Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Belligerent Savant]

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All asute points, Harvey. And Eisenstein's piece is absolutely worthy of a read.

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Meanwhile:

The (more) overt control measures begin in NYC, unsurprisingly. Where are the civil liberties groups? How can this be permitted to stand?


Doesn't matter these shots remain EUA (though they'll surely obtain FDA approval by Sept, compromised as the FDA already is);
Doesn't matter those vaccinated are still catching the virus and spreading it to others;
Doesn't matter natural immunity has been shown to have long-lasting protection;
Doesn't matter there's a growing count of adverse effects far surpassing any historical vaccines.


Who -- of rational mind -- can continue to defend this?

NYC to Require Proof of Vaccination for Indoor Dining, Theatres, Gyms

New York City will require proof of vaccination for a wide variety of indoor activities

New York City will now require proof of vaccination for a wide range of indoor activities like dining, fitness and entertainment, part of an increasing crackdown on those who remain unvaccinated.

Enforcement of what is being called the "Key to NYC Pass" is set to begin Sept. 13, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Tuesday. It will be its own digital platform, separate from the state's Excelsior Pass, though the latter will also be valid, as will paper vaccination cards.

"Climbing this ladder is giving us more and more ability to fight back (against) the delta variant," the mayor said Tuesday.

He has made no secret in recent days of his intention to ramp up restrictions on the unvaccinated.

"If people still hesitate, we're going to be climbing that ladder faster and more. I think you're going to see in short order more and more activities be only for vaccinated folks," De Blasio said last week.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/n ... s/3196098/

[Karmamatterz]

Another member of the Snowflake Squad.

Snowflake? As Uncle Joe would say: Come on man!

Yeah Puf, well call me what you want, but at least I'm not brainwashed by all this. Not saying you are, but leaving it open to debate.
I can tell you this, my close friends and neighbors know that if forced vaccinations were going on and they came to a friends or neighbors door you would reconsider the entire idea about snowflake. I don't sit on my ass playing a keyboard jockey and have been active in my community and others to support people who were willing to protest and plan events.

Choose your friends wisely as well as your neighbors. When the door is being broke down or your cuffed and your ass is hauled off the neighbors will be your closest ally. Of course if you've got the jab then you have no worries. In that case enjoy your double mask.

[drstrangelove]

There's a problem with the current debate surrounding vaccine passports. Beyond opposition to them being painted with a broad brush of the lowest common denominator, namely far-right partisanship, there is an issue with how the debate itself is being framed.

The goal of propaganda, in which we all partake, is not to change other people's views, but change the view they have of their views.

The distinction here is between:
1) An object view, which is a placeholder in the form of name.
2) A kernel view, which is amorphous and malleable.

Generally speaking, people have object views, not kernel ones. They have a view, an object, which is sacred and so must be defended. But they don't know why it is sacred, just that it is. You could say they believe "In the name of something" as opposed to that something. So the attack is never made against the name of something, for instance, Democracy, but against what the something is.

The current Vaccine passport propaganda is just this. The talking points which have been disseminated to useful idiots are:
- "We've always mandated vaccination in children"
- "We've always had to get a vaccine passport for yellow fever countries"
- "We've always kept records of vaccination"
- "We've always had to sacrifice freedoms for the good of society"

Ignoring the specific instances of false equivalencies, what this really is' is a broader strategy of focusing the debate on conflation as opposed to distinction. The conflation of two kernel views of two opposite object views. Or the conflation of autocratic kernel views with the object view of liberty.

This focuses debate on the kernel view of liberty. Which insures this is where the fight takes place, in the form of debate over what liberty is. This is bad because it engages conflation.

This conflation can be ignored, and the debate refocused on distinction, simply by asking people what their view of totalitarianism is, or what their view of autocracy is. This will force them to engage with the object view that they oppose, and which is attacking the object view of liberty.

This flips the nature of the debate from, 'what is liberty', to 'what is autocracy'. This is a very important distinction. As the trap most people fall into fighting against this, is effectively telling other people that their views of liberty are totalitarian. This is trying to make someone change their view. Which doesn't work, because their views are sacred and they don't know why.

But, by changing the kernel view of liberty, they inversely must modify their kernel view of autocracy, as if they don't they will start to short circuit when they try to explain their views. And since autocracy is in opposition to peoples view of liberty, and people don't like to change their views, the focus needs to be on what autocracy is, not liberty.

To refocus the debate is to not oppose peoples views, but to ask questions circumventing them, and as innocently as possible:
"but, isn't that kind of like, totalitarian?"
- the response is "No" followed by an attempt to conflate the debate around liberty
"oh ok, but if that isn't totalitarian, what is totalitarianism?"
- their response must be an attempt to either define or redefine what totalitarianism is, which refocuses the discussion from liberty to totalitarianism. now it is good to move from a discussion to a debate, because you've flipped the object view in question from liberty to autocracy.

Don't debate liberty, debate autocracy. Do this through a discussion about liberty that segues into a debate about autocracy.

