Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Nordic » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:05 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:19 pm wrote:All controversial sci-fi novels become foreign policy problems eventually. Currently on deck: The Camp of the Saints.

Up next, either The White Plague or Canticle for Leibowitz.

Here's a guided tour of all nine circles of the current global crisis:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015 ... .html?_r=0

We're a decade out from seeing refugees from California and Florida here in the US.

Seeing Canada get settled with a Kurdish diaspora community would be a fascinating experiment.



Refugees from California and Florida?

Florida I get. That place is flat and barely above water. But California won't be too seriously affected by rising sea levels. Unless they get really out of control and the Central Valley floods.

We've got a lot of empty desert here, where people can live. Right now the desert is one of the only relatively affordable places to find housing.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby km artlu » Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:20 pm

I think the California reference may have been to drought. I'm not informed as to the potential for the current situation to become catastrophic. Possible, I assume..?
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby kool maudit » Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:58 am

This crisis marks an interesting development in the coverage of humanitarian catastrophe: it is being treated as a natural disaster. The refugees are running from a force of nature rather than policy and the only question is how Europeans will respond.

It is sort of a new paternalism, a tacit acceptance of the fact that we can somehow leave the policy and geopolitical decisions that create such crises alone so long as we in the West are Good People when it all gets too desperate.

I have not heard the name "Assad" once, not even "ISIS".

"Nobody knows what happened! They just started coming! This is a test from God to be dutiful and kind..."

It's a sort of progressive fatalism.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Rory » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:59 am

Turkey and Erdogan also. He's giving shelter and aid to the jihadi groups and pushing them towards fighting in Kurd controlled areas. He wants the Kurds exterminated, and has been attacking Kurd positions in Syria with Turkish jets and artillery.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:32 am

Stupid question but my query is all keyword-hijacked. What is the state of the drought in Syria now? Did agriculture ever recover at all? I don't imagine that it's in the state it was pre-Civil War, but I imagine it's still bad.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Rory » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:01 pm

Luther Blissett » Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:32 pm wrote:Stupid question but my query is all keyword-hijacked. What is the state of the drought in Syria now? Did agriculture ever recover at all? I don't imagine that it's in the state it was pre-Civil War, but I imagine it's still bad.


It's an interesting question. I don't know, based on my 5 mins of internet web searches.

I thought this link had some interesting things to say, in an oblique manner

http://runesoup.com/2015/08/a-london-afternoon/

Her 85-year-old father lives four kilometres from the border of Ukraine.

Can you guess what the summer weather has been like the last -oh, I don’t know, let’s say- two summers? Not. A. Drop. Of. Rain.
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“James let me tell you… everyone has…ahh, English… in the yard” (makes very obvious sign for a well or masturbating an enormous penis). A well? I ask. “Well, yes. All dry. Never before. No rain. In summer in Slovakia it is 25 degrees but feels like 35 because we have no…” (waves arms around my kitchen) “…ocean. This year and last year. It is Africa. Nothing grow in my father’s yard. I plant for him many things, beans, tomatoes. Nothing grow.”

My mind goes immediately to that theatre of war everyone in mainstream media has not been talking about. My mind goes to the former Japanese minister who said the Americans caused their most recent tsunami with a geo-engineering weapon. My mind goes to the string of highly suspicious earthquakes and droughts in Iran. My mind goes to the 1970s admission of both the CIA and American Air Force that their goal is to ‘own the weather’. My mind goes to the World Economic Forum agendas of recent years that discuss rogue geoengineering. My mind goes to this complete asshole, who is the home-grown, home-brand Australian equivalent of skinny former-defence-contractors-in-bow-ties who show up on controlled media to dispense teh scienze.

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I didn't know there was unseasonal, extended dry weather in Central Eastern Europe this past couple of years. It piqued my interest because I was thinking of Syria when I read it. And I live in Southern California where we've enjoyed the most historical of dry periods (since records began). Climate Change could be a useful cover to bullshit certain topics out of further discussion.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby DrEvil » Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:55 pm

82_28 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:01 am wrote:There is only one man who can save Earth that I can think of.

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OK, so I have no idea who that guy is, but that picture is from where I live. :?
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby conniption » Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:10 pm

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Worst refugee crisis since WWII

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Migrants sleep near the Keleti railway station in Budapest, Hungary, September 3, 2015. © Bernadett Szabo / Reuters

Europe's refugee crisis has been dubbed the worst since WWII with a record number of 107,500 asylum seekers crossing the EU's borders in July. Tens of thousands of people are fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East and North Africa to start a new life in Europe, but many meet a tragic end there.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Rory » Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:15 pm

Worst crisis since WWII?

What about Vietnam? Kampuchea? Korea? Iraq? South and Central America during every decade since WWII?
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Nordic » Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:21 pm

Rory » Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:15 pm wrote:Worst crisis since WWII?

What about Vietnam? Kampuchea? Korea? Iraq? South and Central America during every decade since WWII?



They're talking about Europe.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Rory » Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:33 pm

Ok. What about Ukraine? There have been something like 2.6million people displaced and up to 1 million applying for refuge status in Russia.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Nordic » Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:03 pm

Well yeah, that is not covered by the western presstitutes. Russia is the bad guy, remember.
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby 82_28 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:25 pm

DrEvil » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:55 pm wrote:
82_28 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:01 am wrote:There is only one man who can save Earth that I can think of.

Image


OK, so I have no idea who that guy is, but that picture is from where I live. :?


Rick Steves!

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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby Jerky » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:31 am

kool maudit » 04 Sep 2015 12:58 wrote:This crisis marks an interesting development in the coverage of humanitarian catastrophe: it is being treated as a natural disaster. The refugees are running from a force of nature rather than policy and the only question is how Europeans will respond.

It is sort of a new paternalism, a tacit acceptance of the fact that we can somehow leave the policy and geopolitical decisions that create such crises alone so long as we in the West are Good People when it all gets too desperate.

I have not heard the name "Assad" once, not even "ISIS".

"Nobody knows what happened! They just started coming! This is a test from God to be dutiful and kind..."

It's a sort of progressive fatalism.


Are you aware of the full history of the crisis? It IS a climate-based crisis at its core.

This is as good an explanation as I've yet to find. And it's a comic!

http://www.upworthy.com/trying-to-follo ... -5-minutes
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Re: Europe's Refugee Influx Crisis

Postby parel » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:11 am

Jerky » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:31 am wrote:
kool maudit » 04 Sep 2015 12:58 wrote:This crisis marks an interesting development in the coverage of humanitarian catastrophe: it is being treated as a natural disaster. The refugees are running from a force of nature rather than policy and the only question is how Europeans will respond.

It is sort of a new paternalism, a tacit acceptance of the fact that we can somehow leave the policy and geopolitical decisions that create such crises alone so long as we in the West are Good People when it all gets too desperate.

I have not heard the name "Assad" once, not even "ISIS".

"Nobody knows what happened! They just started coming! This is a test from God to be dutiful and kind..."

It's a sort of progressive fatalism.


Are you aware of the full history of the crisis? It IS a climate-based crisis at its core.

This is as good an explanation as I've yet to find. And it's a comic!

http://www.upworthy.com/trying-to-follo ... -5-minutes


Syria is at war because of CLIMATE CHANGE? Sorry, Jerky but where's the bit about the USG and the Saudis arming the terrorists? Or the fact that the majority of Syrians currently support Assad? The title is false, because it says it will tell us what IS going on in Syria, not what happened between 2006 and 2011.

Anyone interested in Syria should follow this guy. He has been researching the crisis since 2011 and went with a peace delegation to Syria in 2013.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrian ... ad/5405208
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