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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby OccultariSafari » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:59 pm

MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:43 pm wrote:Thanks, OS. Am I right in saying that no film footage of this alleged two-sided "shootout" was ever broadcast anywhere, either live or later on?

If it wasn't in fact a shootout, but a one-way slaughter of the couple by the cops, then there must be film somewhere that shows it. Presumably it's now in the FBI's "anti-terrorism" files, or in the FBI's incinerator.


Hey MacCruiskeen. Yes, you are correct. There is zero footage (from what I am aware) of a simultaneous front and back firefight. We have a grainy, slow pursuit video, then the shot up vehicle.

The strange thing to me is that the SUV is definitely fucked from all sides with bullets Godfather tollbooth level. Had to have happened right quick while the helicopter was fixed on that Honda running into the pickup full of bottled water.

This whole thing is a massive rabbit hole.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:03 pm

OccultariSafari » 10 Dec 2015 23:59 wrote:
MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:43 pm wrote:Thanks, OS. Am I right in saying that no film footage of this alleged two-sided "shootout" was ever broadcast anywhere, either live or later on?

If it wasn't in fact a shootout, but a one-way slaughter of the couple by the cops, then there must be film somewhere that shows it. Presumably it's now in the FBI's "anti-terrorism" files, or in the FBI's incinerator.


Hey MacCruiskeen. Yes, you are correct. There is zero footage (from what I am aware) of a simultaneous front and back firefight. We have a grainy, slow pursuit video, then the shot up vehicle.

The strange thing to me is that the SUV is definitely fucked from all sides with bullets Godfather tollbooth level. Had to have happened right quick while the helicopter was fixed on that Honda running into the pickup full of bottled water.

This whole thing is a massive rabbit hole.


And I love the reporter talking about San Bernardino Ave (where the "action" was taking place), then asking, "Can we go with that?"

The answer was obviously no, because he then kept talking about and keeping the camera on the accident that he already knew was not the main event.

It is amazing how well these things are choreographed. Can't get that chopper filming the scene until you have the official sign off to proceed. The people the media "serve" have the right to know exactly as much as they want us to know.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:05 pm

countercurrentnews said:

He recently told reporters he received a phone call from an unknown person around 7 p.m., on the evening of the shooting, who told him that he must say that Sayd Farook was the shooter.


Except Chirs Nwadike doesn't say that the caller "told him that he must say" anything.

The writer, "M. David," apparently just made that up because Nwadike's real words weren't juicy enough; "told him that he must say" is what makes the article sexy; without it, the writer has nothing special. So he sexed it up. You see what I'm saying here?

Nor does Nwadike say that Farook didn't do it, but rather, when told it was Farook—probably by an acquaintence from work (countercurrent implies that a mysterious, unknown person called...wooo!)—he expressed surprise and perhaps some genuine doubt that Farook would do such a thing. (Perfectly reasonable surprise, not questioning that.)

That website is at least "a bit dubious" because that's the kind of 'evidence inflation' and sloppy re-characterizations of what people say, what a photograph shows, etc.—that is totally counterproductive and adds to the damned noise we're supposed to be sniffing out when other people do it.

Despite the maddening noise from the conspiratainment & slipshod research sectors—as if the MSM's noise is not bad enough—I'm now 99% convinced of a false flag setup by deep state Gladio types (not to exclude private contractors and/or foreign intel e.g. mossad). My objection here is not to that thesis, but to the sloppy repetition of bullshit just because it reinforces what a poster already thinks. I'm pleading for more rigor and better discernment.

I did take a close look & listen to the video, several times, and he never says he was 'told what he must say.'

Isn't repeating those kinds of completely made-up or imagined clues—which is what "told him that he must say" is—exactly the kind of misinfo* that we're supposed to be alert to? Do we not condemn the gullible media and national audience for swallowing completely made-up or imagined clues?

If we're going to judiciously study these events, I'd like to see some higher analytical standards. Without them, "history's actors" have every right to pat themselves on the back and laugh their asses off at us.


* (in this case, I assume that "M. David" is not a deep state asset, just an idiot)


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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:15 pm

That's precisely why I took the trouble to describe that website as dubious, Elvis. I barely glanced at it, but went straight to the LA Times video published there, and then re-published it here, taking the trouble to write a short note about why I find that piece of very prominent pseudo-reporting so remarkable disgraceful and so instructive.

We are not here to discuss the quality or reliability of Countercurrent News or the Bumfuck Post or any other "alternative" site. It is not the point at issue and therefore merely a distraction in the context of this thread.