[alwyn]

https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-cont ... xicity.pdf

risks that were clearly evident from these data, and the regulatory authorities failed
to enforce proper standards of oversight. This dual failure has caused the most
grievous harm to the public.
Before we discuss this study and its implications in detail, we will briefly review
how the Pfizer mRNA vaccine works. These explanations also apply to the Moderna
mRNA vaccine, whereas the AstraZeneca and the Johnson & Johnson vaccines differ
in some aspects.
1.1 How the mRNA COVID vaccines work
The Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines consist of a synthetic messenger RNA
(mRNA) that encodes the SARS-CoV-2 “spike protein,” which normally is found
on the surface of the coronavirus particles. This mRNA is coated with a mixture of
synthetic lipids (fat-like molecules) that protect it during transport within the body,
and which also facilitate its uptake into the target cells through endocytosis.
After the vaccine has entered a cell, it initially finds itself enclosed by a mem-
brane vesicle—a little bubble that was pinched off from the cell membrane. The
subsequent accumulation of acid inside this bubble causes the lipids to be stripped
off, and the mRNA to be released into the cytosol (the intracellular fluid); this release
step is facilitated by the cationic lipid ALC-0315 (see later). The mRNA then binds
to ribosomes—the cell’s little protein factories—and induces the synthesis of the
actual spike protein molecules. Most of the spike protein molecules will then be
transported to the cell surface.
Once it appears there, it will be recognized by B-lymphocytes (B-cells), which will
then start making antibodies to it.2 Furthermore, some part of the spike protein can
also be cleaved off by proteases on the cell surface and released from the cell. If
this happens within the circulation, the released fragment—referred to as S1—can
bind to blood platelets (thrombocytes) and activate them. In this manner, the spike
protein directly promotes blood clotting.
2 B-cell activation involves additional steps and auxiliary cells that are here omitted for simplicity.
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As with any protein that is synthesized within the cell, a small number of mole-
cules will undergo fragmentation, and the fragments will be presented on the cell
surface in association with specific (HLA-) carrier proteins. The purpose of this
mechanism is immune surveillance—as soon as fragments show up of some protein
which the immune system does not recognize as “self,” an immune response will be
mounted against that protein and against the cells that produce it. This response is
mediated by cytotoxic T-lymphocytes (CTLs, T-killer cells).
In mounting its cytotoxic response, the immune system will not distinguish
between a true virus infection and the expression of an mRNA vaccine—as long
as the spike protein fragments appear on the cell, the killer cells will be on the
march. If the vaccine is expressed in the cells that line the blood vessels—the
endothelial cells—the vascular lesion caused by the immune attack will again set off
blood clotting. Thus, we have at least two distinct paths toward blood clotting after
vaccination.
1.2 The lipid-coated mRNA vaccines acquire an apolipoprotein “corona”
Lipoprotein particles occur naturally in the bloodstream and within the tissues of
our body. They consist of a core of lipids that is surrounded with a shell of proteins
called apolipoproteins. Their purpose is to transport lipids such as cholesterol
and triacylglycerol (regular fat) between organs. For example, a specific type of
lipoprotein called chylomicrons transports dietary fats after they have been taken
up in the small intestine. Other lipoproteins called VLDL and LDL distribute fats
that have been synthesized in the liver to other organs and tissues.
The various apolipoproteins that encase the lipoproteins stabilize the particles,
and they also serve as “address tags” that bind to receptor molecules on cell surfaces.
This interaction will trigger the uptake of the lipoproteins into those cells. Artificial
lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) like those used in the COVID mRNA vaccines can acquire
a shell—a “corona”—of the body’s own apolipoprotein molecules [3]. This enables
these vaccines to be taken up into the cells of our body, too.
The liver has a central place in lipid and lipoprotein metabolic turnover. Ac-
cordingly, liver cells are rich in specific surface receptor molecules which mediate
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lipoprotein uptake, suggesting that they will efficiently take up LNPs decorated with
apolipoproteins also. This is indeed the case. However, other organs have high rates
of lipoprotein uptake, too, and they must therefore be expected to accumulate the
apolipoprotein-decorated vaccine LNPs as well.
1.3 Receptor-mediated cellular uptake of lipoproteins and of vaccines
This slide illustrates the role of cellular receptors and the apolipoproteins in facili-
tating the uptake of vaccines into cells through endocytosis. They bind to the same
cellular receptors as the regular lipoprotein particles do, and they subsequently get
taken up in the same manner. The subsequent events—release of the mRNA and
protein synthesis—have already been discussed above.
1.4 Transcytosis of lipoproteins from the bloodstream into the tissues
All substrate exchange between the tissues and the bloodstream occurs in the capil-
laries. In these finest of all blood vessels, the blood is separated from the extracel-
lular matrix of the tissues by only one cellular layer—namely, the endothelial cells.
The capillary wall permits free passage only to small molecules such as for example
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blood sugar (glucose) or amino acids. The lipoproteins, which are far larger, must
be transported across the capillary wall by transcytosis. In this two-stage process,
endocytosis on one side of the cell is followed by exocytosis, that is, by release of
the particles, which occurs on the other side.
While this figure shows transcytosis from the bloodstream to the tissue, the
process actually works in both directions. In this manner, cells in the tissues can
avail themselves of cholesterol carried by circulating LDL, but they can also return
surplus cholesterol through the bloodstream to the liver via other lipoproteins
(HDL).
Transcytosis will also apply to the “corona”-decorated vaccine LNPs and enable
them to reach the tissues in various organs. Reverse transcytosis of vaccine might
contribute to its uptake from the muscle tissue into the circulation after injection
(see below).
2 The Pfizer vaccine pharmacokinetics study on rats
•A “model vaccine” was used—same LNPs, different mRNA (coding for luciferase)
•Cholesterol contained in the LNPs was labeled with radioactivity (3H) for tracing
•The distribution of the lipid between different organs was measured at various
time points following intramuscular injection
This is the key experiment in Pfizer’s animal study [1]. The technical approach used
here is quite common, since radioactivity can be very sensitively and accurately
measured. The radioactively labeled vaccine preparation was injected into rats. The
animals were “sacrificed” (cut up) at various time points after the injection, and the
amount of radioactivity in different organs was measured.
The model protein used in this study was a firefly protein called luciferase. This
is the very protein that permits fireflies to glow in the dark. When the rats’ body
cells take up the mRNA that encodes luciferase and then synthesize the protein,
they, too, will begin to glow in the dark. Light, like radioactivity, is convenient to
measure; the more light that emanates from a given tissue, the more mRNA uptake
and protein synthesis have occurred.3 Therefore, between the radiolabel on the lipid
and the luminescence elicited by luciferase, it was possible to determine both the
distribution of the model vaccine within the body and its biological activity.
2.1 Key data from the lipid distribution study
The first thing to note is that the labeled lipid shows up in the blood plasma after a
very short time. The highest plasma level is reached at two hours after the injection;
