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Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:54 pm

norton ash » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:02 am wrote:
As a comment, Blake's writings (especially The Marriage of Heaven and Hell) reflect the occult and mystical influence of Emanuel Swedenborg on Blake. Blake was also involved in and influenced by Theosophy and fringe freemasonry similar to the influence of the Golden Dawn order on William Butler Yeats.


Blake is such a visionary dynamo of energy/delight/awe in his words and art. I imagine he felt influences like streams entering a whirlpool.

If you're going to be honest about teaching any of these proposed creeds to kids (including after-school Blake) you're just going to frighten a lot of children. Some parent or administrator could just stamp 'violent', 'trigger warning' or 'non-inclusive' on the educational materials and they could be protested and shut down.

Anyway, I wish the kid would stop bringing home those Baphomet pictures and leaving them in the front hall... they always startle me when I put on my shoes.


Amen to that bolded above.

On Blake and Swedenborg:



Lessons of Swedenborg: or, the Origin of Blake's The Marriage of Heaven and Hell


[Part II. of The Evolution of William Blake's The Marriage of Heaven and Hell]

Joseph Viscomi *






On the 27th of January last [1788] a chapel, called the New Jerusalem Church, was opened in Great Eastcheap, London, by a sect of mystics, who consider Swedenborg as a prophet sent from God to establish the true doctrines of Christianity. They have a set form of prayer, on the model of that of the established church, and read chapters taken from the writings of Swedenborg as lessons.

—Analytical Review 2 (1788): 98



[Blake] . . . would allow of no other education than what lies in the cultivation of the fine arts & the imagination.

—H. C. Robinson (Bentley, Blake Records 543)





This is the second of three essays on the evolution of William Blake's The Marriage of Heaven and Hell. [1] The first argues that Blake began Marriage with plates 21 through 24, began executing the work without a completed manuscript, and that Marriage's disjointed structure is partly the result of its production history. It reveals that Marriage evolved through four to six distinct printmaking sessions in the following order: 21-24; 12-13; 1-3, 5-6, 11, 6-10; 14-15, 4; 16-20; and 25-27. [2] Marriage's structure may also have been partly influenced by literary models, such as Menippean satire, or by the Higher Criticism's theory "that the Old Testament was a gathering of redacted fragments" (Essick, "Representation"). These models, though, if present, appear to have come into play only after Blake wrote and etched plates 21-24, which constitute a sustained attack on the Swedish mystic Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772). [3] Because the four plates form an autonomous text and are quarters cut from the same sheet of copper, and because that sheet was the first of seven cut, the text appears to have been conceived as an independent, anti-Swedenborgian pamphlet. It became instead the intellectual core of what became the Marriage, helping to generate twenty of its subsequent twenty-three plates. The only extant printing of plates 21-24 supports the pamphlet hypothesis. [4]

The present essay, which extends the first, argues that plates 21-24 do, indeed, form an autonomous text; that they are, unlike the other textual units, thematically, aesthetically, and rhetorically coherent; and that their textual and visual coherence supports the hypothesis that they were initially conceived as an independent pamphlet. Throughout its examination of plates 21-24, it identifies the primary Swedenborgian texts and themes that Blake refers to and/or satirizes. The third essay, by tracing many of these themes and texts through the remaining textual units in the order in which the units were produced, reveals how Marriage evolved through its production. By examining visual and verbal connections heretofore obscured, particularly those between printmaking and Swedenborg, it helps to reveal Blake's mind at work, locate where in practice execution and invention appear to intersect, and distinguish Blake's original from final intentions. The last essay reveals that Marriage, in effect, is a series of variations on themes raised on plates 21-24 instead of on plate 3, as is commonly thought (e.g., Bloom, Introduction; Miller; Nurmi; Punter), that Swedenborg, though mentioned only on plates 3, 19, 21, and 22, figures pervasively throughout Marriage, and that graphic allusions, which usually set into play the reflexivity associated with formalism, serve to evoke or communicate the unrepresentable—the spirit incarnate in a creative work of art.

