Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:49 am

parel » Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:11 am wrote:
Jerky » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:31 am wrote:
kool maudit » 04 Sep 2015 12:58 wrote:This crisis marks an interesting development in the coverage of humanitarian catastrophe: it is being treated as a natural disaster. The refugees are running from a force of nature rather than policy and the only question is how Europeans will respond.

It is sort of a new paternalism, a tacit acceptance of the fact that we can somehow leave the policy and geopolitical decisions that create such crises alone so long as we in the West are Good People when it all gets too desperate.

I have not heard the name "Assad" once, not even "ISIS".

"Nobody knows what happened! They just started coming! This is a test from God to be dutiful and kind..."

It's a sort of progressive fatalism.


Are you aware of the full history of the crisis? It IS a climate-based crisis at its core.

This is as good an explanation as I've yet to find. And it's a comic!

http://www.upworthy.com/trying-to-follo ... -5-minutes


Syria is at war because of CLIMATE CHANGE? Sorry, Jerky but where's the bit about the USG and the Saudis arming the terrorists? Or the fact that the majority of Syrians currently support Assad? The title is false, because it says it will tell us what IS going on in Syria, not what happened between 2006 and 2011.

Anyone interested in Syria should follow this guy. He has been researching the crisis since 2011 and went with a peace delegation to Syria in 2013.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrian ... ad/5405208


This http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrian ... ad/5405208

does not negate this http://www.upworthy.com/trying-to-follo ... -5-minutes
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Sounder » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:22 pm

Excerpt from rune soup…..
My mind goes immediately to that theatre of war everyone in mainstream media has not been talking about. My mind goes to the former Japanese minister who said the Americans caused their most recent tsunami with a geo-engineering weapon. My mind goes to the string of highly suspicious earthquakes and droughts in Iran. My mind goes to the 1970s admission of both the CIA and American Air Force that their goal is to ‘own the weather’. My mind goes to the World Economic Forum agendas of recent years that discuss rogue geoengineering. My mind goes to this complete asshole, who is the home-grown, home-brand Australian equivalent of skinny former-defence-contractors-in-bow-ties who show up on controlled media to dispense teh scienze.

“I’m suspicious, [cleaner’s name], of these weather patterns. I find them suspicious. The same thing happens everywhere the Americans want to go to war.” My cleaner pauses. She unshoulders her bag. “James, let me tell you… growing up… I have seen everything. I no like Russia but I like Russians. I no like America but I like Americans. Of course they do this. I have seen everything. I have seen spies from this side and that side. I have seen alien spies who look like human spies (Gordon: told you we would have been mates!). I have seen everything. Everyone at father’s party know… this is not normal. This is Americans. Everyone say.”

Rory wrote…
I didn't know there was unseasonal, extended dry weather in Central Eastern Europe this past couple of years. It piqued my interest because I was thinking of Syria when I read it. And I live in Southern California where we've enjoyed the most historical of dry periods (since records began). Climate Change could be a useful cover to bullshit certain topics out of further discussion.

I am a bit surprised you would bring this up Rory, but am glad you did. Thanks. At some point people must get tired of living in propaganda soup.

If the military can manipulate weather, then AGW theory and military strategy is a match in hell.

But barring weather manipulation, the following would seem to be the more significant contributor to current refugee issues.


When societies get broken down by the likes these well compensated useful idiots, who sound on the surface like such beautiful and progressive folk, Soros and his ilk get to step in and rearrange asset structures. These (very nice people) are intentionally creating the refugee crisis, to make money.

http://govtslaves.info/lebanon-protest- ... apparatus/

In the case of the You Stink! Movement, those connections are becoming increasingly visible.

Assadd Thebian is represented as one of the leaders of the You Stink! Movement by a number of Western press outlets and, in the Lebanese Press outlet, the Daily Star, he is described as being the “co-founder” of You Stink! Yet, far from being a truly organic Lebanese revolutionary, Thebian is closely connected to the United States Department of State.
Thebian is a participant in the Middle East Partnership Initiative, a program directed by the US State Department for the purposes of directing NGOs in foreign countries in order to facilitate US foreign policy. In other words the MEPI is yet another program and initiative in the color revolution apparatus.