however, even after only 15 minutes (0.25 hours) the level already reaches almost
half of that maximal value. Reverse transcytosis might in part account for this
rapid uptake process. A more important factor may be drainage of tissue fluid
3 To generate light, luciferase also requires a specific small-molecule substrate named luciferin
and adenosine triphosphate (ATP). The luminescence assay is therefore more complex and less quan-
titatively accurate than measurements of radioactivity.
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through the lymphatic vessels into the bloodstream. Lymphatic drainage will likely
be accelerated by the acute release of inflammatory mediators within the muscle
tissue. 0
5
10
15
20
25
30
0.25 1 2 4 8 24 48
Lipid equivalent (μg/g)
Time after injection (h)
blood plasma
liver
spleen
ovaries
testes
adrenal glands
As the blood plasma level drops off, the activity rises in several other organs. The
fastest and highest rise is observed in the liver and the spleen. Both of these organs
are rich in macrophages, a cell type that is in charge of clearing particles such as
microbes or the fragments of decayed cells from the bloodstream. Macrophages are
also numerous in the bone marrow, where the vaccine reaches somewhat lower but
still substantial levels (not shown).
While the macrophages are likely responsible for most of the uptake in the spleen,
this may not be the case in the liver. Here, the vaccine likely ends up mostly
in the organ-specific epithelial cells, which are very rich in lipoprotein receptors.
Uptake into the ovaries and into the adrenal glands is most likely also mediated
by lipoprotein receptors. Both organs take up lipoproteins to obtain cholesterol,
which they use as a precursor for producing steroid hormones—corticosteroids in
the adrenal glands, and female sexual hormones (estrogens and progestins) in the
ovaries.
The testes, too, produce sexual hormones (in particular testosterone) from chol-
esterol, but here the accumulation of vaccine lipid is remarkably much lower. The
scientific literature does not offer a full, straightforward explanation for the re-
stricted uptake into the testes, but it may be related to the so-called blood-testes-
barrier. In most other organs examined the levels were similarly low as in the testes.
We note, however, that at least the blood vessels will be affected in every organ and
in every tissue.
2.2 Direct vs. indirect transport of radiolabel to the ovaries
It is noteworthy that the level of radioactivity in the liver rises very fast within
the first eight hours but then stagnates, whereas in the ovaries and the adrenal
glands the rise continues even two full days after the injection. This suggests
that the radioactivity may be redistributed from the liver to these glands. In this
context, we must remember that the LNP component which carried the label was
cholesterol. The labeled cholesterol would behave just like endogenous (unlabeled)
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cholesterol, and after uptake into the liver we would expect it to be recycled and
redistributed to other organs. Cholesterol redistributed from the liver would likely
be unaccompanied by the mRNA. Therefore, the question whether the cholesterol
found in the ovaries is acquired in this indirect manner or through direct uptake of
the vaccine is of considerable importance.
In addition to cholesterol, the vaccine LNPs contain another naturally occuring lipid
(distearoyl-phosphatidylcholine) and two non-natural ones (see below). Thus, we
must ask to what extent these other lipids would undergo redistribution from the
liver and then also accumulate e.g. in the ovaries.
Finally, it must also be noted that the distribution of the vaccine might be affected
by the protein encoded by its mRNA component. If instead of the presumably inert
luciferase enzyme the spike protein had been expressed, this might have affected
vascular integrity, particularly also at the blood brain barrier. This might translate
into increased uptake into other organs, including the central nervous system.
Each of the posed questions could readily have been answered using experiments
similar to those reported by Pfizer—in particular, each of the relevant lipids should
have been radioactively labeled in turn, and the proper mRNA encoding the actual
spike protein should have been used instead of the one encoding luciferase. It
should go without saying that the FDA, the EMA and other regulators should never
have authorized the use of the vaccine without mandating and reviewing thorough
studies of this kind.
2.3 Very slow elimination of the cationic lipid ALC-0315 from rat liver
Of the two non-natural lipids contained in the vaccine LNPs, one (ALC-0315) is
weakly basic, whereas the other (ALC-0159) carries a polyethyleneglycol (PEG) moi-
ety. As just discussed, no comprehensive distribution studies on these lipids were
carried out. However, Pfizer did report the change over time of their concentrations
within the liver. The level of the PEG-modified lipid dropped slowly but regularly
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with time. The other one, however—the cationic lipid ALC-0315—remained at very
high levels at two weeks (336 hours) after the injection. Even after 6 weeks some of
the compound was still detected in liver. As discussed in the preceding section, we
cannot rule out that these synthetic lipids, too, are redistributed from the liver to
other organs, where they might then be stored for even longer periods of time. 0.01
0.1
1
10
100
1000
0.1 1 10 100
Concentration (μg/ml)
Time after injection (h)
Cationic lipid
PEG−modified lipid
You may have heard that some pesticides such as DDT can persist in the human
body for months and even years. This typically occurs with compounds which are
very lipophilic, meaning that they partition into fat droplets within fat tissue and
other organs. As long as the fat within these droplets is not utilized, the chemicals
dissolved within them will be safe from metabolic turnover and degradation. The
cationic lipid ALC-0315 is likely able to accumulate in the same manner. If so, we
can expect persistence for even longer periods of time than evident from this graph
in tissues that have lower metabolic activity than the liver.
2.4 Slow degradation is built into the structure of ALC-0315HO N
O
O
O
O
HO N
OH
OH HO
O
HO
O
2 H2 O
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This topic is rather technical, and it is not necessary for the big picture. If you can’t
make out what this diagram is showing, feel free to skip it.
The structure at the top shows the intact cationic lipid referred to as ALC-0315.
Hydrolysis of the two ester (C(=O)O) bonds produces the three fragments at the
bottom; according to Pfizer’s document, this is the initial step in the degradation
and elimination pathway of this lipid. The following features suggest that inside the
body this step will occur rather slowly:
1. The entire molecule contains no permanent charge and only one ionizable atom
(the nitrogen, N), which is linked to three alkyl chains. Aside from the one polar
hydroxy (OH) group, the entire remainder of the molecule is hydrophobic. This
means that the molecule will partition very strongly not only into lipid bilayers
(membranes) but also into lipid droplets, where it will be effectively hidden from
any degradative enzymes.
2. When this molecule is part of a lipid bilayer, as is the case within the vaccine
LNPs, the two ester bonds will still be buried deep within the hydrophobic por-
tion of that bilayer, which will protect them from hydrolytic cleavage.
3. Hydrolysis of the ester bonds will to some degree be sterically hindered by the
the adjacent branches in the fatty acyl residues.
With the possible exception of the lack of a permanent charge, none of these
features is essential for the desired function of the molecule, namely to release
the mRNA from the vaccine particles after the latter have been taken up into our
body cells. There are many ways in which this molecule could have been modified
for faster degradation in vivo. It is therefore noteworthy that this was not done—
the vaccine was deliberately formulated with a compound that is degraded and
eliminated from the body very slowly. Given that this lipid will most likely stay in our
tissues for months, we must expect cumulative toxicity with repeated vaccination

