9/11 As Mega-Ritual

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Re: 9/11 As Mega-Ritual

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:39 am

Handsome B. Wonderful wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:I'm sure terror futures is still happening in some form somewhere.


I really thoight it was going to happen at the London olympics. But nothing happened. It seemed to be more symbolic or ritualistic?

I never really understood 9/11 as an inside job from a purely logistical viewpoint or militaristic one. Simply because it didn't make sense. Yes it led to an invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Money was made and oil was begotten and the opium flowed. But, there was something more elusive about what happened on Sept. 11, 2001 that was more than prosaic. There did seem to be a more esoteric meaning behind it. Reading S.K. Bain's book really opened it up to me. It helped me understand it more, even if Bain doesn't really make a point, it does help me make more sense out of it.


I began to think that the "inside job" posit regarding 9/11 was in itself kind of a cover or distraction. People who aggressively push the CIA/Silverstein/Cheney/Bush/Pentagon planners orchestrated 9/11 often can't seem to explain Bojinka, WTC 1993, the killing of Rabbi Meir Khahane, Dar-es-Salaam/Nairobi, USS Cole, Ramzi Yousef. I mean so, like Rumsfeld and Bush concocted 9/11 in some bunker, made sure al-Gore lost and then in nine months somehow made 9/11 happen...with jihadis in "will" videos taking credit? The Inside Job(tm) theory makes no sense. I know if I was behind the event I wouldn't want Rumsfeld or those clowns in on it.

So was it clown robber #1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 behind the robbery of Gotham's bank?


It's just a little scary thinking who the joker may be. If you have a sick sense of humor, just think of 9/11 as a really avant garde performance art piece. When you place your hand on one of the twisted husks of the columns, often on display in podunk traveling state fairs or exhibits, you can almost glimpse a sense of the dread and horror.

Not sure if Dubya is worked through or just has moments of scary cogency, but this could not be truer.

The hijackers were instruments of evil who died in vain. Behind them is a cult of evil that seeks to harm the innocent and thrives on human suffering. Theirs is the worst kind of cruelty, the cruelty that is fed, not weakened, by tears. Theirs is the worst kind of violence, pure malice while daring to claim the authority of God. We cannot fully understand the designs and power of evil; it is enough to know that evil, like a goodness, exists. And in the terrorists evil has found a willing servant." The cruelty that is "fed, not weakened, by tears
- George W Bush, 2001

The holocaust, WW2, 9/11, the endless horror show in Iraq. There's clear political and human hands behind these things. But if one say, got off or fed on death and chaos for death and chaos sake...well
these sort of events would be like a kid in a candy store.
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Re: 9/11 As Mega-Ritual

Postby hanshan » Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:39 pm

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8bitagent:
If you have a sick sense of humor, just think of 9/11 as a really avant garde performance art piece.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Stockhausen#11_September_attacks

The same journalist then asked how the events of 11 September had affected him, and how he viewed reports of the attack in connection with the harmony of humanity represented in Hymnen. He answered:

Well, what happened there is, of course—now all of you must adjust your brains—the biggest work of art there has ever been. The fact that spirits achieve with one act something which we in music could never dream of, that people practise ten years madly, fanatically for a concert. And then die. [Hesitantly.] And that is the greatest work of art that exists for the whole Cosmos. Just imagine what happened there. There are people who are so concentrated on this single performance, and then five thousand people are driven to Resurrection. In one moment. I couldn't do that. Compared to that, we are nothing, as composers. [...] It is a crime, you know of course, because the people did not agree to it. They did not come to the "concert". That is obvious. And nobody had told them: "You could be killed in the process." (Stockhausen 2002, 76–77.)


At the press conference in Hamburg, I was asked if Michael, Eve and Lucifer were historical figures of the past and I answered that they exist now, for example Lucifer in New York. In my work, I have defined Lucifer as the cosmic spirit of rebellion, of anarchy. He uses his high degree of intelligence to destroy creation. He does not know love. After further questions about the events in America, I said that such a plan appeared to be Lucifer's greatest work of art. Of course I used the designation "work of art" to mean the work of destruction personified in Lucifer. In the context of my other comments this was unequivocal. (Stockhausen 2001a)



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Re: 9/11 As Mega-Ritual

Postby Julian the Apostate » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:01 pm

hanshan wrote:...


8bitagent:
If you have a sick sense of humor, just think of 9/11 as a really avant garde performance art piece.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Stockhausen#11_September_attacks

The same journalist then asked how the events of 11 September had affected him, and how he viewed reports of the attack in connection with the harmony of humanity represented in Hymnen. He answered:

Well, what happened there is, of course—now all of you must adjust your brains—the biggest work of art there has ever been. The fact that spirits achieve with one act something which we in music could never dream of, that people practise ten years madly, fanatically for a concert. And then die. [Hesitantly.] And that is the greatest work of art that exists for the whole Cosmos. Just imagine what happened there. There are people who are so concentrated on this single performance, and then five thousand people are driven to Resurrection. In one moment. I couldn't do that. Compared to that, we are nothing, as composers. [...] It is a crime, you know of course, because the people did not agree to it. They did not come to the "concert". That is obvious. And nobody had told them: "You could be killed in the process." (Stockhausen 2002, 76–77.)