EDIT: I say that with all due liking and respect, Elvis. And of course crap from any source should be called crap and dismissed.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stoneonstone » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:35 pm

When I saw that the so called 'third witness to three white shooter' was on an Alex Jones link, I disregarded it. To date TWO witnesses have come forward with that observation, with their names: Sally Abdelmageed, and Juan Fernandez.

But, of course, no follow-up.

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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:47 pm

MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:15 pm wrote:That's precisely why I took the trouble to describe that website as dubious, Elvis.


Yes, I noticed and appreciated that.

We are not here to discuss the quality or reliability of Countercurrent News or the Bumfuck Post or any other "alternative" site. It is not the point at issue and therefore merely a distraction in the context of this thread.


It would be great to stick to the point at issue, but the worse distraction is bogus 'evidence' which does become an issue when it's introduced here, not only without critical comment on its glaring falsity, but eagerly gobbled up as more 'proof.'


I say that with all due liking and respect, Elvis.


I'm honored and the feeling is mutual, and I don't want these avoidable side issues to obstruct the main inquiry.


And of course crap from any source should be called crap and dismissed.


Agreed, and that's why I posted what I posted.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby SonicG » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:51 pm

Here is the original CBS transcript with Abdelmageed's claim that she "clearly" saw "three gunmen":
https://archive.org/details/WBZ_2015120 ... 80/end/840

Even Rush Limbaugh is getting in on the action but takes the other tact:
This was not, you know, an oddball terrorist couple. This was a cell. They had a lot of people gathering ammunition, working on planning, driving other people around. It's not what we've been told it is. It was not a couple "radicalized" who met on a dating site. The active theory now is that it was an arranged marriage by terrormasters and that they had, after the arranged marriage, a mission, and the San Bernardino attack was the mission -- and it may have been more, we don't know. Third shooter? Who, what, when, where, why? Is there one? Was there one?
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/ ... o_cover_up


So is this a bottom of the barrel terror cell? A small lady and a rather confused Walmart employee? Obviously the real badasses are still waiting to be activated....
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Nordic » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:34 pm

I may have missed it if already posted, but anyway here is the Juan Fernandez video again talking about three men in military fatigues.

https://youtu.be/s45OeXNRZng

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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby backtoiam » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:48 pm

There was a time when hunting down even the fine crucial details was absolutely critical in an attempt to understand if we were actually seeing the mind numbing possibility that these events were being staged in some form.

This thing just jumped the shark a while back. It is happening. Without question. Following the patterns of drills and then some of details that follow let us know that. This pattern is very distinct and it cannot be denied.

Chasing the fine details is still very desirable because it helps to keep cracking open the book of signs and details of how to spot these events, but at this point lacking a couple of those does not erase this huge pattern at all.

It is happening. I have known this for a lonnggggg time. I watch very closely for associated details in the outside perimeter of these events for things such as legislation being silently passed and other markers. For instance the legislation was just passed in the last couple of days to deny travel visas based on a person's tax debt to the IRS.

There are also some things I have been watching on this refugee immigration thing and I have found some tid bits on that such as military contractors that will be involved for their profit, and the laws that might result in the aftermath of it.

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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Nordic » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:11 am

Joshua Tartokovsky on Facebook:


I've been to Donetsk, to Brazil, to Cuba. I haven't been to Syria.
Things globally are very bad. And the dangers of US imperialism and of US capitalism imposing a global dictatorship have never been greater.
The US hegemony is seeking to crush every pocket of resistance. Look at what is happening in Brazil.
Erdogan's Turkey is far from being naive or accidental. Erdogan is doing his part very well to bring NATO into direct confrontation with Russia and World War III.
Western Capitalism is moving into feudalism and dictatorship. The middle class is shrinking. And now suddenly we hear of sinister plans to take people's guns away so they won't be able to resist martial law if placed. Western democracy is an illusion, in case you did not notice. Look at how UK and Germany just authorized rapidly a war against Syria. Look at Portugal and Greece.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby backtoiam » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:20 am

All I can say at this point to the people in this country that have been led far astray into believing that peoples genitals, skin color, and sexual persuasion were the problem is this.....congratulations. While you were distracted you got surrounded. You're looking at it...Better wake up.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby backtoiam » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:33 am

Read this bullshit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... is-UK.html

Do you honestly believe that they hated these people so bad that they bombed them into damn stone age and then suddenly felt so much empathy for them that they would allow them to roam the country unchecked and create mayhem? Really? Seriously?

And who knows if even a fraction of these people have really been allowed to come? Where is the nonstop aerial helicopter footage of this catastrophe and interviews from reporters lurking on the edges of it? Where is the nonstop evidence of all this?