The present essay, then, necessarily refers backward and forward, supporting theories already presented while also providing the textual and thematic grounds for a new reading of Marriage. But it stands firmly on its own as well, for it provides the first reading of plates 21-24 as they appear to have been initially written, that is, as an autonomous text preceding the composition of—and without the visual and verbal referents provided by—the Marriage. Read closely in this light, the aesthetic issues underlying Blake's theological critique of Swedenborg, as well as Blake's idea of himself as visionary artist and the relation between original artistic creation and prophecy, come into sharp focus.

http://siteslab.unc.edu/viscomi/lesson.html for more.





William Blake and the Radical Swedenborgians

Robert Rix





Introduction: Occultist or Political Radical?

If the philosophy of Immanuel Kant is now studied worldwide, the current climate of philosophical investigation ignores the mystical thinker Emanuel Swedenborg – at best relegating him to footnote status. But towards the end of the eighteenth century, the interest in Swedenborg among intellectuals was immense; his writings “made a lot of noise in the speculative world,” as the leading journal on esoteric matters, The Conjuror’s Magazine, commented in 1791. [1] Kant even felt compelled to respond to Swedenborg in Träume eines Geistesseher (1766; Dreams of a Spirit-Seer). Swedenborg’s teaching became the main substance of the occult revival in the late eighteenth century, and his ideas have had a lasting appeal as a source of inspiration to many intellectuals who were not converts, such as Lavater; Goethe; Coleridge; Emerson; Balzac; Baudelaire; Whitman; Melville; Henry James, Sr; and, not least, the poet and painter William Blake, on whom the essay at hand will focus. [2]

From documents we know that on 14 April 1789 Blake and his wife, Catherine, attended the First General Conference of the Swedenborgian New Jerusalem Church at the chapel in Maidenhead Lane, just off Great Eastcheap (now Cannon Street) in London’s East End. The conference lasted four days until 17 April. It was held in response to a circular letter of 7 December 1788, which had been distributed in 500 copies to “all the readers of the Theological Writings of the Hon. Emanuel Swedenborg, who are desirous of rejecting, and separating themselves from, the Old Church, or the present Established Churches.” The letter drew up forty-two propositions outlining the terms for a separation, which the Blakes signed. [3]

The Swedenborgian Church is the only religious institution we have any record of him ever attending. However, if the dating Blake scribbled in blue ink on copy K of The Marriage of Heaven and Hell, his scathing satire on Swedenborg, is correct, it seems that he was, at this time, not willing to accept Swedenborg as the singular prophet on which one could build a system of beliefs.

http://www.esoteric.msu.edu/VolumeV/Blake.htm for more.

Blake and Swedenborg

Opposition is True Friendship


Edited by Harvey Bellin and Darrell Ruhl

An exploration of Emanuel Swedenborg’s influences on the art and life of William Blake, examined from a spectrum of literary, art historical, philosophical, religious, and historical perspectives

With rare exception, every major study of William Blake’s life and arts includes at leads passing mention of the influences of Emanuel Swedenborg’s theological writings. This anthology is intended as a comprehensive exploration of Emanuel Swedenborg’s influences on the poetry, visual arts, ideas, and life of William Blake, examined from a spectrum of literary, art historical, philosophical, religious, and historical perspectives.

Included are essays by Blake scholar Kathleen Raine about Swedenborg’s influence on Blake’s poetry and descriptions of Blake’s encounters with the Swedenborgian church (a fledgling organization in Blake’s lifetime) by Raymond H. Deck, Robert Hindmarsh, and more.

http://www.swedenborg.com/product/blake ... borg/#full

Also available at: https://www.amazon.com/BLAKE-SWEDENBORG ... 0877851271

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One can buy all sorts of T-shirts and garb including a shirt or statue of Baphomet at the links in the OP. (meant to type shirt not shit)
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Re: After School Satan

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:01 pm

PufPuf93 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:54 pm wrote:
norton ash » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:02 am wrote:
As a comment, Blake's writings (especially The Marriage of Heaven and Hell) reflect the occult and mystical influence of Emanuel Swedenborg on Blake. Blake was also involved in and influenced by Theosophy and fringe freemasonry similar to the influence of the Golden Dawn order on William Butler Yeats.


Blake is such a visionary dynamo of energy/delight/awe in his words and art. I imagine he felt influences like streams entering a whirlpool.