more at the site, with lovely diagrams .... chilling

[mentalgongfu2]

The best thing about COVID-19/coronavirus thread on RI is I don't even have to go to r/thatHappened to get my disinfo anymore. Poster A asks someone to cite where they are wrong; while poster B composes response, poster A then posts 30 excerpts/screenshots/links over X pages of the same exact stuff to divert from original criticisms. Rinse repeat. By the time poster B can muster a response, Poster A thru G have swamped the thread with so much crap it's impossible to digest let alone rebut if necessary unless one's entire life is this thread. Hence why there are just a few people other than the handful of Wise Men even left attempting to participate.

Nevertheless,

TALLAHASSEE — The head of Florida’s largest hospital association warned that the skyrocketing number of Covid hospitalizations is unlike anything the state has seen before — even as Gov. Ron DeSantis downplays the spike.

The Florida Hospital Association on Monday reported 10,389 Covid-19 hospitalizations, the most statewide during any point in the pandemic. This follows Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reporting over the weekend that the state had more than 21,000 new coronavirus infections on Friday. It was the highest one-day total for Florida, which now makes up roughly one and five new cases nationally.

About 95 percent of those hospitalized are unvaccinated, and Mary Mayhew, the president and CEO of the Florida Hospital Association, said the Delta variant that is sweeping through Florida is infecting young and unvaccinated people and is much different than the previous strain.

“We have to convince 25-year-olds, 30-year-olds that this is now life threatening for them,” Mayhew said during an interview on Morning Joe. “That is not what they saw and what we experienced last year.”

