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From the religious historian whose The Gnostic Gospels won both the National Book Award and the National Book Critics Circle Award comes a dramatic interpretation of Satan and his role on the Christian tradition. With magisterial learning and the elan of a born storyteller, Pagels turns Satan's story into an audacious exploration of Christianity's shadow side, in which the gospel of love gives way to irrational hatreds that continue to haunt Christians and non-Christians alike.
OP ED » Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:14 pm wrote:You should avoid using words like "we" when describing how little you know about something. Fact is you've been able to check out books about satanism by satanists for like fifty years now. If you don't know what they believe, that's entirely on you at this point.
I'm also not certain what you meant by "drives people into real forms of behavior that have real consequences"...
Such as what? Also when did this happen and who did it happen to?
OP ED » Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:14 pm wrote:I'm also not certain what you meant by "drives people into real forms of behavior that have real consequences"...
Such as what? Also when did this happen and who did it happen to?
wombat said
(Asking for a friend.)
82_28 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:15 pm wrote:Any of you guys read this by Elaine Pagels? I don't remember shit about it since I read it when it came out in 1996. But I remember that it was good. That's something, right? Anyway, check it out if you haven't.
https://www.amazon.com/Origin-Satan-Chr ... 0679731180From the religious historian whose The Gnostic Gospels won both the National Book Award and the National Book Critics Circle Award comes a dramatic interpretation of Satan and his role on the Christian tradition. With magisterial learning and the elan of a born storyteller, Pagels turns Satan's story into an audacious exploration of Christianity's shadow side, in which the gospel of love gives way to irrational hatreds that continue to haunt Christians and non-Christians alike.
But don't order it from Amazon -- speaking of evil. It's probably in your library.
guruilla wrote:If people believe certain things they are likely to act on their beliefs. Scientific rationalism combined with self-worship is a recipe for unimaginable kinds depravity, as we've seen in recent history, and whether or not we pin a Satanic label on any of it.
The voice of the Devil.
All Bibles or sacred codes have been the causes of the following Errors.
1. That Man has two real existing principles Viz: a Body & a Soul.
2. That Energy, call'd Evil, is alone from the Body, & that Reason, call'd Good, is alone from the Soul.
3. That God will torment Man in Eternity for following his Energies.
But the following Contraries to these are True
1. Man has no Body distinct from his Soul for that call'd Body is a portion of Soul discern'd by the five Senses, the chief inlets of Soul in this age
2. Energy is the only life and is from the Body and Reason is the bound or outward circumference of Energy.
3 Energy is Eternal Delight
MacCruiskeen » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:58 am wrote:Great posts, guruilla.guruilla wrote:If people believe certain things they are likely to act on their beliefs. Scientific rationalism combined with self-worship is a recipe for unimaginable kinds depravity, as we've seen in recent history, and whether or not we pin a Satanic label on any of it.
Right. On a banal everyday level, though, the results are not "unimaginable kinds of depravity" but very boring and predictable kinds of selfishness, smugness, stupidity and careerism. Randi, Dawkins, Guardian columnists, the Parliamentary Labour Party, admen and PR guys, people who think "tinfoil-hattery" is a witty thing to say, a-souls of all descriptions.
One thing I like about seriously religious people, of any denomination, is that at least they don't worship themselves. Because they live at least part of the time in another dimension, a dimension that isn't and can't be ruled by their own ego and appetite.
MacCruiskeen » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:10 am wrote:I'll take Blake (and Reich) over any self-described "Satanist" any day:The voice of the Devil.
All Bibles or sacred codes have been the causes of the following Errors.
1. That Man has two real existing principles Viz: a Body & a Soul.
2. That Energy, call'd Evil, is alone from the Body, & that Reason, call'd Good, is alone from the Soul.
3. That God will torment Man in Eternity for following his Energies.
But the following Contraries to these are True
1. Man has no Body distinct from his Soul for that call'd Body is a portion of Soul discern'd by the five Senses, the chief inlets of Soul in this age
2. Energy is the only life and is from the Body and Reason is the bound or outward circumference of Energy.
3 Energy is Eternal Delight
- from The Marriage of Heaven and Hell (link to full text).
After School Blake and After School Reich - if done seriously and age-appropriately, those are ideas that would be well worth realising.
As a comment, Blake's writings (especially The Marriage of Heaven and Hell) reflect the occult and mystical influence of Emanuel Swedenborg on Blake. Blake was also involved in and influenced by Theosophy and fringe freemasonry similar to the influence of the Golden Dawn order on William Butler Yeats.
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