Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:16 pm

Hariri Denies Newspaper Report that He Has Abandoned Tribunal

Prime Minister Saad Hariri on Wednesday denied a report published by Ad-Diyar newspaper that he has agreed to stop the Special Tribunal for Lebanon.

A statement issued by Hariri's office said the premier "finds the leaked reports do not show the truth."

"The Prime Minister did not say in front of visitors or in private meetings any of the statements attributed to him by Al-Diyar," his office said.

Ad-Diyar quoted Hariri visitors as saying that the prime minister has decided to "abandon" the international tribunal "for the best interest of Lebanon." Link
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby barracuda » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:15 pm

Aoun: Saudi-Syrian Initiative Ended with No Result, We've Reached Dead End

Free Patriotic Movement leader MP Michel Aoun on Tuesday announced that the Syrian-Saudi initiative to solve the Lebanese crisis "has reached a dead end."

"We thank the Saudi king and the Syrian president for the efforts they have exerted, although their initiative has ended with no results," Aoun said after chairing the weekly meeting of the Change and Reform parliamentary bloc.

"The Hariri-led camp didn't respond to these efforts, that's why we've reached a dead end," he added.

"But we will not give up in the face of the dead end."

Aoun said that the Hizbullah-led Opposition "has always been positive regarding any inter-Lebanese solution."

"We gave the Arab initiative enough time … we will start an inter-Lebanese initiative," the FPM leader announced.

He added that as he was holding his press conference, an Opposition delegation was meeting with President Michel Suleiman at the Baabda Palace to discuss "certain suggestions which we hope they will find their way to success and represent a new exit from the crisis."

"Opposition ministers will also meet this evening, and we are searching for a new exit with Suleiman and we will declare the result that we will reach. There was a telephone call between Saudi Arabia and (Syrian President Bashar) al-Assad, and after it he informed us that this issue has ended without results," Aoun noted.

He called on the Lebanese government to meet "so that we can decide together."

"We have ideas that we want to propose in a cabinet session and we will try reaching an inter-Lebanese solution," Aoun added.

"In the end, failure is a Lebanese matter, it is not Saudi, Syrian or American, and we bear the full responsibility, that's why I've been always saying 'let us seek a Lebanese solution.''

He clarified that the March 8 camp had backed the Syrian-Saudi initiative because it could not be "against a lauded endeavor that wants to help."

"But those behind the initiative have told us to shoulder our responsibilities, as Lebanese, to achieve a solution."

"I'm not announcing the end of the 'S-S' initiative out of a personal desire, some officials have been officially informed of that," Aoun stressed.

These statements come after the prime minister, and son of the slain ex-premier, held talks in New York with Saudi King Abdullah, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon over the political situation in Lebanon.

For months Lebanon has been at a political impasse over reports the U.N.-backed Special Tribunal for Lebanon (STL) is set to indict Hizbullah members in connection with the 2005 assassination of Rafik Hariri.

Hizbullah, which is backed by Syria and Iran, has warned it would not accept such an outcome and accuses The Hague-based STL of being part of a U.S.-Israeli plot.

The group has been pressuring Saudi- and Western-backed Saad Hariri to disavow the tribunal and has warned that Lebanon could be plunged into a full-blown crisis should any of its members be implicated by the STL.
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:49 am

Lebanon's government falls as Hezbollah pulls out

BEIRUT -- Lebanon's national unity government has collapsed after Hezbollah ministers and their allies resigned over a U.N.-backed tribunal investigating the assassination of Former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.

The state-run National News Agency announced Wednesday that 11 ministers were stepping down from the 30-member Cabinet headed by Western-backed Saad Hariri, the slain prime minister's son.

Hezbollah needed the backing of more than a third of the ministers to bring down the government.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

BEIRUT (AP) - A Lebanese official says Hezbollah ministers and their allies have resigned from the Cabinet, bringing the government to the brink of collapse.

Energy Minister Jibran Bassil told a news conference Wednesday that 10 ministers are pulling out. They need just one more minister to resign in order to force the government to fall and an 11th minister could resign later in the day.

The ministers are stepping down from the 30-member Cabinet over tensions stemming from a U.N.-backed tribunal investigating the assassination of a Former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.

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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby barracuda » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:56 pm

Lebanese government collapses
Government falls after Hezbollah and allies withdraw from coalition in row over UN probe into murder of Rafiq al-Hariri.