If you're going to be honest about teaching any of these proposed creeds to kids (including after-school Blake) you're just going to frighten a lot of children. Some parent or administrator could just stamp 'violent', 'trigger warning' or 'non-inclusive' on the educational materials and they could be protested and shut down.

Anyway, I wish the kid would stop bringing home those Baphomet pictures and leaving them in the front hall... they always startle me when I put on my shoes.


Amen to that bolded above.



Well, norton and PufPuf, that's exactly why I made a point of saying it exactly the way I said it. (I didn't think it necessary to bold any of it, but I'll do do now.)

MacCruiskeen » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:10 am wrote:
After School Blake and After School Reich - if done seriously and age-appropriately, those are ideas that would be well worth realising.


I wasn't talking about wee tiny tots. And I certainly wasn't advocating teaching any "creed" to any schoolkid of any age.
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Re: After School Satan

Postby guruilla » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:57 pm

Thanks @MacCruiskeen.

norton ash wrote:Blake is such a visionary dynamo of energy/delight/awe in his words and art. I imagine he felt influences like streams entering a whirlpool.

I would also personally put Blake in a very separate class to occultists. He invented his own mythology and, unlike AC, never tried to turn it into a cult of self-worship. What-all he got up to as a Druid Grandmaster is another question.

PufPuf93 wrote:There is also always the question of whether something is satanic in spirit or Satanic as in following a deity.

Yeah, and the former is pretty much impossible to define without getting on a soapbox. Root of "Satan" is the accuser, so along with Girard I think it relates to something in the human psyche that scapegoats others who are vulnerable, in order to empower itself.

PufPuf93 wrote:I have a hard time seeing the OP video and links as being anything more than clever sarcasm and at most an opportunity to sell satanic tea shirts and related garb on the internet.

How do think a survivor of ritual abuse would feel about that?

The Satanic Temple site is linked to sister sites whose goal is to discredit survivors testimony of being ritually abused, push false memory syndrome and write off dissociate identity disorder & even the whole concept of suppressed memory as the diabolical fantasies of irresponsible therapists and crazed Christians.

Eg:
“Throughout the 80s and 90s there was a moral panic against Satanic Cults that turned out to be nothing more than a delusion-fueled conspiracy theory. As with the alien abduction phenomenon, therapists were compelling their clients to confabulate false memories under hypnosis. While we now know that this process of creating false memories can be very damaging to individuals and has never been known to draw forth accurate recall, we find therapists still endorsing this practice and even still continuing to spread conspiracy theories related to Satanic cults […] The Grey Faction seeks to expose therapeutic pseudoscience and bring an end to its practice.”
— Sarah Ponto Rivera
http://greyfaction.org/


The Satanic Panic

“They Should Live in Infamy for What They Have Done.” Doug Mesner Interview Regarding Satanic Panic

In this incendiary interview with Matt Dwyer, Doug Mesner discusses the shameful mental health scandal of Multiple Personality Disorder/Dissociative Identity Disorder — a diagnostic classification that persists in the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association despite being debunked by the best available contemporary empirical evidence, and despite the very evident harmful effects of the imaginary condition’s so-called treatment. Mesner speaks of his own experiences in documenting the pseudoscientific psychotherapeutic subculture of dissociative disorders, and reveals how, at its core, it is a subculture that is driven by, and dependent upon, Conspiracy Theory of the most paranoid delusional kind.
http://www.dougmesner.com/
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Re: After School Satan

Postby OP ED » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:34 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:33 pm wrote:
OP ED » Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:14 pm wrote:I'm also not certain what you meant by "drives people into real forms of behavior that have real consequences"...

Such as what? Also when did this happen and who did it happen to?


Is that a fucking joke? Not asking because I'm offended, but because I'm laughing so hard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... the_occult

How many rapist serial killers need to reference the Dark Lord before it's a pattern? (Asking for a friend.)


Seriously? That's the whole thing?

(Meanwhile "Christians" shoot 11000 of their fellow Americans every year but that's not nearly as sensational reading fun)

I am sad that you chose to just copy a wiki link. Possessed as it is of a mixture of actual probable ritual crimes and witchhunt nonsense like the west memphis 3 story.