As Florida’s coronavirus infections continue to soar, public health officials and local elected leaders have pressed the DeSantis administration to take more drastic steps to get the virus under control. DeSantis, however, has maintained a strict “no-mandate” approach to the virus, including touting an executive order last week that prohibits school districts from requiring masks in K-12 facilities. He also vowed to fight any cities or municipalities that try to institute Covid restrictions, including mask mandates or lockdowns.

[Harvey]

The best thing about COVID-19/coronavirus thread on RI is I don't even have to go to r/thatHappened to get my disinfo anymore. Poster A asks someone to cite where they are wrong; while poster B composes response, poster A then posts 30 excerpts/screenshots/links over X pages of the same exact stuff to divert from original criticisms. Rinse repeat. By the time poster B can muster a response, Poster A thru G have swamped the thread with so much crap it's impossible to digest let alone rebut if necessary unless one's entire life is this thread. Hence why there are just a few people other than the handful of Wise Men even left attempting to participate.

Nevertheless,

TALLAHASSEE — The head of Florida’s largest hospital association warned that the skyrocketing number of Covid hospitalizations is unlike anything the state has seen before — even as Gov. Ron DeSantis downplays the spike.

The Florida Hospital Association on Monday reported 10,389 Covid-19 hospitalizations, the most statewide during any point in the pandemic. This follows Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reporting over the weekend that the state had more than 21,000 new coronavirus infections on Friday. It was the highest one-day total for Florida, which now makes up roughly one and five new cases nationally.

About 95 percent of those hospitalized are unvaccinated, and Mary Mayhew, the president and CEO of the Florida Hospital Association, said the Delta variant that is sweeping through Florida is infecting young and unvaccinated people and is much different than the previous strain.

“We have to convince 25-year-olds, 30-year-olds that this is now life threatening for them,” Mayhew said during an interview on Morning Joe. “That is not what they saw and what we experienced last year.”

As Florida’s coronavirus infections continue to soar, public health officials and local elected leaders have pressed the DeSantis administration to take more drastic steps to get the virus under control. DeSantis, however, has maintained a strict “no-mandate” approach to the virus, including touting an executive order last week that prohibits school districts from requiring masks in K-12 facilities. He also vowed to fight any cities or municipalities that try to institute Covid restrictions, including mask mandates or lockdowns.

That is interesting. To know how that affects your argument, I'd have to actually know what it is. As a matter of spiritual and intellectual hygiene I never take anything any CEO has to say at face value, but I'm assuming (perhaps wrongly) you see this as an argument for doubling down on the so called 'vaccines.'

If you'd read the PDF linked to immediately above your post, you'd have glimpsed a product almost completely at odds with its stated purpose. Nobody in their informed mind would agree to have the Moderna and Pfizer so-called vaccines put inside their bodies, because they'd be agreeing to a long-term chemical shotgun blast, with debatable positive effects.

As we've seen everywhere else, as 'vaccination' levels rise, so do 'cases' of the 'delta-variant' against seasonal variations and Florida is at 52% vaccinated. I'm not sure how this proves that people should further agree to poison themselves. Please recall, the premise at the beginning of all this was that no treatment was available for Covid19 therefore a potentially rushed, experimental and previously unsuccessful 'vaccine' technology was breathlessly considered to be 'the only hope.'

This premise, while excusable at the beginning, is a lie today, a lie that is compounded daily. There are at least two known effective treatments (arguably three) which are coincidentally, also cost effective. So, just as we should ask, why would people shut themselves away (lockdown) from sunlight (vitamin D) to fight a cold or flu-like illness, why would anyone double down on unproven 'vaccines', with known mechanisms for death and long term injury (see PDF above) when the emergency rationale for using them, without testing or trials, is now well understood to no longer apply? I'm asking for a friend.

If you really are advocating for faith based medicine, in terms of risk versus effectiveness wouldn't you be better off visiting a homeopath?

[Belligerent Savant]

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Homeopath? Dear Harvey, you are communicating with an individual who quoted a CEO interviewed on 'Morning Joe'. Surely, given the depths he plumbed to dig up that uncited piece, he'll be the first to remark on the quackery of homeopathy!

He -- and others here -- would surely agree with Merkel on this piece:

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/08/03/ge ... -injuries/

German chief pathologist sounds alarm on fatal vaccine injuries



The director of the Pathological Institute of the University of Heidelberg, Peter Schirmacher, has carried out over forty autopsies on people who had died within two weeks of their vaccination. Schirmacher expressed alarm over his findings.


The regional daily Augsburger Allgemeine reported: “Schirmacher assumes that 30 to 40 percent of them died from the vaccination. In his opinion, the frequency of fatal consequences of vaccinations is underestimated – a politically explosive statement in times when the vaccination campaign is losing momentum, the Delta variant is spreading rapidly and restrictions on non-vaccinated people are being discussed.”

The Merkel administration quickly moved to respond to this “politically explosive” statement from Heidelberg. According to the German Press Agency (dpa), the Paul Ehrlich Institute announced that Schirmacher’s statements were “incomprehensible”. The Chancellor’s lackey, senior German immunologist Thomas Mertens dismissed the findings right away: “I don’t know of any data that would allow a justifiable statement to be made here and I am not assuming an unreported number.”

