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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:37 pm



If you watch the video, you will see this image

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of the SUV from which the couple supposedly engaged in a firefight with the police before the police feel secure to approach the vehicle. One body, not two, is dead in the street.

The windows are either shot out or rolled up, which suggests that nobody in the car was engaging in any firefight. And both the front and back seat driver's side doors are opened, which suggests that there was something the driver wanted to get out of the back seat (wife or gun?).

Toward the end of the video, Bearcat vehicles approach the SUV and the announcer informs us that that there may be another suspect dead inside the SUV. Can anyone find the rest of this feed?

Putting this together with the picture of the dead woman on the street with her bare legs exposed, it appears that she was dragged out of the backseat and set face down on the street.

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In the above photo, it looks as if the back seat window is intact and rolled up.

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The above view from the other side also shows a shot out front seat passenger window, but an intact rear window, two people sitting in the front of the car and expert snipers trying to take both of them out.

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The above portrait quality after the fact photo clearly shows the read driver's side window is rolled up and intact.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:35 pm

So you say you want some actual evidence that this couple actually committed the crimes of which they have been convicted by the establishment and corporate media?

Maybe you would like to see:

*a picture or video of the wife shooting people or at least armed and ready to shoot people,

*multiple eyewitnesses who confirm that a woman was one of the three tall white male shooters that the original eyewitnesses reported,

*a picture or video of the wife participating in a firefight with the police,

*multiple on the record interviews of the police heroes who subdued the couple in the firefight,

*an interview with the mental patient who boright the assault rifles used explaining how the Farooks got them,

*something more than a deleted Facebook entry posted to someone else's account by someone somewhere to tie the couple to ISIS, and/or

*some explanation as to why the shredded documents, IDs and passport photos of the perps were not worthy of forensic FBI investigation into the second worst Muslim terror attack on US soll ever and the worst since 9/11?

Well, that will not be forthcoming. But how about if we get a Republican Congressman to leak some innuendo about a supposed plot that never took place? Would that convince you to stop questioning this event?

More hilarity!

WASHINGTON: California shooter Syed Farook plotted an attack with an accomplice three years ago but got “cold feet” after a wave of US counterterrorism arrests, a senator said Wednesday.

A longtime friend and neighbour of Farook’s, Enrique Marquez, told investigators of their aborted plot, said Senator James Risch, who sits on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

“He has admitted that in 2012 they had something in mind and they didn’t do it because there had been some immediate arrests by the counterterrorism people,” Risch told CNN.

“And as a result of that they got cold feet.”

The precise nature or target of the plot was unclear, Risch said.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:40 pm

I want Enrique's email address.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:09 pm

Syed Farook and his wife are innocent, they were framed and murdered while the killers escaped, and their graves are now being spat on by the planet's rulers and the fine gentlemen (and ladies) of the press, so that the War on Terror can continue to expand as it enters its fifteenth year.

Seven days on, no other conclusion is possible for anyone who is still paying even the slightest attention. Not an ounce of serious evidence has been presented against them.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:31 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:I was referring to the part about the guns and the SUV supposedly used by Farook and his wife being standard government-issue for those who just happened to have been mobilized in advance to respond first (including the ATF), about the eyewitnesses' accounts of three tall, "athletic" men, the drills and the run-up to the event, including the mysterious ad for actors who must sign confidentiality agreements for a job that would take place on December 2, 2015, and the fact that the contact number in that ad had been disconnected for a long time before, and after, the run-up to the event.


I'm coming around fast, and yes there are some very worthy and salient points in the video, but the presenter's rigor—so critically important—falls down with some of his claims and interpretations. Once you start adding in too many questionable dots, the whole framework suffers.

I'm not sure how "standard issue" the (allegedly) seized AR-15s are; the presenter shows a bunch of similar-looking AR-15s and my feeling was, "so what?" Commercially available AR-15s can be 'tricked out' with readily available accessories. The presenter makes a big deal out of the strap, which can be purchased at most sporting goods stores.

There is one curious thing about the AR-15s in question and the story behind them (supposedly the neighbor purchased them at a local gun shop, yes?): the foregrips. The legality of putting a foregrip on an AR-15 is iffy, but the bottom line is, I don't think any storefront gun seller in the U.S. would offer an AR-15 pre-fitted with a foregrip; not worth the hassle or even prosecution from ATF. That said, Farook and/or the neighbor could have added the foregrip after the rifle was purchased.