Lebanon's unity government has collapsed after the Hezbollah movement and its political allies resigned from the cabinet over arguments stemming from a UN probe into the assassination of Rafiq al-Hariri, the former Lebanese prime minister, in 2005.

There has been growing political tension in Lebanon, amid signs that Hezbollah members could be indicted by the UN-backed Special Tribunal for Lebanon (STL).

Ten ministers tendered their resignations on Wednesday after reports that al-Hariri's son Saad, the prime minister, had refused their call to convene a cabinet meeting to discuss the investigation by the STL.

An eleventh member, Adnan Sayyed Hussein later, stood down, automatically bringing down al-Hariri's government.

Meeting request

The request to convene the cabinet meeting came on Tuesday after Syria and Saudi Arabia, who have for months been attempting to act as mediators in Lebanon's political crisis, announced their efforts had failed.

The resignations, which were announced by Jubran Bassil, the energy minister, came as al-Hariri was in Washington meeting Barack Obama, the US president.

Bassil called on Michel Suleiman, the Lebanese president, to form a new government.

Hezbollah, which has denied any role in the assassination, has denounced the tribunal as an "Israeli project'' and urged al-Hariri to reject any findings by the court, which has not yet announced its decisions.

But al-Hariri has refused to break co-operation with the tribunal.

"Saad Hariri was on the brink of making a major concession as concerns the tribunal but occult forces prevented him from doing so," Walid Jumblatt, the Druze leader, told the AFP news agency without elaborating.

Al Jazeera's Rula Amin, in Beirut, said that the opposition minsiters said that they resigned because the prime minister will not engage them and respond to efforts to reach an understanding on a number of issues.

"What the ministers are syaing its that they resigned to protest Saad Hariri's stand not to find a settlement or deal on how to deal with the ramifications of the tribunal.

"Hezbollah are saying that this tribunal has been politicised and used by the US and Israel to descredit Hezbollah, that they have nothing to do with the death of Rafiq Hariri and they want Saad Hariri to come out and delegitimise its findings and end Lebanon's cooperation with the tribunal."

Saad Hariri's assosiates have said that he wo not succumb to pressure and will call for a cabinet meeting when he finds it appropriate.

The standoff between al-Hariri's camp and Hezbollah over the UN tribunal has paralysed the government for months and sparked concerns of sectarian violence similar to the one that brought the country close to civil war in May 2008.
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby norton ash » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:11 pm

"Saad Hariri was on the brink of making a major concession as concerns the tribunal but occult forces prevented him from doing so," Walid Jumblatt, the Druze leader, told the AFP news agency without elaborating.


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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby barracuda » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:22 pm

Jumblatt is a somewhat colorful individual.

It seems Hezbollah has symbolically timed their walkout to coincide with Saad Hariri's meeting with Obama, almost to the minute, likely because that meeting in and of itself was a "reward" for Hariri's cooperation with the Americans regarding the STL, and a signal that Hariri would not be distancing himself or March 14 from the tribunal.

US considers military option against Hezbollah

The United States would potentially intervene militarily in Lebanon if Hezbollah resorts to violent measures when challenging the International Tribunal's indictment, due to be issued in the next few weeks, an Israeli news website claimed.

Israeli and American military officials told Tid Debkka, an Israeli website specialising in intelligence-related news, that the Obama administration have given the Pentagon orders to further strengthen the US military presence near the Lebanese coast.

The sources added that intensive reinforcements will be arriving to the Mediterranean Sea near Lebanon tomorrow. Among these, will be included the “USS Enterprise”, a US aircraft carrier, along with the Enterprise Carrier Strike Group which is composed of 5 ships and 6,000 troops.

“The US, by intensifying its presence in the Mediterranean Sea near Lebanon, is sending a clear message to Iran and Hezbollah that Washington will not hesitate to use force to defend the Lebanese government” the source added.

He also stated that the US, France, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon have agreed to a new set of measures to face the consequences of an International Tribunal indictment which might implicate senior members in Hezbollah of being involved in the assassination of ex-premier Rafiq Al-Hariri.
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby barracuda » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:08 pm

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-off ... ri-lebanon

Readout of the President's Meeting with Prime Minister Hariri of Lebanon

President Obama met today with Prime Minister Saad Hariri of Lebanon. The President commended the Prime Minister for his steadfast leadership and efforts to reach peace, stability, and consensus in Lebanon under difficult circumstances. The efforts by the Hizballah-led coalition to collapse the Lebanese government only demonstrate their own fear and determination to block the government’s ability to conduct its business and advance the aspirations of all of the Lebanese people. The President and Prime Minister reaffirmed their commitment to strengthening Lebanon’s sovereignty and independence, implementing all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions, and continuing a wide-ranging and long-term partnership between the United States and Lebanon.