The point being that its a tiny list with a significant portion of it being questionable as to its relevance.

Also, as I'm pretty sure I at least implied, crazy people claiming things are the cause of their crimes doesn't count as evidence for the reality of a satanic historical conspiracy. This would be unlikely in any case, considering the relatively recent invention of Satan as a literary figure, evidence for which you could easily find also on Wikipedia.
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Re: After School Satan

Postby slimmouse » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:53 pm

One of my latest jobs involves drinking in a bar complex, surrounded by beautiful women, the latest music, etc. Its probably amidst the free-est places on earth just now.

The ;largely red glow that emanates from the place, due to the light bulbs does sometimes makes me wonder if Im actually working in Hell , at least according to any of the many Monotheistic definitions of the the term

Yet to me , it all seems both fine and neccesary.
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Re: After School Satan

Postby OP ED » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:59 pm

Its the sort of militant douchery that Mesner embodies that forced me to dissociate myself from the local satanists many years ago. I honestly doubt any of them are actually criminal, but I find the lot of them preachy and irritatingly reminiscent of other annoying religious.

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Re: After School Satan

Postby Novem5er » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:54 pm

DrEvil » Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:58 pm wrote:My impression is that most Satanists don't actually believe in Satan (or God) but use it as a symbol to troll the traditional Christian value system (plus, it's "edgy" and "cool" to be a Satanist. "Look at me rebelling!"). Whether you think that's good or bad depends on your viewpoint.

I'm one of those horrible secularists who don't think Satan is in any way, shape or form real,or based on anything real, so for me this is a group of people holding up a mirror to the Christian's hypocrisy and nothing more.

It could easily be done without the Satan baggage, but as a PR ploy it works pretty well, with the added bonus of having Christians trying to explain why their religion is OK, but your religion is bad.

They could have just said they were secularists or atheists wanting to teach critical thinking, but wouldn't have gotten anything close to the attention they're getting now.


This; absolutely. Oh, I am sure that there have been SOME sick individuals and cults out there that have done some sick shit in the name of Satan, but how many really? And could their actions be blamed on a belief in Satan or really just a original mental illness or criminal mindset, and the Satanism came later?

Satan, for most people, is just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster; something made up to piss people off. Secularist have flaunted Satan for hundreds of years, really, going all the way back to John Milton. Ever since Paradise Lost, Satan has been a symbol of artistry, free-thinking, rebellion, and generally sticking it to the man. Whenever any of my Christian friends gasp at something "Satanic" I tell them to chill and remind them its mostly comic book horror-show, stuff. How many amazing rock and roll songs have been inspired by the Devil? You can't have rock 'n roll without the devil and you can't have the devil without rock 'n roll.

Here's an ear-worm that I discovered recently:

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Re: After School Satan

Postby guruilla » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:54 pm

This notion that belief in a Satanic deity is simply a confabulation of Christians and only goes back a few centuries seems to get a lot of airplay at RI. It's also wrong. My guess is that every culture throughout history has had some version or another of a Devil-archetype in their mythology, even without the extreme dualism/schizophrenia of Christianity. & guess what, the Accuser-Guy even has similar names in some cases: Shaitan, Set, Saturn, etc.

Some people here seem to be more afraid of getting accused of sounding like backward hysterical Christians (or of even seeing themselves that way) than they are interested in exploring the roots of Satanism.

Novem5er wrote:Satan, for most people, is just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster; something made up to piss people off. Secularist have flaunted Satan for hundreds of years, really, going all the way back to John Milton. Ever since Paradise Lost, Satan has been a symbol of artistry, free-thinking, rebellion, and generally sticking it to the man. Whenever any of my Christian friends gasp at something "Satanic" I tell them to chill and remind them its mostly comic book horror-show, stuff. How many amazing rock and roll songs have been inspired by the Devil? You can't have rock 'n roll without the devil and you can't have the devil without rock 'n roll.