As to the car, yeah—I'm still waiting to hear why the couple would have rented an SUV. And that brings up another sorta goofy claim about the SUV: the flashers; all cars have them, duh.

And yes, totally agree about the value of witnesses reporting three tall men! Comparing with the Paris witness accounts suggests a pattern of white-skinned men carrying out shootings that are immediately blamed on brown-skinned Muslims.

The Craigslist ad is a bit odd for sure, I'd say. Perhaps Nordic knows whether or not So Cal casting calls ever demand a non-disclosure agreement? (Mr. Nordic... Mr. Nordic... please pick up any white RI telephone.) Was there a rescue exercise or similar simulation going on elsewhere in the area, using actors, including actors in police garb?

Someone might want to scour the local actor forums for clues; someone who replied to the ad might have mentioned something about the gig.

As to the old phone number in the Craiglist ad—"where they hired the crew"—numbers get recycled all the time, with a period of retirement between uses. And a production co. might rent a landline for the period of days or weeks, then cancel it when the production is over. That makes sense, especially for casting calls; nobody would want their personal cell phone used for that, in SoCal especially I would think, if they didn't want a hundred wannabe actors calling and pestering them. So, I'm not sure the temporary phone number is "convincing." Don't get me wrong—that CL ad is a very good clue to note, and could lead to something more solid.

So for sure, there is worthwhile information in the video, but the case for his central claim—that the Christmas party was fake, populated by actors who played that part of the victims etc etc.—is neither convincing nor damning. The video presenter makes a huge deal out of the readily-available strap on the AR-15, as if it's a "gotcha!"

The evidence on both sides of the question needs to be solid, and the MSM evidence is unconvincing. For our part, let's do better than that.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stoneonstone » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:36 pm

"Seven days on, no other conclusion is possible for anyone who is still paying even the slightest attention. Not an ounce of serious evidence has been presented against them."


...that's why I said 'Lee Harvey Oswald meets The Four Lions'. Incredible. Our world is doomed.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:39 pm

MacCruiskeen » 10 Dec 2015 22:09 wrote:Syed Farook and his wife are innocent, they were framed and murdered while the killers escaped, and their graves are now being spat on by the planet's rulers and the fine gentlemen (and ladies) of the press, so that the War on Terror can continue to expand as it enters its fifteenth year.

Seven days on, no other conclusion is possible for anyone who is still paying even the slightest attention. Not an ounce of serious evidence has been presented against them.


But ... but ... they "discussed jihadi and martyrdom" online with each other. And he and his friend "planned" a deadly terrorist attack years ago, but got "cold feet" because the FBI had just been so effective in thwarting another group of like-minded terrorists. And his dad says he was angry with Israel and sympathetic to the creation of an Islamic state! And he, she, and her family were rumored to have gotten more religious recently! And he went out to shoot his guns at firing ranges! Several times! And she did as well, and they were so diabolical that nobody ever saw her! And they had all of these pipes that could have been turned into bombs, even one in the SUV that was not explosive! And he had pictures of a local high school that he had inspected on his cell phone! And his friend is a nerd who is into the "punk rock scene" and had a visa bride and had converted to Islam! And unnamed sources assure us that she made a FB post pledging her allegiance to ISIS under an alias account during the very shooting event!

Why don't all these "chilling details", breathlessly reported by every corporate media new outlet, convince you? Do you need to be re-educated?
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:52 pm

more hilarity: Encryption is to blame!

FBI investigators are finding that most of the online digital communications by terrorists Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik was encrypted. That makes the content almost impossible to retrieve.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:10 pm

If it's is helpful, here's 3+ hours of misc. coverage, lots of news video including continuous police scanner traffic and some person-in-the-street bites. (Obviously not "complete" as the title claims). Can't watch it all right now, but might contain clues etc.


RAW San Bernardino LA Shooting complete coverage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DL0YFKZ9eA
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:14 pm

I did not see a speck of blood on the two AR-15s which had supposedly been strapped to the suspects' bleeding, bullet-riddled bodies and afterward laid out for display at the scene.

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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:18 pm

stickdog99 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:39 pm wrote:
MacCruiskeen » 10 Dec 2015 22:09 wrote:Syed Farook and his wife are innocent, they were framed and murdered while the killers escaped, and their graves are now being spat on by the planet's rulers and the fine gentlemen (and ladies) of the press, so that the War on Terror can continue to expand as it enters its fifteenth year.