During their meeting, the President stressed the importance of the work of the Special Tribunal for Lebanon as a means to help end the era of political assassinations with impunity in Lebanon. The President and Prime Minister specifically discussed united efforts with France, Saudi Arabia, and other key international and regional actors to maintain calm in Lebanon and ensure that the work of the Tribunal continues unimpeded by third parties. The President and Prime Minister expressed their determination to achieve both stability and justice in Lebanon during this challenging period of government volatility, and agreed that all parties should avoid threats or actions that could cause instability.
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby barracuda » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:19 pm

Robert Fisk: Lebanon in limbo: a nation haunted by the murder of Rafiq Hariri

Targeting Hezbollah could create a new crisis

Soldiers, soldiers everywhere. In the valleys, on the mountains, in the streets of Beirut. I have never seen so many soldiers. Are they going to "liberate" Jerusalem? Or are they going to destroy all the Arab dictatorships?

They are supposed to stop the country of Lebanon from sliding into a civil war, I suppose. Hezbollah, we are told, has destroyed the government – which is true up to a point. For on Monday, so we are told, the Hague tribunal of the United Nations will tell us that members of Hezbollah killed the former prime minister, Rafiq Hariri.

America demands that the tribunal name the guilty men. So does France. And so, of course, does Britain. Which is strange, because in 2005, when Mr Hariri was killed 366 metres from me on the Beirut Corniche, we all believed that the Syrians had killed him. Not the President, mind you. Not Bashar Assad, but the security services of the Syrian Baath party. That's what I believed then. That's what I still believe. But we are told now that it will be Hezbollah, Syria's friend and Iran's militia (albeit Lebanese) in Lebanon. And now America and Britain are beating the drum of litigation.

Hezbollah must be blamed and of course, the Prime Minister – or, to be correct, the former prime minister of Lebanon Saad Hariri, son of Rafiq – has just lost his job.

There are many who believe that Lebanon will now descend into a civil war, similar to the fratricidal conflict which it endured from 1976 to 1980. I doubt it. A new generation of Lebanese, educated abroad – in Paris, in London, in America – have returned to their country and, I suspect, will not tolerate the bloodshed of their fathers and grandfathers.

In theory, Lebanon no longer has a government, and the elections which were fairly held and which gave Saad Hariri his cabinet are no more. President Michel Suleiman will begin formal talks on Monday to try to create a new government.

But what does Hezbollah want? Is it so fearful of the Hague tribunal that it needs to destroy this country? The problem with Lebanon is perfectly simple, even if the Western powers prefer to ignore it. It is a confessional state. It was created by the French, the French mandate after the First World War. The problem is that to become a modern state it must de-confessionalise. But Lebanon cannot do so. Its identity is sectarianism and that is its tragedy. And it has, President Sarkozy please note, a French beginning point.

The Shias of Lebanon, of which Hezbollah is the leading party, are perhaps 40 per cent of the population. The Christians are a minority. If Lebanon has a future, it will be in due course be a Shia Muslim country. We may not like this; the West may not like this. But that is the truth. Yet Hezbollah does not want to run Lebanon. Over and over again, it has said it does not want an Islamic republic. And most Lebanese accept this.

But Hezbollah has made many mistakes. Its leader, Hassan Nasrallah, talks on television as if he is the President. He would like another war with Israel, ending in the "divine victory" which he claims his last war, in 2006, ended in. I fear the Israelis would like another war too. The Lebanese would prefer not to have one. But they are being pushed further and further into another war which Lebanon's supposed Western friends seem to want. The Americans and the British would like to hurt Iran. And that is why they would like Hezbollah to be blamed for Mr Hariri's murder – and for the downfall of the Lebanese government.

And it is perfectly true that Hezbollah does want this government to fall. By getting rid of this government, getting rid of this cabinet, it has broken the rules of the Doha agreement, which stated that the government and security services of Lebanon should not be harmed.

It is effectively wiping out the Arab "solution" to the Lebanese sectarian conundrum, and what – with the help of its Christian allies – is turning Lebanon into a frightened state. No wonder there were no drivers on the roads yesterday. No wonder the Lebanese were so frightened to go out and enjoy the Mediterranean sun. We are all frightened.