MEPI was created in December 2002 by the State Department. Its creation was announced in a speech by Secretary of State Colin Powell to the Heritage Foundation in Washington D.C. Powell stated that MEPI was an initiative that was to bear fruit over the long-term, not merely 3-5 years. It was created to help pick up the slack in areas where USAID was not able to fully service. Although it was initially dependent upon USAID for support, MEPI has taken off on its own as a formidable color revolution organization.

The same year as its creation, Liz Cheney, daughter of Dick Cheney, was appointed as supervisor of MEPI per her position as U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary For Near Eastern Affairs. Under Cheney’s direction, MEPI engaged in teaching methods designed to “train Arab journalists” and “teach children,” presumably in the benefits of US Foreign Policy as well as encourage nations within MEPI’s sphere of influence to sign various Free Trade agreements with the United States and move toward a Middle Eastern Free Trade Zone.

How many more refugees are yet to be created because we as a global community do not have the will or discrimination to find out what is really driving this madness?
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby parel » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:55 pm

gnosticheresy_2 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:49 am wrote:
parel » Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:11 am wrote:
Jerky » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:31 am wrote:
kool maudit » 04 Sep 2015 12:58 wrote:This crisis marks an interesting development in the coverage of humanitarian catastrophe: it is being treated as a natural disaster. The refugees are running from a force of nature rather than policy and the only question is how Europeans will respond.

It is sort of a new paternalism, a tacit acceptance of the fact that we can somehow leave the policy and geopolitical decisions that create such crises alone so long as we in the West are Good People when it all gets too desperate.

I have not heard the name "Assad" once, not even "ISIS".

"Nobody knows what happened! They just started coming! This is a test from God to be dutiful and kind..."

It's a sort of progressive fatalism.


Are you aware of the full history of the crisis? It IS a climate-based crisis at its core.

This is as good an explanation as I've yet to find. And it's a comic!

http://www.upworthy.com/trying-to-follo ... -5-minutes


Syria is at war because of CLIMATE CHANGE? Sorry, Jerky but where's the bit about the USG and the Saudis arming the terrorists? Or the fact that the majority of Syrians currently support Assad? The title is false, because it says it will tell us what IS going on in Syria, not what happened between 2006 and 2011.

Anyone interested in Syria should follow this guy. He has been researching the crisis since 2011 and went with a peace delegation to Syria in 2013.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrian ... ad/5405208


This http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrian ... ad/5405208

does not negate this http://www.upworthy.com/trying-to-follo ... -5-minutes


I know. But the hostilities began in earnest in 2011. I am not trying to negate the climate change theory, but we in the west really need to own this shit. Jerky's comment with the post would have been a more accurate headline than the one in the comic. It all makes for a perfect storm I guess. But what irritates me is the lack of mention of Western involvement.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby DrEvil » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:01 pm

Jerky » Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:31 am wrote:
kool maudit » 04 Sep 2015 12:58 wrote:This crisis marks an interesting development in the coverage of humanitarian catastrophe: it is being treated as a natural disaster. The refugees are running from a force of nature rather than policy and the only question is how Europeans will respond.

It is sort of a new paternalism, a tacit acceptance of the fact that we can somehow leave the policy and geopolitical decisions that create such crises alone so long as we in the West are Good People when it all gets too desperate.

I have not heard the name "Assad" once, not even "ISIS".

"Nobody knows what happened! They just started coming! This is a test from God to be dutiful and kind..."

It's a sort of progressive fatalism.


Are you aware of the full history of the crisis? It IS a climate-based crisis at its core.

