PTSD I must be to disagree with the apparent consensus from the main contributors to this thread, I think it worth noting that the reason I posted Mr. Hoffe's letter was to establish a record so people can judge for themselves. Specifically in this case, to compare the actual letter with the representation of it as a regular doctor with no axe to grind writing to local authorities about legitimate medical concerns. Read it how you wish, but in my experience, Charles Hoffe sounds like he is full of shit and has a clear agenda. His website post is clearly not intended to local health authorities, but more of a "virtue signaling" to those who are already deep in the camp of opposition to this vaccine. That doesn't make the vaccine good or bad, but it makes the rhetoric suspect. It's nature is misrepresented by the source from the start calling his website post "formal documentation" when all they have to share is a post from a private website instead of FDA filings or even a PDF of an actual letter or email to someone directly. It's basically a blog post, but it's not a fucking letter to the local board of health or hospital no matter what names are on the masthead before it is posted worldwide.

In my world, small lies beget big lies, and there are too many small lies in this story for me to believe it. That doesn't alone resolve concerns about the efficacy of the vaccine or potential side effects; but it certainly causes me to question the veracity of anything else that person and their cohort says, and that's the frame I'm operating from. Not fear or sheepishness forcing me to stand in line with one side, but very well earned distrust of the other side assuring me I cannot stand with it.
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:17 am

https://forbetterscience.com/2017/08/24/the-costs-of-knowledge-scientists-want-their-cut-on-the-scam/
Experiments with bribing reviewers?

Paying peer reviewers is already practice with certain publishers seeking to explore scientists’ vanity to earn even more cash. Nature Publishing Group (NPG) has been experimenting with this model, where their OA megajournal Scientific Reports briefly offered in 2015 a fast-track peer review, outsourced to an external service provider Research Square, who recruited and paid the reviewers. Authors were invited to pay €750 for a promise of decision within 3 weeks. Under heavy criticism, the experiment was stopped at 25 manuscript submissions (out of 40 scheduled, with no word if all 25 were accepted or how satisfied NPG was with the review quality), and never resumed since.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:35 am

OK, great. Let's concede that you have managed to cast doubt on the messengers. Would you care to address any of their messages?

Seriously. I am still looking for the data that show that the benefits of wearing masks, locking down cities, closing schools, and injecting hundreds of millions (including kids) with experimental vaccines during an ongoing pandemic clearly exceed the costs and risks.

Do you have any of these data to share?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby The Bernician » Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:03 am

So, here in the UK, the traditional weekend briefing of 'with a heavy heart...' is happening. The pattern: restrictions - promise of salvation - briefing that all's going well - briefing that it's not - restrictions. It's been present throughout, I believe. Driven by 'behavioural scientists'.

A few data points:
- Euro 2020 (I presume they didn't change the data in order to fuck with us a tiny bit more - I mean, why not?) started last night, and I've never seen the place so flat ahead of what is normally the closest we get to any kind of national 'moment'. I have seen no flags on display whatsoever (save for a lone Turkish one). Really unusual. (And, of course, Euro 2020 brings domestic vaccine passports in to active use.)
- There are so many free lateral flow tests knocking around that local authorities are going door-to-door and park-to-park in some areas to hand them out. Yet apparently the US FDA has just warned against their use.
- The variants are the problem, and the risk is that they (a) will lead to 'cases' among the unvaccinated, and (b) portend future, more extreme mutations among the same group. Now, this seems pretty anti-scientific (personally, the only mutation-worry I have is that the more people are vaccinated, the higher the risk of leaky vaccines leading to mutations, as with Marek's disease in hens), but it links for me with one of the two places I'm trying to go with this.

1. The best fit to the data of the last 18 months is that anxiety is the whole purpose. This, in turn, is the best fit for the mask phenomenon: we can't see human faces; those of us who wear masks feel a little hot, a little deoxygenated, a little aware of the non-normalness of his; they are, of course, a visual reminder all around us. Testing serves this end also - both in the obvious sense of statistic creation, but also with 'Operation Moonshot' - the idea that there should be a test before any significant social interaction. Even I, who have never been tested and will only be if and when I'm forced to be, find myself wondering if (a) I should offer to test myself before meeting someone particularly anxious, or (b) if they'll ask me. A English tournament summer where no flags are flown in advance is another small symptom, I think.