But I think the Lebanese state has grown up. I noticed, yesterday, that the Christian leader of the Lebanese Forces, one of the Christian militias, Samir Geagea, had a new photograph on the front of his party offices in a mountain town. But he was wearing civilian clothes. He was wearing a suit and tie. Not the militia costume he use to wear. That was a good sign.

No civil war in Lebanon.
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby barracuda » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:34 pm

Elias Muhanna - No Victors in Lebanon

...the Party of God will be hard-pressed to overturn the political architecture in Beirut. To elect a friendly premier, Hezbollah will need the help of Druze chieftain Walid Jumblatt's bloc of 11 MPs. However, it is unlikely that Jumblatt -- a former staunch ally of Hariri's who has since forged his own path as an intermediary between Lebanon's two main political camps -- would participate in such a move. Hoping to maintain his renewed relations with Damascus but not burn bridges with Hariri, Jumblatt will likely wait to see how the two blocs position themselves over the next several days before involving himself in mediations.



Shibley Telhami - Hezbollah's Power Play

With all the risks for everyone involved, Hezbollah has retained the upper hand, even as the assassination of the former Lebanese prime minister is under review at a UN tribunal. The demographics inside Lebanon are on the side of its Shia base. The internal distribution of power is also decidedly in its favor. Politically, Hezbollah managed to assert itself in both the previous ruling coalition and the current March 14 coalition by exercising its military superiority in the confrontations of 2008. Its leader, Hassan Nasrallah continues to be among the most popular in the Arab world—with his opponents looking weaker by the day through the continuous revelations coming out of WikiLeaks. Expected new releases about the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah conflict are likely to play into Hezbollah’s hands in the war over Arab public opinion as well.


As'ad AbuKhalil - Crisis in Lebanon

Obama played a big role: Through his assistant secretary of state for Near East, Jeffrey Feltman, who has had years of experience in controlling [the] coalition in cooperation with Saudi Arabia and Israel. It is not a coincidence that Hariri did not get the stomach to reject the compromise deal until he arrived in the U.S.

The Saudi government is the sponsor of Hariri, and he, or his father, never acted in opposition to House of Saud. In fact, his father broke, privately but not publicly, with Syria only when a rift occurred between Syria and Saudi Arabia. The Saudi royal family is now undergoing changes, and conflicts over succession are raging, and the return of Prince Bandar indicates that the anti-Syrian princes are gaining the upper hand.

The opposition casts doubts on the entire Hariri tribunal and accuses the U.S. and Israel of manipulating the investigation and the impending indictment. Public opinion surveys in Lebanon indicate that the tribunal is losing support among the public, especially as the target of investigation has been switched a few times.
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:59 am

Hariri murder inquiry set to lay charges
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January 17, 2011
AN INTERNATIONAL tribunal investigating the assassination of the former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri in 2005 is expected to submit a draft indictment for judicial review at The Hague today.

With several senior members of the Lebanese Shiite movement Hezbollah likely to face charges over the murder, the pre-trial judge, Daniel Fransen, may take up to 10 weeks to review the charges before arrest warrants can be issued.

Judge Fransen could also reject the charges, or request additional information from prosecutors.

A tribunal spokesman, Crispin Thorold, told Agence France-Presse: ''We will say it has been done the day it has been done; we won't announce when this is going to take place.''

The work of the special tribunal, which was established by the United Nations in 2007 to find those responsible for Mr Hariri's murder, last week prompted the collapse of Lebanon's government of national unity after Hezbollah and its allies withdrew from the cabinet in protest.

The Prime Minister, Saad Hariri, the son of Rafik Hariri, who enjoys support from the West and Saudi Arabia, wants the tribunal to carry on its work. But the Iranian-and Syrian-backed Hezbollah wants Lebanon to withdraw support for it.

The group has dismissed the tribunal as a US-Israeli plot, and has warned of violent repercussions should anyone inside Lebanon accuse its members of being involved in Mr Hariri's murder.

Last November Hezbollah's secretary-general, Hassan Nasrallah, said his movement would ''cut off the hand'' of anyone who tried to arrest any of its members for Mr Hariri's killing.

Talks between key Lebanese leaders are expected to begin today to try form a new government. While Mr Hariri's March 14 coalition enjoys a majority in Lebanon's 128-member parliament, any attempt to form a government without Hezbollah would probably lead to a return to the street violence similar to that of May 2008, when about 80 people were killed.