At the press conference in Hamburg, I was asked if Michael, Eve and Lucifer were historical figures of the past and I answered that they exist now, for example Lucifer in New York. In my work, I have defined Lucifer as the cosmic spirit of rebellion, of anarchy. He uses his high degree of intelligence to destroy creation. He does not know love. After further questions about the events in America, I said that such a plan appeared to be Lucifer's greatest work of art. Of course I used the designation "work of art" to mean the work of destruction personified in Lucifer. In the context of my other comments this was unequivocal. (Stockhausen 2001a)



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I tend to somewhat agree with his description of Lucifer. But I do wonder where our collective understanding of Lucifer as a rebellious angel and sometimes the same as Satan has come from. It's not really from the bible, except for that one passage in Isaiah which rather dubiously equates him with the hubris of the king of Babylon. Milton made him one of the antagonists of Paradise Lost and that seems to be where most of this view comes from. Again I am not disagreeing with the characterization, just wondering where it came from.
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Re: 9/11 As Mega-Ritual

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:53 pm

Wow, that Stockhausen is...mind blown. ha.

Another take on 9/11, from artist Paul Laffoley
http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/2013/01 ... ound-zero/

also excerpt from "The Mad One", a documentary about his life and his interest in the occult, art, and strange ideas about the world trade center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 699SGLuJkA


Anyways, when it comes down to this twin tower of Babel riddle mystery called 9 1 1, aint noone know nuffin. Not I, nor you nor anyone. It's Babel. The way however, the event had been carefully woven into
our collective subconscious and dreams over the years and decades is fascinating...like it was given from the beyond. Perhaps Ramzi Yousef was just as "inspired" by the poison as an artist tapping into something fierce
or a movie writer almost unknowingly putting the twin tower motif into his explosive work.
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Re: 9/11 As Mega-Ritual

Postby Hammer of Los » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:01 am

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Lucifer bright star.

Morning Star.

Evening Star.

Venus.

Aphrodite.

Perelandra.

Sometimes Mercury.

Hermes.

Light Bringer!

Light Bearer!

The one who bears th'illuminating stone upon his brow.

Earendil!

Elessar!

Elf Stone!

Half Elven!

The Bringer of Illumination.

The Evolutionary Drive.

The Urge to Ascend.

The Desire to Transcend.

The Upward Impetus.

Defiant Intellect.

Rebel Angel.

The Way Shower.

The Way Farer.

The Eternal Journeyman.

The Sailor on the Sea of Life.

The Fallen Redeemed.

The Great God Pan.

The Running Amok.

The Crying Havok.

The Wrecker.

The Leveller.

The Equaliser.

Mind of Man.

Great Guru.

A matchstick!

While there's a Lucifer to light your fag,
Smile boys, that's the style.


R I Elf U C.

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Re: 9/11 As Mega-Ritual

Postby Julian the Apostate » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:04 pm

Hammer of Los wrote:...

Lucifer bright star.

Morning Star.

Evening Star.

Venus.

Aphrodite.

Perelandra.

Sometimes Mercury.

Hermes.

Light Bringer!

Light Bearer!

The one who bears th'illuminating stone upon his brow.

Earendil!

Elessar!

Elf Stone!

Half Elven!

The Bringer of Illumination.

The Evolutionary Drive.

The Urge to Ascend.

The Desire to Transcend.

The Upward Impetus.

Defiant Intellect.

Rebel Angel.

The Way Shower.

The Way Farer.

The Eternal Journeyman.

The Sailor on the Sea of Life.

The Fallen Redeemed.

The Great God Pan.

The Running Amok.

The Crying Havok.

The Wrecker.

The Leveller.

The Equaliser.

Mind of Man.

Great Guru.

A matchstick!

While there's a Lucifer to light your fag,
Smile boys, that's the style.


R I Elf U C.

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It seems like the modern conception of Lucifer owes much more to Loki in Norse mythology than to anything in the Biblical traditions.
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Re: 9/11 As Mega-Ritual

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:58 am

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I put that in the wrong thread!

I always make a little mistake.

Loki?

Funny you should mention that.

I wanted to edit my post above.

Too late, I guess.

I got a part II for that post above, but I got stuff to do.

Ya know, poems n childcare n housewifey stuff.

More later, maybe.

But I'm thinkin'.

Wonder worker worthy hire.

The masons are patrons of the arts, eh?

How about a poetry commission?

I might just tell you some secrets.

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