This idea, to quote Paul Collins, is not even wrong. Possibly it might just have some accuracy if by "most people" you mean most modern, Westernized, neo-liberal & reasonably affluent people living today (ie, most people like you). If you actually mean most people throughout history, or even most people on the planet today, then it's probably very far from the truth. Most people I know take the idea of satan very seriously, even if they think the Christians have over-literalized, rigidified, and fed to the point of obesity, that primary archaic mechanism within the human soul.

Funny thing is, these sorts of glib, hip, neolib dismissals of unconscious realities make most Christians seem sane by comparison! :lol:
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Re: After School Satan

Postby Novem5er » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:47 pm

Yes, by "most people", I do mean non-religious people of the Western hemisphere. I live in the South and I am surrounded by Christians, who mostly believe that Satan is a real entity. To them, the idea of an After School Satan club is appalling! After all, in their mind, there really is a Hell, and an ongoing war for souls between Christ/God and the Devil.

Pish posh, I say,

I don't care much for the idea that most humans through all of time have accepted the idea of a Dark Lord, ergo it must be true. Most humans for our 12,000+ years of civilization thought that the world was flat and that it only rained because some divine being sprinkled water out of a magic cup or something. As far as most of the humans currently alive today? Well, if their opinion about an Evil Overlord is related to their belief in a bearded Sky Father then I can safely laugh off their opinion, too. Pish posh!

That said, I'm not an atheist. I just don't believe that Sauron is out there with his invisible tendrils, massing armies of orks or a cadre Wyrmtongues to whisper evil things into our ears. Oh, there's evil out there. I've shaken its hand and offered a glass of water without realizing it at the time, but it's human and we don't need a spiritual force to corrupt us. It's just us.

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Re: After School Satan

Postby cptmarginal » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:07 am

Regarding the topic of William Blake (and it is heartening to see that so many around these parts can appreciate him) make sure to look at Why Mrs Blake Cried by Marsha Keith Schuchard. That was an eye-opener for me, didn't know a lot of the history there.

Anyway...

Great discussion here and valid points made all around... Ambiguity and unanswered questions are the order of the day when it comes to other people's filthy secrets. It's easy to forget that we are all working with incomplete information, that many atrocious deeds are meant to be successfully buried forever. I will say for myself that I have far more suspicion regarding creepy fundamentalist Christians as secret monstrous Satanists than I do about any organized self-professed Satanists committing atrocities. I do really appreciate guruilla's reference to some of these very modern quasi-satanic groups that have a personal vendetta against the whole concept of ritual abuse. I had noticed the very same thing a while back, when looking at the websites of several unofficial ONA offshoots (as well as some others I don't care to mention.)

Possibly it might just have some accuracy if by "most people" you mean most modern, Westernized, neo-liberal & reasonably affluent people living today (ie, most people like you). If you actually mean most people throughout history, or even most people on the planet today, then it's probably very far from the truth.


The tone of what is being said here might be a bit overly confrontational but I personally think that a very good point is being made. For example: a place like India may as well be another universe as far as most everyone that posts here is concerned. Simply doesn't compute, too vast and alive.

All in the past year:

Family sacrifices minor boy to please deity, 3rd child sacrifice this year in Chhattisgarh
Child murder was human sacrifice
Minor boy killed in ‘occult sacrifice’
Blind murder is case of human sacrifice
Tantrik held for planning to sacrifice girl
Girl’s death leads to human sacrifice rumours in neighbourhood
Man kills son, wife to offer as 'sacrifice'
Human sacrifice: Father beheaded son to rid wife of sickness
Man sacrifices daughter for good fortune to family
Man sacrifices 10-year-old son to propitiate Goddess in Chhattisgarh
Father sacrifices girl for good fortune

That's an arbitrary stopping point, the list of articles can go on endlessly. These are pretty much all poor people; what happens with the affluent that were raised in the same belief systems when they decide to commit such acts? How common is the practice of human sacrifice among the "sand mafia" and other organized criminals of that sort? See: Tamil Nadu to probe Madurai `human sacrifice' or Hut of complainant in human sacrifices case set on fire. Again, this is just scratching the most recent surface.