The immunologist Christian Bogdan from the Erlangen University Hospital, member of the Standing Vaccination Commission (STIKO), also contradicted Schirmacher’s assumption of a “high number of unreported vaccination complications or even deaths”.

The pathologist however received support from his own ranks, and the Federal Association of German Pathologists stated that more autopsies of vaccinated people who died within a certain time frame after vaccination should be performed.

The head of the “Autopsy Working Group” in this association wanted to make general practitioners and health authorities aware of this. In other words, doctors of the patients who die within a few days or weeks after vaccination should apply for an autopsy in case of doubt or the health authorities should take action.

The Federal Association of Pathologists had already requested this in March in a letter to Health Minister Jens Spahn (CDU), but it went unanswered.

Schirmacher’s warning could of course ruin a multi-digit long-term billion-dollar business for various pharmaceutical companies, while the already low willingness to get the jab in the remaining unvaccinated group could further decrease dramatically and ultimately the entire pandemic strategy of the federal government could unravel.

But the seriousness and reputation of the director of the Pathological Institute at the University of Heidelberg are unassailable.

Schirmacher himself is already leading an autopsy project on people who have died from Covid-19, which is subsidized by the state. He himself then expanded the focus and also autopsied more than 40 deceased vaccinated people. Even if his results are only a snapshot, it is a dramatic one: 30 to 40 percent died from the vaccination itself. The pathologist cited “rare, severe side effects of the vaccination – such as cerebral vein thrombosis or autoimmune diseases”.

Schirmacher responded to the criticism from some colleagues. He denied a lack of competence: “The colleagues are definitely wrong because they cannot assess this specific question competently.” Moreover, he has not tried to spread panic, and he is not an opponent of vaccinations – Schirmacher himself has been vaccinated.

The Robert Koch Institute meanwhile refers to the regular safety reports of the Paul Ehrlich Institute on its website. However, should it become apparent in the coming weeks that politics, science and the media are campaigning against Schirmacher and his alarming results are being completely ignored, it would be another red flag regarding the safety of the products.

Twitter meanwhile suspended the account of former New York Times science correspondent Alex Berenson for sharing details of a Pfizer clinical trial with similar findings which completely obliterates the narrative of the political establishment.

According to Pfizer: “During the blinded, controlled period, 15 BNT162b2 and 14 placebo recipients died; during the open-label period, 3 BNT162b2 and 2 original placebo recipients who received BNT162b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators.” It stated that the causes of death were balanced between BNT162b2 and placebo groups: 15 people who took the vaccine died and 14 people who took the placebo died.

But tons of people who were in the placebo group have now taken the jab, thus “the trial blind is broken now” and “this is all the data we will ever have,” Berenson pointed out.

Theory:

The escalated push for mass-scale 'vaccine' mandates is a means to greatly diminish the control group, which in turn, makes it far easier to tie any future illness to covid or its (real and/or conjured) variants. 'Vaccine'-related injury or deaths will be whitewashed, as they've been.

As Harvey mentioned, there are other effective (but suppressed) treatments available. Even if only a fraction of the adverse effects are tied to these shots, in any prior time in history they'd be at least temporarily recalled. Here the situation is exacerbated in that new experimental technology is being implemented and deployed wide-scale after minimal trials.

They won't be recalled, however. As we can clearly see, the conditioning/brainwashing/barrage of nonstop propaganda has been too effective. Millions are clamoring for these shots as their salvation, despite growing demonstrable evidence the shots are not nearly as effective as advertised, and in all probability, will cause harm in the long-term, at least for a sizable segment of the populace.
And what do you get for complying? Temporary access to travel and commerce, until such time that the (relatively brief) 'efficacy' lifecycle of your shot expires -- within approx 6 months or so -- and you are then required to take boosters, yearly, to maintain your 'access' to society.

And people here, in this obscure forum, continue to subscribe to this and mock those that question it!

It's only worse outside these forum walls.

What a world.

[Belligerent Savant]

https://twitter.com/MrsT106/status/1422 ... 24481?s=20

The editor-in-chief of Germany’s top newspaper Bild has apologized for the news outlet’s fear-driven coverage of COVID, specifically to children who were told “that they were going to murder their grandma.”

In a speech delivered to camera, Julian Reichelt said sorry for Bild’s coverage which was “like poison” and “made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society.”

Reichelt directed his main sentiment towards children who have been terrorized by fearmongering media coverage which has caused child depression and suicides to soar across the world.

“To the millions of children in this country for whom our society is responsible, I want to express here what neither our government nor our Chancellor dares to tell you. We ask you to forgive us,” he said.

“Forgive us for this policy which, for a year and a half, has made you victims of violence, neglect, isolation, and loneliness.”

“We persuaded our children that they were going to murder their grandma if they dared to be what they are, children. Or if they met their friends. None of this has been scientifically proven.”

“When a state steals the rights of a child, it must prove that by doing so it protects him against concrete and imminent danger. This proof has never been provided. It has been replaced by propaganda presenting the child as a vector of the pandemic.”

Reichelt noted how moderate voices who attempted to offer calmer perspectives on the pandemic “were never invited to the expert table” and urged viewers “don’t believe this lie,” when encountering alarmist proclamations from the government.