This is as good an explanation as I've yet to find. And it's a comic!

http://www.upworthy.com/trying-to-follo ... -5-minutes


Agreed. Here's a more in-depth look (about the Arab spring, not Syria specifically): http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ab-spring/



Thank you. It all makes sense now. :thumbsup
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby parel » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:52 pm


Former Professor Max Barnhart gives some legal context for the current Syrian refugee crisis.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby conniption » Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:28 am

Comments from the Kremlin Stooge blog. Link
Do check out the linked articles at MoA and off-guardian in the second comment by Jen ...


Jen says:
September 5, 2015 at 2:53 pm

I read the Ron Paul Institute article and my impression is that he sniffs something suspicious about the way in which the refugees are being shunted into Europe, almost as if someone (the Erdogan government maybe) is turning a tap on and off, pouring refugees onto countries least able to house and feed them, and providing an excuse for future austerity programs imposed on poorer EU members should these programs fail (as they will). It’s almost as if the US is preparing an all-out strike on Syria with its various allies to get rid of Bashar al Assad but doesn’t want the inconvenience of civilians still there to cloud its invasion, given the way it has messed up in post-Baathist Iraq and post-Gadhafi Libya.

The other possibility is that Erdogan is forcing Syrian and Iraqi refugees to go into Europe as revenge on the EU for denying Turkey admission into the EU, because some member countries did not want a Muslim-majority country to join and wanted the EU to be some sort of new Holy Roman Empire, preserving Catholic values. As far as I know, the refugees are coming through Turkey and going into Greece, not launching off into boats going towards Cyprus or Crete. Is it not possible Turkish authorities are telling the refugees to go to Germany or Austria? It seems most of the refugees want to go to either of those countries when they reach Hungary.

The Moon of Alabama blog has raised the same issue, that refugees from Syria and Iraq are being deliberately shunted into southeastern Europe.

Jen says:
September 5, 2015 at 3:37 pm

Just ducked over to MoA now where he has a new article stating that the flood of refugees from Turkey, where they have been staying for months (and several years for some people, where they may have been subjected to ISIS brainwashing), was deliberately opened up by Merkel herself. The media campaign, arguing for a no-fly-zone over Syria, was planned in advance: Western journalists have been following the refugees all the way from Turkey into Hungary, almost as if they knew in advance where the refugees would turn up, including areas where the refugees would have to walk through remote forest. The idea is to browbeat Europeans into supporting an invasion of Syria.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/09/un ... syria.html

The comments forum is full of comments noting the increased diplomacy among Jordan and Saudi Arabia in courting Putin and egging him to stop supporting Syria, and among Australia and other Western countries in drumming up support for bombing and deposing Assad. The comments also note the upsurge in anti-Assad propaganda in Western media, with Off-guardian.org noting that two articles advocating for a no-fly-zone over Syria and bombing the country appearing one after the other within a week.

http://off-guardian.org/2015/09/04/the- ... -refugees/

One interesting comment over at MoA says that as soon as winter begins, the refugee flow will stop like magic, and that will be when the UK and France suddenly decide to open their doors to the refugees.

Fern says:
September 5, 2015 at 9:09 pm

Jen, interesting comments. I think Moon of Alabama and Ron Paul are correct – there is something very odd about this sudden, huge surge in refugee/migrant numbers and the media campaign covering it. No-one, as far as I can see in the western MSM is trying to identify clearly where the refugees are coming from – how many from Syria directly, how many from camps set up for Syrians in Turkey? The parents of the two drowned little boys, for example, had apparently being living in Turkey for over a year. If large number are indeed coming from Turkey, why has the EU not asked the country to better control its borders? Neither is the WMSM commenting on the very large numbers of what appear to be single young men amongst the refugees. Turkey has provided ‘R and R’ camps for many of the anti-Assad fighters of various Islamist complexions and their families so it’s more than likely that some of these folk are amongst the refugees. Then there’s Merkel’s generous offer to host the refugees. Or, more accurately, to give asylum to only Syrian refugees. And then there’s clearly staged incidents which the media luckily happens to be on hand to record. One is the family jumping on train tracks which MoA highlights; another is a group of children and young people filmed with fists pumping the air shouting ‘Allu Akhbar’ – who set that up, I wonder?