Alternatively, if Hezbollah tried to form a government without Mr Hariri, it risks alienating the wider Sunni population and could also provoke a sustained civil conflict.

One option being widely canvassed inside Lebanon would lead to Mr Hariri and Hezbollah agreeing on a ''neutral'' prime minister who could oversee procedures for Lebanon to withdraw its support for the tribunal.

Such a scenario would be seen as the ultimate compromise, which would secure Lebanon's stability without fatally undermining Mr Hariri's political base.

The caretaker Labour Minister, Boutros Harb, was quoted by Lebanese media reports yesterday, saying that the President, Michel Suleiman,was ''committed to conducting consultations with parliamentarians on naming a new prime minister in an atmosphere of calm'' and ''that would enhance accord in Lebanon''.


Galloway unedited: 'Special Tribunal for Lebanon' should have asked 'who benefited?'
BY DAVID J. CLIMENHAGA | JANUARY 16, 2011

We have been informed by the media that the "Special Tribunal for Lebanon" investigating the 2005 assassination of the Lebanese politician Rafik Hariri is expected to recommend indictments as early as tomorrow.
Much is made in the Canadian media of the fact that the tribunal, which by all accounts seems to have made up its mind long ago that the Lebanese political and paramilitary movement Hezbollah was responsible for the assassination, is a "UN-appointed" body, as if that guaranteed neutrality in the complicated and confusing Lebanese situation.
The thrust of the very limited Canadian news coverage on this subject seems to be designed to persuade uninformed and partially informed readers that Hezbollah was indeed responsible for the assassination, as is claimed regularly by Israeli and U.S. officials. For example, the November leak by tribunal insiders to the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. was meant to explicitly reinforce this perception.
The majority of Canadians who do read this coverage, one suspects, skim over it and assume it is of little relevance to Canada, perhaps feeling a vague sense of pride at the fact the tribunal's chief prosecutor is a Canadian.
Given what we are able to read, while the names on the indictments are to be kept a secret, it is reasonable to assume that if indictments proceed tomorrow as reported they will be directed at Hezbollah.
Moreover, it is not that hard based on a reading of the limited facts known about this situation to conclude that a key goal of the tribunal -- whose efforts are being encouraged by the Americans and Israelis with significant Canadian input -- is to assist in the neutralizing of Hezbollah's very effective fighting wing.
Indeed, according to such authorities on the region as Robert Fisk of the Independent newspaper, Hezbollah for all intents and purposes defeated the technologically superior and better armed Israeli armed forces during their 2006 invasion of Lebanon. Writing in Asia Times in October 2006, Alastair Crooke and Mark Perry argued, contrary to the story "retailed by White House and Israeli officials" of an Israeli military success, that "Hezbollah scored a decisive and complete victory in its war with Israel."
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby barracuda » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:24 pm

A couple of things regarding this story from the Sydney Media...

With several senior members of the Lebanese Shiite movement Hezbollah likely to face charges over the murder, the pre-trial judge, Daniel Fransen, may take up to 10 weeks to review the charges before arrest warrants can be issued.

Judge Fransen could also reject the charges, or request additional information from prosecutors.

A tribunal spokesman, Crispin Thorold, told Agence France-Presse: ''We will say it has been done the day it has been done; we won't announce when this is going to take place.''


It's unclear if we are really going to hear who is under indictment, or if this is another step in the process. But judging from Nasrallah's timing of the speech he'll be giving tonight, perhaps we will.

The work of the special tribunal, which was established by the United Nations in 2007 to find those responsible for Mr Hariri's murder, last week prompted the collapse of Lebanon's government of national unity after Hezbollah and its allies withdrew from the cabinet in protest.

The Prime Minister, Saad Hariri, the son of Rafik Hariri, who enjoys support from the West and Saudi Arabia, wants the tribunal to carry on its work. But the Iranian-and Syrian-backed Hezbollah wants Lebanon to withdraw support for it.


It's a bit of a misnomer to refer to Saad as the Prime Minister at this point. Prime Minister of what? There's currently no government in Lebanon, and the odds of Suleiman reappointing Hariri after the release of the al-Siddiq tapes seems to be growing more and more remote.

The group has dismissed the tribunal as a US-Israeli plot, and has warned of violent repercussions should anyone inside Lebanon accuse its members of being involved in Mr Hariri's murder.