The journalist called on authorities to open schools and sports halls instead of polling stations, warning that those who imposed brutal lockdown measures, “will have on their conscience and will leave in the history books, a multitude of innocent souls.”

Bild has a daily circulation of 1.24 million copies and is the best-selling newspaper in Europe, adding even more weight to this story.

[Wombaticus Rex]

A small dot of courage, and it will take a lot more to admit that 1) lockdowns accomplished very little aside from flexing state power and destroying local economies and 2) the current line of vaccines have failed to eradicate the spread of what was already a global pandemic before they debuted.

I suspect there won't be much more courage on display, especially here in the United States, and our ruling class will just run the same script again. Deeply hope to be proven wrong here.

[DrEvil]

The same unattributed stuff you post at RI at times. Someone is creating and distributing this material and you are caught up in their net.

You mean all those quotes and charts that have the sources right next to them? All the data from the CDC and other health organizations?

Revealing, isn't it?

They don't even look at, let alone analyze, the data shared here that counters the primary narratives. If they did, it'd be quite clear from the onset that most of the charts/data points I've shared here are sourced from the CDC/other health orgs/NY Times/science journals, etc.

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Would that be the same people you loudly and repeatedly say can't be trusted because they're all lying all the time?

As an example of what I think OP was referring to: your continued pushing of VAERS numbers as official tallies. They're not. People (me) have told you so over and over again, even quoting directly from the VAERS site where they explain why they're not official tallies (your response to that: you can't trust them), yet you keep doing it.

And I'm guessing you don't see the irony in claiming that data from the sources you mention helps you counter the narrative from the same sources.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Where did I type VAERS are the "official" tallies? You continually misrepresent and keep missing the larger glaring issues here.

Please cite where I suggested VAERS data is to be considered "official". I believe in the past I responded with something along the lines of: what do you think the margin of error is? 5%? 20%? Even if you reduce the totals to 50% below what VAERS is reporting they'd still be egregious, or at the very least, worthy of attention by all news media outlets. Why isn't it mentioned at all?

Do I have to re-share that early 80s-era 60 minutes clip with Mike Wallace, where he grills the CDC director about the (comparatively far fewer) adverse reactions to the Swine Flu vaccines doled out in 1976? Why hasn't anything like that happened now in the press? Why does this even have to be spelled out?

The extent of the denial is fascinating to observe.

There are other sources -- and medical professionals, doctors, scientists -- that are raising grave concerns about vaccine side effects. It's simply suppressed and/or kept out of most -- if not all -- mainstream channels and social media.

But your retort is that it's not "official". Yet you never address the content itself, or the clear issues the data points raise, "official" or not.

Of course, the "official" numbers as presented by govt agencies are often misleading and highly selective -- but you accept them dutifully, right? I welcome your assessment, if any, of the official tallies.

And here again, you continue to paint an overly simplistic, and erroneous, presentation of my take on Establishment media. Here, let me remind you:

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(Telling -- and not surprising -- that you're quick to question the authenticity of a single individual, expressing herself with no apparent financial gain, but not the merits of the claims put forth by establishment news/govts/bureaucratic entities, all experiencing significant gains from perpetuating falsehoods and fear. So many tools like you out there)

Millions of lives and livelihoods have been devastated due to outright lies and crimes against humanity as you double-down on stupidity and false claims.

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All that aside, you've yet to counter ANY of the content in the piece she authored, which as mentioned previously, is corroborated by links to establishment press articles, science journals, and CDC-sourced content.

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So if the contents of the piece are corroborated by the very sources propagating what you claim to be "outright lies and crimes against humanity", does that mean she's full of shit too?

If official sources and mainstream media are all full of shit and lying through their teeth, by extension every argument that uses their information as a source is suspect, but you don't treat it that way. Information you like is solid evidence (look at the scary VAERS numbers!), information you don't like is lies (excess deaths are bogus!).

You either trust them or you don't. If you go around cherry-picking you're just a hypocrite with no interest in honest arguments.

Evil, do you really accept your own edict that we must accept everything or nothing? Really? Have you been present during any of the 20th century? Is 21st century public relations strategy really terra incognita to you?

Have you verified for yourself how much exposure the specific points referenced in the article receive in mainstream versus how much interference and obfuscation they receive from mainstream? Are you really ignorant of how much the mainstream narrative has buried whatever truth's have escaped? Are you really the babe in the woods you want us to believe you are?

Are you really as helpless as you seem?

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To address DrEvil's half-baked strawman argument, I typed the below back in 2019, on another thread, which is pertinent here (quoted below).

It's amazing this needs to be spelled out, but there is value in establishment press reporting if one applies discernment to their assessment. You are wholly misrepresenting my position.

My primary objection, in simplest terms, is the manner in which so many simply absorb/passively accept information at face value with little, if any, filtering or discernment or due diligence.

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The objections raised with respect to MSM links in RI aren't with the links themselves, of course, but in the posting of such material at face value, without a hint of scrutiny or suggestion that said material tends to be suspect/littered with mis/disinfo, etc.

On the other hand, mainstream/intel agency-tainted sources can often provide hints of useful information, or minimally, a means for gleaning insight into intent, if parsed with this understanding in mind. It can be valuable to a thread when framed accordingly.