Or have a look at one of the scant treatments of these topics in the Western press: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/ ... heobserver

Police in Khurja say dozens of sacrifices have been made over the past six months. Last month, in a village near Barha, a woman hacked her neighbour's three-year-old to death after a tantrik promised unlimited riches. In another case, a couple desperate for a son had a six-year-old kidnapped and then, as the tantrik chanted mantras, mutilated the child. The woman completed the ritual by washing in the child's blood.

'It's because of blind superstitions and rampant illiteracy that this woman sacrificed this boy,' said Khurja police officer AK Singh. 'It's happened before and will happen again but there is little we can do to stop it. In most situations it's an open and shut case. It isn't difficult to elicit confessions - normally the villagers or the families of the victims do that for us. This has been going on for centuries; these people are living in the dark ages.'

According to an unofficial tally by the local newspaper, there have been 28 human sacrifices in western Uttar Pradesh in the last four months. Four tantrik priests have been jailed and scores of others forced to flee.

[...]

Tantriks caught up in the crackdown in Uttar Pradesh say their reputation is being destroyed by an insane minority. 'Human sacrifices have been made in this region since time immemorial,' says Prashant, a tantrik who runs a small 'practice' from his concrete shell of a home on the outskirts of Bulandshahr. 'People come to me with all sorts of ailments. I recommend simply pujas and very rarely animal sacrifices.'

In her squalid home Ritu Singh rocks back and forth, beating her chest in grief. She has been mourning since the day her son Aakash's body was discovered in a sewer outside Sumitra Bushan's home. Her husband, Rajbir, said: 'We expect them to be jailed or fined but they won't spend longer than a few years in prison for what they have done. They were my neighbours, they ate in our house. The Tantrik who made them do this has disappeared, they will never find him.'


I know that this is getting way off course from the topic, but it's something so rarely pointed out in our respective language bubbles.
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Re: After School Satan

Postby guruilla » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:24 am

This ^^^ is what I'm talking about. Cheers, Captain Liminal. :thumbsup
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Re: After School Satan

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One of the most rewarding and necessary discussions at RI for a little while, thanks all. :thumbsup
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Re: After School Satan

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:56 am

Last month, in a village near Barha, a woman hacked her neighbour's three-year-old to death after a tantrik promised unlimited riches.


The root cause is a belief in lies facilitated by selfishness. These are people so desperate for their own desires to be fulfilled (whether for riches or sick child/wife/husband, etc.) that they gladly (probably gleefully in some cases) cause suffering and death to another human as an offset/sacrifice to make it happen. You notice they never do it for world peace or some general cause that would benefit others and not their immediate family. Utter depravity.
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Re: After School Satan

Postby Elihu » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:15 am

i feel compelled to mention that the Good News of the New Testament has nothing to do with religion, christian or other wise. jus sayin
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Re: After School Satan

Postby Novem5er » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:40 am

@ cptmarginal

Great points! Occasionally I do read about a child sacrifice in the poor, rural areas of India or Africa and it always blows my mind that people believe in such powers. I get the point that guruilla has made, that even though "I" don't believe in Satan, so to me its a joke, billions of people on earth, past and present, do take that shit seriously.

Well, fuck them. If a billion people believe that eating hot peppers after sex can prevent pregnancy, that doesn't make it true, and that belief creates actual problems for society.

The entire point of what I will dub "Secular Satanism" is to thumb your nose at religion in general. None of those dark, evil sacrifices would have been made to a Dark Lord if there wasn't a Lord of Light to balance the mythology. I'm not aware of any religion or mythos where there are ONLY evil entities (save for, perhaps, fictional Cthuluism). When you go around telling people that there is an evil puppet master corrupting souls, well, X% of the population is going to side with that evil power, probably after falling out of favor with the good power (society). Hell, Vishnu didn't save my crops from drought this season, let's see what Kali can do for the family . . .

On that note, though, I can see why an After School Satanism club is a dumb idea. What if some impressionable teen got involved, but took it too far? Two pre-teen girls attempted murder a few years back in the name of Slenderman, for Christ's sake. They were inspired by a mythos, but then expanded on it with their own imagination. That's a dangerous road to tread with kids.

But the After School Satanism program is not about recruiting kids. It's about holding up a mirror to the public school system and saying "religion does not belong on campus". It's about scaring a school district into shutting down all religiously affiliated programs.

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