Meanwhile, the media in the UK is ramping up the line that ‘we’ need to intervene in Syria against both ISIS and Assad to ‘help’ the refugees. At the same time, the US is clearly panicking that the game-changing rumours of increased Russian military involvement in Syria might have some substance to them with Kerry ‘warning’ Lavrov against ‘destabilising’ the situation (the job of the US and its regional allies).

I suspect there’s a deeply cynical US/NATO game in play here with Turkey actively creating the conditions that’s led to this sudden outflow of refugees precisely to get public opinion in Europe, panicked by what seems astronomical numbers of people who have to be housed, fed, found jobs, school places, given medical care etc, behind military actions that will aim to destroy what remains of the Syrian state.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby coffin_dodger » Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:37 am

Migrant crisis: Why the Gulf states are not letting Syrians in BBC News 7 sep 2015

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34173139


Quite the apologist for the Gulf States, is the BBC.

And of course, as usual, the last line of the article (the one that stays with you upon completion of reading) is the real message:

"Furthermore, Gulf elites feel this mess would never have happened in the first place had the West done something sooner to deal with Mr Assad and his regime. Pleas from Western diplomats are likely to fall on deaf ears."
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby tapitsbo » Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:41 pm

So the Gulf elites weren't capable of handling their issue on their own, then.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:59 pm

hey how about carving up some arbitrary boarders and giving the Syrian refugees their own brand new country to live in...anybody want to donate?
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby tapitsbo » Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:22 pm

giving Syria back to its elected government, you mean? That sounds like a great idea.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:35 pm

seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:59 pm wrote:hey how about carving up some arbitrary boarders and giving the Syrian refugees their own brand new country to live in...anybody want to donate?


Deja vu all over again :)
Ironically, the Israelis could have a huge positive publicity coup by welcoming anti-ISIS Syrians into the Golan Heights, which I believe already has a 50% Syrian population...
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:47 pm

Searcher08 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:35 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:59 pm wrote:hey how about carving up some arbitrary boarders and giving the Syrian refugees their own brand new country to live in...anybody want to donate?


Deja vu all over again :)
Ironically, the Israelis could have a huge positive publicity coup by welcoming anti-ISIS Syrians into the Golan Heights, which I believe already has a 50% Syrian population...


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our good buddy Vladdie could come to the rescue :)
Putin says Syria’s president is ready for elections, compromise

Russian President Vladimir Putin, right, shakes hands with his Syrian counterpart, Bashar al-Assad, at the Kremlin in 2006. Russia has been a longtime ally of Assad. (Mikhail Klimentyev/AP)
By Hugh Naylor September 4
BEIRUT — Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is ready to hold parliamentary elections and share power with a “healthy opposition” to end the country’s devastating civil war.

Russia has been a key backer of Assad during the four-year-old conflict, which has killed 250,000 people, displaced millions and empowered the Islamic State and other extremist groups. Putin’s remarks come amid a burst of diplomacy over the war, as well as concern in Washington that Russia is increasing its military support to the Syrian government.

Speaking in the eastern Russian port city of Vladivostok, Putin said that countering “terrorism” in Syria — a term used by Assad’s government to describe the country’s rebels — “should go together with a certain political process” to halt the conflict.

“And the Syrian president, by the way, agrees with that, all the way down to holding early elections, let’s say, to the parliament, establishing contacts with the so-called healthy opposition, bringing them into governing,” the Russian leader said.

There was no immediate comment from Syrian officials on ­Putin’s remarks. And the Russian president did not specify any groups among Syria’s fragmented and weak opposition that would share power with Assad.

Most of Assad’s Syrian opponents demand the leader’s ouster as part of any solution to the war. Russia and Iran, which is also a backer of Assad, reject that.

Meanwhile, officials in Washington have expressed concern over unverified reports of increasing Russian military support to Assad’s forces, including possible troop deployments. This week, images posted to a Twitter account linked to Syria’s al-Qaeda affiliate purported to show advanced aircraft, including a Russian fighter jet and drone, flying over the northwestern province of Idlib.