Suppose it is true that this many people have been allowed or will be allowed in and then put into a situation this desperate. Really? If so why? Are they planning to turn these desperate people loose on you?

This whole thing stinks and makes no sense. So they plan to bring 100,000 to the U.S. that can't speak English and would not be able to find a job with this unemployment rate, keep them living in squallor, because they now suddenly love these people they just bombed into the stone age? Seriously?

WTF can't even touch this bullshit....
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby tapitsbo » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:47 am

Nordic » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:11 am wrote:Joshua Tartokovsky on Facebook:


I've been to Donetsk, to Brazil, to Cuba. I haven't been to Syria.
Things globally are very bad. And the dangers of US imperialism and of US capitalism imposing a global dictatorship have never been greater.
The US hegemony is seeking to crush every pocket of resistance. Look at what is happening in Brazil.
Erdogan's Turkey is far from being naive or accidental. Erdogan is doing his part very well to bring NATO into direct confrontation with Russia and World War III.
Western Capitalism is moving into feudalism and dictatorship. The middle class is shrinking. And now suddenly we hear of sinister plans to take people's guns away so they won't be able to resist martial law if placed. Western democracy is an illusion, in case you did not notice. Look at how UK and Germany just authorized rapidly a war against Syria. Look at Portugal and Greece.
This is not a time for idealistic expectations, perfectionism, for over thinking, for wasting time, for being indecisive, for criticizing about things which do not fit into a puritan vision of things.
This is the time for thorough, comprehensive cutting-analysis, for forging partnerships with anyone who resists global dominion, for working to educate the public, for resisting.
We have no time to lose.


By all means, I appreciate criticism of the BRICS bloc and learning more about issues with those countries (there seem to be a lot of these.)

What is harder for me to understand is the stream of supposedly independent and leftist voices continuing to assert that the BRICS and their allies deserve to be defeated the US-centered bloc of powers, or that the US bloc is somehow so preferable that discussion of the differences on each side are out of the question.

Nobody can be unbiased. I expect distortions from media like the Guardian (obviously Murdoch-tier propaganda is much worse) but it's jarring to encounter the unconditional support for the US and its culture among people who are supposedly open-minded, well-informed, and intelligent.

I think the ideal is that people around the world should not be forced to take sides. It should be okay to criticize both sides. And in the big picture there is some truth to the idea that "one power" (capitalist oligarchs) made up of the same small group of individuals controls both sides and has pitted them against each other.

But criticizing, for example the American "war machine" doesn't mean a lot from somebody if they still insist American norms and leadership should be observed around the word, and refer to any break with American dominated institutions as "fascist".

Of course I live in an Anglosphere country dominated by the USA - I can see up close how the more institutions and the general population double down on the current system (which is extremist in a global context), the harder the fall will be when it finally caves out. For now I'm just glad that the Stephen Harper government is gone.


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Backtoiam, what you're saying about the contradiction between the cruelty of bombing Middle Easterners and having empathy for refugees only "doesn't make sense" at the high level of the relatively small number of players co-ordinating these events. Most people working in "empathic" institutions genuinely believe they are working against warfare, violence, etc. or have a doublethink justification for what's going on. In many cases they actually are working for genuinely good causes although this gets blurred when we're talking about things like the ecosystem of NGOs kool maudit talked about interacting with in Africa (I've personally met many people who have told similar stories to theirs.)
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:05 am

I cannot disagree with any post on this page.

The refugees will be let in. And if they are not disaffected and/or energetic enough to cause terror organically, the terror will be created anyway and blamed on them. And the false divisions between the have nots will multiply. And the hatred of some poor sheep for other poor sheep of different "sects" will intensify. And the corporate media will do its best to coronate a fascist savior.

And bullshit conspiratainment sites do us no favors in fighting against what we all know they have been carefully planning for us for decades now. Complete commodification and control of land, water, air, food, energy, human health, human interaction, and human cooperation. Total information awareness. Profitable mayhem that keeps us begging for order at any cost.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby identity » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:17 am

stickdog99 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:05 pm wrote:The refugees will be let in. And if they are not disaffected and/or energetic enough to cause terror organically, the terror will be created anyway and blamed on them. And the false divisions between the have nots will multiply. And the hatred of some poor sheep for other poor sheep of different "sects" will intensify. And the corporate media will do its best to coronate a fascist savior.

And bullshit conspiratainment sites do us no favors in fighting against what we all know they have been carefully planning for us for decades now. Complete commodification and control of land, water, air, food, human interaction, and human cooperation. Total information awareness. Profitable mayhem that keeps us begging for order at any cost.


Sounds like a (business) plan.
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