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Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:08 am wrote:Equally important is the fact that we still don't know what this is and what global leadership was briefed on in the early months of the outbreak. We can infer a great deal, especially in light of the fact that existing guidelines and consensus science on respiratory outbreaks was chucked out of the window and major expert organizations had such a curiously difficult time nailing down the parameters of transmission.
Harvey » 07 Oct 2021 18:25 wrote:Any intelligent observer (factoring in the existence of Covid19 in populations throughout 2019 though minus any spike in excess deaths in that year) would conclude that everything done in the name of Health since early 2020 is precisely what has killed above average numbers of people between that period and now.
Elvis » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:08 pm wrote:I still wonder about Taiwan's apparent success in getting new cases down to between 1 and 7 per day (out of 23.5 million population). As I recollect, the spike in April was owing to a returning pilot who didn't disclose his outside contacts (official story). "Full vaccination" stands at just 15%, and anyway they seemed to have this thing down before vaccine rollout. It doesn't seem complicated to me, considering the comprehensive and decisive—and rather conventional—measures the Taiwan government took at the very outset.
New cases:
FWIW—vacccinations:
(Both images are Google screenshots from a search of the image titles)
I know, "they're an island," but so? The US government didn't even try. And why would they?
@ianmSC
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Singapore has 85% of its population at least partially vaccinated, exactly the number “expert” Peter Hotez says would get us past COVID. They also have one of the world’s longest mask mandates.
Doesn’t look like they’ve gotten past it, does it?
@ianmSC
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Oct 5
Over 76% of Australia’s total COVID cases have been reported since 11/5/20 when the Washington Post praised Australia for “following science” to near elimination
Yet somehow they’re still pretending the people who determine The Science™ have any idea what they’re doing
On 7/15 when Victoria mandated masks anytime outside the house, they were averaging 4 cases per day. Cases are up 33,025% since & they’re now averaging the equivalent of ~90,000 cases per day in the US
Even with the strictest enforcement in the world, masks still aren’t working!
Back on 7/17/20, the NY Times credited the Philippines with the highest rate of mask wearing in the world
They had reported 61,160 cases by that point — they’ve reported 2,409,015 since. ~98% of the total after world leading compliance
How are we still pretending masks matter?
Newly reported deaths in Hawaii have risen 1,740% in the past two months despite one of the longest mask mandates in the world & overwhelming compliance…
@nytimes
New Zealand is abandoning its "Covid zero" goal of eliminating the coronavirus. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern acknowledged an end to the strategy seven weeks into a lockdown that has failed to halt an outbreak of the Delta variant.
https://nyti.ms/3a6yU4U
@ianmSC
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Cases in New Zealand are rising again, which is bizarre because I was assured by fanatical New Zealand COVID twitter that their lockdown would eradicate COVID in a matter of days
@covid_clarity
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Over 200 million people have now been vaccinated in the US. 68% of adults are fully vaccinated and 78% have had at least one dose.
Yet covid cases and deaths are more than double what they were this same time last year.
@drdavidsamadi
Per a report from @Forbes, more Americans have died from Covid-19 so far in 2021 than in all of 2020.
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/nick-hudson-interview-covid-operation-battle-ideologies/
Nick Hudson Interview – The Covid Operation As A Battle Of Ideologies
Posted on October 7, 2021
Joining me today is Nick Hudson, Co-Founder & Chairman of PANDA (Pandemics ~ Data & Analytics), here to discuss COVID-19 from a statistical perspective, as well as the ongoing ideological battle within this country that COVID-19 has clearly exacerbated. This has given rise to a new arm of this extreme political divide.
Keep far from me the delusion that I can accomplish all things. Give me the strength, the will, and the opportunity to amplify my knowledge more and more. Today I can disclose things in my knowledge which yesterday I would not yet have dreamt of, for the Art is great, but the human mind presses on untiringly.
1. Focus on helping individuals take steps through lifestyle, supplementation, and diet which help strengthen overall immunity and prevent disease
2. “Listen to our patients”—they know their body better than us and let us partner with each individual to develop a plan together which will help protect them
3. Keep the medical office as a safe destination where all individuals feel cared for no matter what their individual beliefs and/or vaccination status
4. Gather our great scientific minds including frontline healthcare providers and encourage disclosure and discussion to help find a better solution
5. Look for outside examples, other countries, and learn from their successes and failures in formulating public policy
6. Most importantly, keep an “open mind” when looking for potential solutions
Belligerent Savant wrote:they're at 15% vaccination. U.S. is over 50%. What measures are you referring to? Can you spell them out?
Looking again at Taiwan, where new Covid cases are one per day. That's out of 23 million people.
What did Taiwan do that's different?
The Taiwan government:
- immediately took command of the necessary resources
- immediately banned export of PPE
- guaranteed to manufacturers the purchase of all PPE they could make
- tested people daily
- conducted unintrusive contact tracing
- imposed limited isolation
- provided quarantine facilities for infected persons
- encouraged use of facemasks, provided free.
The US did pretty much the opposite, sitting on its hands, letting the "free market" make book. In Taiwan they're playing baseball in crowded stadiums again.
Three Victorians MPs are set to be banned from Parliament next month for refusing to get vaccinated or produce evidence of their inoculation status.
Late on Thursday night, the state government circulated a motion to upper house members stating that, “in order to protect the health and safety of members and parliamentary staff”, MPs must have their first jab by October 22.
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The move would make Victoria the first state to block vaccine-hesitant MPs from voting on behalf of their constituents.
It would also strengthen the government’s position in the upper house, where it holds 17 of 40 seats and often relies on crossbenchers to pass legislation. If Mr Limbrick and Mr Quilty were excluded, the government would need two crossbench votes, rather than three, because 19 votes would secure a majority.
Mr Limbrick said the government was using the mandate to reduce the number of MPs likely to vote against an upcoming emergency powers bill that would give it the legal ability to enforce many public health rules.
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