Russia operates a naval base on Syria’s coast and has provided the Assad government with vital military and logistical support in fighting the rebellion.

“Any military support to the Assad regime for any purpose — whether it is in the form of military personnel, aircraft supplies, weapons or funding — is both destabilizing and counterproductive,” White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Thursday.

The United States is leading a coalition that is carrying out airstrikes against the Islamic State in its strongholds in Syria and Iraq. Russia does not support the coalition’s actions in Syria because U.S. officials do not coordinate attacks with the Assad government.

But even as divisions over Assad persist, Russian officials and their counterparts in the West and in Arab countries have recently engaged in a flurry of diplomacy over how to end the Syrian war.

Analysts say the meetings and discussions have been driven by mutual alarm over the rise of extremist groups in Syria, especially the Islamic State, which may control half of Syria’s territory. Adding to this concern have been significant territorial losses suffered by forces loyal to Assad, whose grip on power shows signs of slipping.

Russia has been at the forefront of the diplomatic frenzy. The meetings have involved Iranian leaders and officials from countries that oppose Assad, such as the United States and Saudi Arabia, which supports Syria’s al­-Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra.

Still, there appears to be mostly pessimism over the prospects of this diplomatic activity because of persistent differences over the Syrian leader’s fate.

Last month, the head of the opposition Syrian National Coalition said after a meeting in Moscow with Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov that the “Russian leadership isn’t clinging to Bashar Assad.”

In comments earlier this week, however, Lavrov dismissed any such speculation. He described Assad as a leader who is “legitimate because he is an elected president of a U.N. member state.”
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:56 pm

tapitsbo » Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:22 pm wrote:giving Syria back to its elected government, you mean? That sounds like a great idea.



we died on your shores

SEPTEMBER 4, 2015

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Regime Change Refugees: On the Shores of Europe
by VIJAY PRASHAD

Terrible pictures arrive onto social media of refugees from Syria and elsewhere, washed up on the shores of Europe. One in particular is particularly ghastly – the body of young Aylan Kurdi. He was only three. He was from the Syrian town of Kobane, now made famous as the frontline of the battle between ISIS and the Kurdish militias (largely the YPG and PKK). Aylan Kurdi’s body lay in a fetal position. Few dry eyes could turn away from that photograph.

The Jordanian cartoonist Rafat Alkhateeb drew an image of Aylan Kurdi. The infant’s body lies on the other side of a barbed wire fence that separates him from the continents of the world.


Children like Aylan Kurdi are disposable in the world’s imagination. Untold thousands of Syrian children have died in this conflict. Tens of thousands of children die in conflicts around the world. The United Nations estimates that half of all deaths in conflict zones are of children. In 1995, UNICEF reported that two million children had died in conflicts over the previous decade. The rate has not decreased. The statistic harms the consciousness. But it is the picture of Aylan Kurdi that has unsettled our ethics – does the world really care about the damage done to children as a result of war and diabolical trade policies? The evidence suggests that the world does not care at all. What care there is comes in the brief instance when we glance at a photograph such as that of the dead body of Aylan Kurdi. He breaks our heart. But he will do little to change our politics.

The West believes that it is acceptable for it to intervene to influence the political economy of the Third World – to force IMF-driven “reforms” on these states. Capital is allowed be borderless. That freedom does not apply to labour – to people. Migration is forbidden. It is hateful. Racist ideas allow fortresses to be built against the natural movement of people. Barbed wire fences and concentration camp towers outline the US-Mexico border, just as such fences and the Mediterranean Moat block the passage into Europe. If Capital destroys the society here, its people cannot be allowed to migrate there.

The West believes that it is acceptable for it to overthrow governments and bomb its enemies in the lands of the Third World. It sees this as the limit of its humanitarianism. It calls this humanitarian interventionism or, in the language of the UN, “responsibility to protect” (R2P). When it breaks states, as it did in Libya, the West takes no responsibility for the broken lives of the people in those zones. Bombs are borderless. But war refugees must stand in queues and be held in concentration camps. They are not allowed freedom of movement.