Last November Hezbollah's secretary-general, Hassan Nasrallah, said his movement would ''cut off the hand'' of anyone who tried to arrest any of its members for Mr Hariri's killing.


Why don't they just come out and say it - Hezbollah has accused Israel of Hariri's assassination.

Talks between key Lebanese leaders are expected to begin today to try form a new government. While Mr Hariri's March 14 coalition enjoys a majority in Lebanon's 128-member parliament, any attempt to form a government without Hezbollah would probably lead to a return to the street violence similar to that of May 2008, when about 80 people were killed.

Alternatively, if Hezbollah tried to form a government without Mr Hariri, it risks alienating the wider Sunni population and could also provoke a sustained civil conflict.


The terms of Lebanon's confessional government arrangement require that all sects be granted specific allocations within the parliment, in accordance with the terms of the Taif and Doha agreements, and the subsequent elections of and agreements with Hezbollah, though it seems that Hezbollah's walk-out nullifies the terms of Doha.

One option being widely canvassed inside Lebanon would lead to Mr Hariri and Hezbollah agreeing on a ''neutral'' prime minister who could oversee procedures for Lebanon to withdraw its support for the tribunal.

Such a scenario would be seen as the ultimate compromise, which would secure Lebanon's stability without fatally undermining Mr Hariri's political base.


"Canvassed" is a funny word to use - I understood that Hezbollah had publicly insisted upon this, though the odds of finding a Sunni who will fit the bill here seems small. It also means that Hariri will no longer be Prime Minister, so I wouldn't worry too much about his "base", unless you mean his Saudi base.
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby barracuda » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:30 pm

Nasrallah has spoken, and he was unusually brief, speaking for only an hour. Here's a translation from NOW Lebanon, and the following is a summary from Qifa Nabki:

    8:30 PM: Nasrallah begins speech by discussion the Syrian-Saudi initiative.

    8:35: It was clear from the beginning that indictments were not going to be canceled. This was out of Saudi hands. It was in American and Israeli hands. What we were negotiating over was: (1) Postponing the emergence of the indictment; (2) Finding a way to preserve Lebanon from any strife resulting from the indictments.

    8:37: How could we preserve Lebanon from problems? The government could: (a) withdraw the Lebanese judges from the STL; (b) stop Lebanese financing of the STL; (c) canceling the cooperation agreement between the Lebanese government and the STL. These three things would not abolish the STL! Far from it. Withdrawing judges, stopping funding, and ending official cooperation would not stop the STL. This was the basis of the agreement. And the other side had demands for our side as well that we were negotiating about.

    8:40: The atmosphere was very positive. Then the Saudi king got sick and went to America, and the negotiations slowed down.

    8:41: Then Saad al-Hariri said that he was waiting for the other side to take its steps. This was read as a positive development because it acknowledged the presence of an agreement about how to solve the crisis.

    8:43: Then, without any forewarning, the Saudi side got in touch with the Syrian side and said that the deal was off. This was after Saad al-Hariri’s meeting with the Americans. This was when we decided to withdraw the government.

    8:45: It is clear that the Americans and Israelis were opposed to the Syrian-Saudi initiative, from the beginning. They let it go for a while because they were betting that the two sides would not get to a solution. When they saw that it was actually leading to a solution, they came in to disrupt it. Can you give me another explanation?

    8:47: Saad Hariri said that the initiative succeeded but that some parties in Lebanon did not fulfill their obligations. This is wrong. But let me go along with him for a bit. Let’s say this is true. Since there was a strong possibility that this initiative would succeed, why would he go to America and accept to be told that the deal was off?

    8:49: What happened to sovereignty and independence and freedom? When America says no, then everything stops?

    8:50: I will not reveal what Hariri’s side was asking from us. But one day, if someone else does reveal this, then the Lebanese will have to judge whether or not his demands were really in the national interest. Some of the things that they were requesting may have been in the national interest. But others were purely in the political interest of Hariri’s party.

    8:52: The false witnesses were responsible for destroying the Lebanese-Syrian relationship and led to the worst sectarian atmosphere. They were responsible for the political climate that led to parliamentary election results.

    8:54: One of the things that was being requested from us as part of the S-S initiative was closing the file on the false witnesses. You (i.e. Hariri’s people) should have been the most interested in discovering the truth about the false witnesses and prosecuting them. And yet, you wanted them to be part of the negotiated settlement.

    8:55: Now we are starting to understand why the country ground to a halt in order to prevent a vote on the false witness issue.