But when presented at face value, it merely acts as the propaganda that it is, which is why it would get frowned upon here in RI. As a group, we know better, or should know better. Unless, of course, the perpetrator is attempting to troll, or is blinded by their bias.

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[Belligerent Savant]

Deeply hope to be proven wrong here.

Likewise. But hope has fucked us before.

[stickdog99]

The same unattributed stuff you post at RI at times. Someone is creating and distributing this material and you are caught up in their net.

You mean all those quotes and charts that have the sources right next to them? All the data from the CDC and other health organizations?

Yes, the conversations about this are hard to have, largely because so many people (not all here) insist on parroting the narratives from big pharma and government sources. Never in my life have I seen such a magnificent job of brainwashing the masses into believing whatever stupid garbage they want to spread?

Wear a double mask? Of course St. Fauci.

I teased a little brownshirt employee who stood at the front door to a local Meijer grocery chain store immediately after the little Mussolini made his pronouncement about how we should all start wearing double masks. She very loudly promoted the fact she is because Fauci said so. I could only laugh at her which pissed her off, but she can f*k off. Won't see her again until the fascist corporate America, with help from the brainwashed enforce more mask wearing.

What the f*k happened to common sense any longer? Did everyone just lose theirs? Not necessarily referring to here, but overall public.

I believe almost NOTHING from government officials or the mainstream media regarding the scam demic and the vaccines. Why should anybody? They've been lying to us and change their minds on things over and over and over. If it wasn't for the fact all of this has a major impact on our lives I would ignore as sheeple being sheeple. The fact is lockdown was BAD. Mask wearing is a joke and does little if nothing and possibly actually is BAD to wear all the time. The vaccines are experimental and causing harm to thousands. People act like mindless drones repeating verbatim the shit they hear on TV for from a Pfizer marketing wonk. Do people on this board actually expect us to believe the marketing garbage that comes out of the mouth of big pharma or "scientists" or "researchers" who are paid off by big pharma and Bill Gates? Or that twerp Scott Gottlieb who used to run the FDA but now sits on the board of Pfizer?

Since when did corporate fascism become acceptable on RI? We're still debating the pathetic theatrics of Jan. 6 and unable to have a consensus on any of the stuff that impacts how we fucking breathe? LITERALLY, HOW WE BREATHE!!! Add to that hugging, smiling and congregating.

And yes, I"m full of indignation and sick of those who diminish how people are outraged by it all. Don't like, then ban me like the twatters and facebags. Or just put me on ignore.

OMG I just want to puke.

Another member of the Snowflake Squad.

I did not say all, said at times.

The well-attributed sources are typically misinterpreted. That is one reason why I can tell Belligerent Savant has no serious science background.

We face multiple competing sources of fascism. My opinion has been that neoconservatism and neoliberalism are competing forms of fascism. And what about Christo-fascists too and all the others?

You don't think everyone isn't unhappy, feeling bad, getting unhealthy, and just in general missing life because of the pandemic?

Unfortunately, the best chance was to nip the spread in the bud and that did not occur. What is happening now is the product of the failure to nip in the bud.

Maybe it was not even possible to nip the spread of cv19 but many of us were unwilling to try. Probably even if successful, there are other countries too. The USA claims the most infections but I suspect that is just because we have more reporting infrastructure per capita compared to say India, Brazil, China, or Russia.

Now the disagreements are tearing us apart as a society though I suspect what is out in the open was there latent. Already the rends look to be past the point of repair.

Suspect the pandemic is just the beginning, preparing the battlefield.

OK. OK.

Except that I want to believe what you believe. And I want you to convince me.

But I need some data and evidence. Or at least some rational reasons why I should stop worrying and learn to love masks, lockdowns, and especially experimental vaccines.

I am literally begging anyone here to help me see the light. Can you help me see it your way? Can you actually explain why I should see this your way?

[stickdog99]

The same unattributed stuff you post at RI at times. Someone is creating and distributing this material and you are caught up in their net.

You mean all those quotes and charts that have the sources right next to them? All the data from the CDC and other health organizations?

Revealing, isn't it?

They don't even look at, let alone analyze, the data shared here that counters the primary narratives. If they did, it'd be quite clear from the onset that most of the charts/data points I've shared here are sourced from the CDC/other health orgs/NY Times/science journals, etc.

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Would that be the same people you loudly and repeatedly say can't be trusted because they're all lying all the time?

As an example of what I think OP was referring to: your continued pushing of VAERS numbers as official tallies. They're not. People (me) have told you so over and over again, even quoting directly from the VAERS site where they explain why they're not official tallies (your response to that: you can't trust them), yet you keep doing it.

And I'm guessing you don't see the irony in claiming that data from the sources you mention helps you counter the narrative from the same sources.

They have never been official anything by design. But do you have any data that suggest that these are not by far the most dangerous vaccines ever widely distributed?

[Harvey]

If you can get the mark to invest, you've got him all the way. Once we've put that shit in our bodies, we're fully invested. When they tell us an expensive booster is required every few months, then we're renting our continued survival as far as we know, for the rest of our lives. Basic psychology. No reason or evidence is worth a damn after that.

"If they could rent the air we breathe..."

I am ashamed to be human.