Hypocrisy is central to elite Western ethics. It uses words like “freedom” and “equality” but mostly means its opposite. The freedom of human beings and equality between human beings is not relevant. More important is the freedom of Money. It is Money that cannot have its liberty impinged.

Both Europe and the United States want to build walls to prevent the free movement of people. The Statue of Liberty in New York harbor bears the words, “Give me your tired, your poor; your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” This is Emma Lazarus’ poem from 1883. No longer do these words make sense. There is no exhortation to send the tired, the poor, the huddled masses to safety. There is mostly the State-led jingoism that sets up barriers and threatens deportations. The more appropriate song is by Woody Guthrie, Deportee, from 1961: “They chase us like outlaws, like rustlers, like thieves. We died in your hills, we died in your deserts, we died in your valleys and died on your plains.” He would have added, we died on your shores.

Such toxic lineages are not alone. There is also the people’s ethics – banners in Germany unfurled at football games to welcome refugees, convoys of ordinary British nations to Calais (France) to help feed and clothe the refugees, demonstrations of radical internationalists in Eastern Europe against the neo-fascists and the racists. There are also, in the United States, the Dream Defenders and United We Dream who fight for undocumented residents, who formed part of the massive pro-immigrant rallies that have now adopted May Day as their day. These indications of the good side of history are often ignored by the press, which has a tendency to hype up the bad side to boost ratings. Such gestures of solidarity tell us what is possible in the West.

Aylan Kurdi is dead. Many other Aylan Kurdis remain. Our outrage at this callous death should drive us deeper into a politics that calls for a drawdown of the violence in Syria and for a serious peace process in Libya, that forces us to be resolute in our fight against IMF and NATO destruction of societies and states. In essence, this is a call for a resolute anti-imperialism. Imperialism, after all, is extra-economic force such as war or the unequal drafting of trade rules to allow a small capitalist minority to sequester the largest share of globally produced social wealth. Refugees such as Aylan Kurdis are “climate change refugees,” “regime change refugees” and “IMF refugees.”

The West’s managers will only talk about tragedies and security. For them people are migrants and deportees, those whose mobility must be constrained. This is a limited imagination. They will not want to talk about the causes of the problem – the wars and economic policies that throw millions of people into the status of refugee. That is our job. In the name of Aylan Kurdi.




In migrant crisis, German generosity comes under fire

Merkel: Refugee influx will transform Germany

As thousands of asylum-seekers poured into Germany over the weekend, German Chancellor Angela Merkel sought to reassure citizens. France and the United Kingdom said it would also take some refugees in solidarity. (Reuters)
By Anthony Faiola and Michael Birnbaum September 7 at 3:51 PM
BERLIN — Pressure is mounting on Germany and other nations to scale back their generous policies welcoming refugees, with opponents, including some of the region’s most influential leaders, arguing that the promise of aid is enticing more and more asylum-seekers to make a break for Western Europe.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:40 pm

But why not all of them? Surely that’s the biblical answer to the “how many can we take?” question. Every single last one. Let’s dig up the greenbelt, create new cities, turn our Downton Abbeys into flats and church halls into temporary dormitories, and reclaim all those empty penthouses being used as nothing more than investment vehicles. Yes, it may change the character of this country. Or maybe it won’t require anything like such drastic action – who knows? But let’s do whatever it takes to open the door of welcome.


Well, that is certainly one way to get those damn tree huggers to not only capitulate to, but joyfully assist with the creation of urban sprawl and urther the destruction of the common/wilds. I can agree with the use of space, there is plenty underused in many cities, but the thought of destroying more wild land is abhorrent. If these people are fleeing ecological disaster, it makes sense to try to preserve the ecology of our own localities, lest they become unable to support anybody...



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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby tapitsbo » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:42 pm

"You" are clearly still alive SLAD. My point was that the refugees wouldn't be dying if their government hadn't been subverted.
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