2. I don't know where this is all going, and I don't speculate or theorise too much. Architects for Social Housing have some good Marxist analysis about this as being - essentially - the combined death and birth throes of two capitalist epochs. If data is the new raw material of capitalism, then vaccine passports and endless DNA from nasal swabs would fit fairly well. The timing - if 2007/8 is 1929 - fits reasonably well. What I feel relatively confident of, though, is that we'll need an enemy. I've wondered on this - identity politics and 'liberal' virtue signalling have (to me) fairly clearly served the purpose of divide-and-rule within the exploited classes. (To be clear: I strongly support racial, disability, gender, etc. equality, as well as speaking kindly to fellow humans; but I do not support how they have been politicised.) The Chinese or Russians could be our more-than-rhetorical enemies, but the relationship with the former is so symbiotic, and potential war so destructive, that I have my doubts. (Although one could make the opposite case; but it seems like destruction has been achieved from within instead.) So the obvious thing to do is to create an anti-woke enemy within. And who better than the selfish, anti-science unvaccinated? Albeit there is the problem to be resolved that so many of them are just so damned... black (and Asian, here; the 'Indian' variant that was predominantly reported as hitting South Asian communities might help with that one), but scarcely an insurmountable one. I avoid the audio-visual elements of the media assiduously, but I did see a newspaper front page in the supermarket last month that did send an actual shiver down my spine:

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*I haven't figured this out at all, so in case the image doesn't load, the headline is a Daily Mail one, saying: NOW VACCINE REFUSENIKS THREATEN FREEDOM, and the date is 18 May. The Mail has been a strange mix throughout all of this - the paper most willing to publish somewhat sceptical articles, but also sometimes its usual hateful self. Not sure exactly what's going on there.

Unusually for this type of speculative thinking, we're likely to get some information relatively soon with some kind of truth-value to it. In the first instance, we shall see who acts as a vector for the frustrations and anger of the population when 'freedom day' is cancelled ('postponed') - the government, or the unvaccinated. (Either way, of course, it will be internalised among many of the traumatised.)
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby The Bernician » Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:05 am

stickdog99 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:35 am wrote:OK, great. Let's concede that you have managed to cast doubt on the messengers. Would you care to address any of their messages?

Seriously. I am still looking for the data that show that the benefits of wearing masks, locking down cities, closing schools, and injecting hundreds of millions (including kids) with experimental vaccines during an ongoing pandemic clearly exceed the costs and risks.

Do you have any of these data to share?


I'd like to second that. I've asked for counter-arguments in real life, in a spirit of genuine inquiry from those I thought would be receptive to that, and been met with less-than-positive responses. I'd genuinely love to hear actual, reasoned arguments for any of the above, because it's really important to me not to fall into a wormhole of hearing only reinforcing views. But I haven't encountered much of this stuff out in the world.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:06 am

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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1403 ... 66913.html


@PhilHollowayEsq

BREAKING: Green v. Alachua County. #MaskMandates are "presumptively unconstitutional" under Florida law

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Here’s a link to the entire opinion. The bottom line, any mask mandate must serve a compelling state interest and be narrowly tailored to serve that need. To meet this standard, strong evidence that #masks are effective would need to be presented.

https://alachuachronicle.com/green-v-al ... of-appeal/

Judge Tanenbaum refers to #maskmandates as "diktat" and says "The threat of government-sponsored shaming was not an idle one"

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Plaintiff "reasonably could expect autonomy over his body, including his face, which means that he was correct to claim an entitlement to be let alone and free from intrusion by Alachua County’s commission chairman" and the #maskmandate

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“even in a pandemic, the Constitution cannot be put away and forgotten...And there is this warning from William Pitt the Younger...paraphrasing a similar sentiment in...Paradise Lost: “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.”

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