    8:56: What is comical is that some people in Lebanon are saying that the Al-Jadid recording was fabricated. These are the same people who refuse the idea that the STL’s evidence is fabricated.

    8:57: Future TV has promised to publish the entire recording, since Al-Jadid’s recording was apparently taken out of context. How is that you have this secret recording? Where did you get it? It’s supposed to be secret.

    9:00: We’ve been asking where the $11 billion disappeared to. When we ask about this, they start talking about how this is raising sectarian strife, etc.

    9:02: This government has left this country vulnerable. This government is completely powerless before the decisions of the STL.

    9:04: In view of this situation, we had to resign from this powerless government.

    9:05: We did not bring down the government in the streets, and we did not demonstrate, nor did we use any weapons. We came in a very democratic way and said: here is our resignation. And what happened? America, and France, and various Arab countries were up in arms, and released statements, and applied pressure, and protested. What does this tell you?

    9:07: We are not afraid of their armies or their navies or their airplanes, so how could we be afraid of their press releases? We acted in a democratic way, and yet all of the world’s capitals came to criticize us for this democratic action. What does this tell you? It tells you that the world does not want anyone in Lebanon to criticize or oppose [March 14].

    9:09: The opposition is united in its determination in not naming Saad Hariri as prime minister. I will not reveal who our choice is tonight. In this domestic issue, why is the world getting involved? Why is Hillary Clinton making phone calls?

    9:11: This is supposed to be a democratic process. Let the parliament vote on its choice. Why should it come under pressure from various corners of the world? Is this democracy?

    9:12: Imagine that the American ambassador went today to visit Nicola Fattoush in Zahleh. Does she really care about what Zahleh wants? No, she visited him because he’s working on the issue of the next prime minister.

    9:14: The STL was called upon to hasten its release of the indictments. They moved to release them on Monday so that it would happen before the next prime minister was nominated.

    9:16: What’s next? I want to be very clear and honest. Tomorrow or the day after, there will be two tracks taking place at the same time. One is the track that will lead to the nomination of a new prime minister. The second is the track that will lead Bellemare to present his indictments to pre-trial judge Fransen.

    9:17: These two tracks are independent. On the first track: we consider this to be a democratic, constitutional track. We demanded it. We resigned and requested that consultations would lead to a new government. All of the political blocs have a responsibility, a historic responsibility, over the next couple of days. What kind of government do they want to present to the Lebanese people? I leave all of these individuals to their conscience.

    9:19: We lived the experience of this government and the previous one. This was a new experience for us, because we had not participated in governments before. I would like it to be clear that whatever government is formed, that government has to assume its responsibilities. From now on, we will not accept any government to be silent on the question of false witnesses. Any government that protects the false witnesses, especially if it is composed of those who fabricated the false witnesses, we will not be silent about it. Any government that protects financial corruption, we will not be silent about it. Any government that does not assume its responsibilities in a serious way, we will not be silent about it. Any government that conspires against the Resistance, we will not be silent about it.

    9:23: We hope that the Lebanese form a government with the priorities of the people. I’d like to say that what happened in Tunisia over the past couple of days should be a lesson to us. What is the lesson? The lesson is that the Tunisian regime always had relations with France, America, and even secret channels to Israel. What happened to him? Those government would not even let his plane land in their capitals. This is the lesson.

    9:25: We as Lebanese can sit down and solve our problems. But the other side does not want us to solve our problems as Lebanese. It wants the intervention of other countries.

    9:26: Finally, with respect to the indictments. We’ve described it as an American-Israeli tribunal, based on facts. We are going to defend our own dignity and presence. This second track is completely independent from the first track. We will not accept our reputation or our dignity to be touched by this tribunal or even by any accusation. My conviction is that the Israelis assassinated Rafiq al-Hariri. George Bush was a crazy man; now they’re saying that the current guy [i.e. Obama] is a bit better.

    9:30: The consultations may indeed lead to the re-nomination of Prime Minister Hariri. That’s fine, but it will still be a new era.

    9:31: End of broadcast.

Nasrallah doesn't seem particularly conciliatory. (Why should he?) And he's complaining about foreign intervention? Well, okay. But it sounds as if March 8 won't accept Saad Hariri as PM, or, of course, accept the indictments in any fashion. Nothing very new here, just shoring up his supporters for any announcements tomorrow, and letting Jumblat know that he'd had better get figure out his factional sympathies.