Seven days on, no other conclusion is possible for anyone who is still paying even the slightest attention. Not an ounce of serious evidence has been presented against them.


But ... but ... they "discussed jihadi and martyrdom" online with each other. And he and his friend "planned" a deadly terrorist attack years ago, but got "cold feet" because the FBI had just been so effective in thwarting another group of like-minded terrorists. ...


They got "cold feet"? No no no. I know you're a man who likes a laugh, Stickdog, so how could you forget the exact wording?

From the WaPo / AP in Washington:

The Latest: Investigators looking at 2012 attack plot

By Associated Press December 9 at 6:21 PM

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. — The latest on the shootings in San Bernardino, California (all times local):

3:06 p.m.

Two people familiar with the investigation into the San Bernardino, California, attack say investigators are looking at whether the husband accused in the shootings was planning an attack in 2012 but abandoned those plans.

The two spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

The shooting attack by 28-year-old Syed Farook and his wife, 29-year-old Tashfeen Malik, last week killed 14 people and left 21 injured. Former neighbor Enrique Marquez bought the two rifles used in the attack.

One of the two people, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation, says Marquez has told investigators that he and Farook planned an attack in the United States in 2012 but abandoned the idea. Marquez is a relative of Farook’s through marriage.

The official says it’s unclear what spooked them into cancelling the apparent plot.

— AP writers Tami Abdollah and Eric Tucker in Washington contributed this item.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html


Insinuate, insinuate, insinuate - that's how it works. Whatever you say, say nuthin' definite (nuthin' anyone might get sued for), very wordily. And no one is gonna tell me that those reporters and that editor, in Washington DC (!!), are not aware of the primary meaning of the word "spook" in 2015. (Unless they are all "veteran newsmen" in their nineties.)
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby OccultariSafari » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:31 pm

stickdog99 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:37 pm wrote:
Toward the end of the video, Bearcat vehicles approach the SUV and the announcer informs us that that there may be another suspect dead inside the SUV. Can anyone find the rest of this feed?


I do not have the video. I was watching live and the Bearcat (RRAWWRR!) slowly drove up to the side of the SUV. The military/police/secretsomethings were behind a huge shield attached to the Bearcat (RRAWWRR!). They used a weird "grabby arm" type of tool, through a small window in the shield, to start fishing shit out of the back seat. Including the lifeless body of that poor woman.

The news helicopter kept a meticulous angle throughout so as not to damage the TV viewers fragile psyche.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby divideandconquer » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:41 pm

Sorry if this has been reported but I thought it was interesting

Third Eyewitness To San Bernardino Shooting Says It Wasn’t ‘Terror Couple’ Who Carried Out Attack
"Several eyewitnesses and family of witnesses and victims initially said that three athletic Caucasian men had been responsible for carrying out the attacks. Police immediately banned them from speaking with the media."

"Now, a third prominent eye-witness, Chirs Nwadike, has stepped up to challenge the mainstream narrative. He recently told reporters he received a phone call from an unknown person around 7 p.m., on the evening of the shooting, who told him that he must say that Sayd Farook was the shooter."
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:43 pm

Thanks, OccultariSafari. Am I right in saying that no film footage of this alleged two-sided "shootout" was ever broadcast anywhere, either live or later on?

If it wasn't in fact a shootout, but a one-way slaughter of the couple by the cops, then there must be film somewhere that shows it. Presumably it's now in the FBI's "anti-terrorism" files, or in the FBI's incinerator.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:54 pm

divideandconquer » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:41 pm wrote:Sorry if this has been reported but I thought it was interesting

Third Eyewitness To San Bernardino Shooting Says It Wasn’t ‘Terror Couple’ Who Carried Out Attack
"Several eyewitnesses and family of witnesses and victims initially said that three athletic Caucasian men had been responsible for carrying out the attacks. Police immediately banned them from speaking with the media."

"Now, a third prominent eye-witness, Chirs Nwadike, has stepped up to challenge the mainstream narrative. He recently told reporters he received a phone call from an unknown person around 7 p.m., on the evening of the shooting, who told him that he must say that Sayd Farook was the shooter."


The website looks a bit dubious, but I'd urge everyone to take a close look & listen to this (59 secs long), from the LATImes:



Did you see how they EDITED that? Did you hear what those excuses-for-reporters failed to ask him?
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