Nasrallah seems to be in the enviable position of simply being a whole lot smarter than anyone else on the playing field.
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:52 am

8:50: I will not reveal what Hariri’s side was asking from us. But one day, if someone else does reveal this, then the Lebanese will have to judge whether or not his demands were really in the national interest. Some of the things that they were requesting may have been in the national interest. But others were purely in the political interest of Hariri’s party.


Actually, this is not right. He also specifically alluded to demands by the Hariri camp that would serve "private" interests of individuals. He said something like (not an exact quote), "if the conditions of the Hariri camp were made public, then the Lebanese people would know just what kind of people have been leading their government." (I taped the speech and will get the exact quote later). FWIW, I remember reading a purported list of the Hariri camp's conditions and found it disgustingly greedy and corrupt and self-serving; I'd even call it treasonous. On the other hand, I can neither vouch for its accuracy nor recall where I read it. When I find it again, I'll post it: IF it's accurate, it's an eye-opener. (On the other other hand, if it's all above-board, why is the Hariri camp refusing to divulge what its demands were?)

However, Nasrallah did state that one of the Hariri camp's demands was for the "false witnesses" issue to be buried, which certainly confirms the revelations of the Jadeed tape showing Hariri, STL investigator Lehmann, Hariri's right-hand man Wissam al-Hassan and the perjurer and convicted con-artist Zuheir al-Siddiq basically cooking up al-Siddiq's testimony. I don't care what the Qifa Nabki blogger says; Wissam al-Hassan introduced al-Siddiq to Lehmann, Hariri gave al-Siddiq what amounted to a shopping list of what he wanted from al-Siddiq and the latter was talking like a salesman trying to prove to a fat-cat customer that he can provide the goods, all of this with Lehmann as a spectator, relying on the occasional translation from Wissam al-Hassan. This alone, even without the mountains of other stuff, proves how compromised the STL is, and how unscrupulous and biased its so-called "investigation" has been.

Another important omission by Qifa Nabki is when Nasrallah firmly said, "We will never allow anybody to falsely smear us with the blood of Rafik al-Hariri, even in the form of an indictment. We will never allow it." Funny how so many translations and reports about the speech in certain media have seen fit to leave that out.
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby barracuda » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:36 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:Another important omission by Qifa Nabki is when Nasrallah firmly said, "We will never allow anybody to falsely smear us with the blood of Rafik al-Hariri, even in the form of an indictment. We will never allow it." Funny how so many translations and reports about the speech in certain media have seen fit to leave that out.


So far, I don't see how Hezbollah is going to avoid being so smeared, regardless of the incessant threats implied by Nasrallah. It's completely inevitable. It's sounding as if at the very least the STL has decided to name Mughnieh, but we'll see. Maybe if they only indict dead people, the whole thing'll blow over. Ha.

Saad Hariri looks completely out of his league being willingly manipulated by Wissan al-Hassan and al-Siddiq. But I thought the STL had been disconvinced of the legitimacy of the false witnesses for some time now.

Anyway, the Syrians have decided to postpone the parliamentary consultations for another week.

At this point, I have to say, none of the latest information or machinations have changed my opinion about who killed Rafik Hariri, all the while my cynicism grows regarding all parties concerned. Maybe I'm turning a little Lebanese.
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Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:56 pm

From your link:

An Nahar daily on Monday quoted political and parliamentary sources as saying that efforts to postpone the binding consultations lasted way after midnight after Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah announced that his party and its allies would not nominate Caretaker PM Saad Hariri for the premiership.

Other political sources told Pan-Arab daily Asharq al-Awsat that Suleiman would postpone his meetings with parliamentary blocs pending the announcement of the Syrian-Turkish-Qatari summit's results.

A March 14 official told the newspaper that Speaker Nabih Berri and Progressive Socialist Party leader Walid Jumblat suggested to Suleiman on Sunday night to postpone the consultations.

"Their suggestion came after a request from the Syrian leadership," the source said.


Smells like bullshit. If anybody needs to postpone the nomination, it's certainly not the opposition, but March 14. The opposition has a list of several candidates it would find acceptable, but the March 14 leadership takes its orders directly from its US master, and the Americans have made it very clear that they want Saad Hariri and only him. Since the opposition has categorically said that it will absolutely reject Hariri's nomination, that puts March 14 between a rock and a hard place.

Hence the need to postpone. How typical that they'd use an anonymous "source" to blame the delay on the opposition.
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